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By report from the Reddit leaker, yes.

Sterling191 wrote:
By report from the Reddit leaker, yes.

Jesus, GW. You wrote it the correct way with Lychguard. Dataslate that gak and stop screwing it up.

Is anyone surprised?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Is anyone surprised?

It's almost like having some kind of system of universal rules which can be referenced by multiple documents would be a good thing to avoid these kinds of situations as everyone would have the same rules text.

Voss wrote:

S3 becomes 2, and now wounds on a 6+, but who was shooting you with lasguns and autoguns anyway?

*cough* IG *cough* GSC *cough* Chaos humans. Tyranids, Demons and Admech also have lots of S3 on their troops and light infantry, but hey, reducing effectiveness of 6 whole armies by 50% is no big deal, eh?

You're shooting those at... battlesuits? Not, say... firewarriors? Or drones? Or...

I'm actually looking at a battlesuit centric list that uses suits for controlling objectives thanks to the other tenent that makes battlesuits count as 3/5 models. Having limited troops, mostly kroot to run skirmishing.

It looks like drones are now integrated back into the unit, so there's no separate targeting.

This makes it so the primary targets for infantry are going to be battlesuits, which are going to be able to shrug of shots a lot better. For stealthsuits, in addition to being hard to hit, it means that bolters are now going to be wounding on 5s, and lasguns are going to be wounding on 6s. Having them equipped with the beefed up burst cannons, they look like they could act as good infantry mulchers while getting Crisis suits into the right place.

You can still take separate units of drones as well, it's just that drones bought as wargear are back to being a part of the unit that bought them.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
You can still take separate units of drones as well, it's just that drones bought as wargear are back to being a part of the unit that bought them.

That's fair, but a bit of a wasted slot with the buff to Pathfinder markerlights. Depending if the Y'vahra gets moved, it could also be a good option as a fast attack slot to also make use of the defense boost for battlesuits, though I'm expecting to see heavier weapons used against the Riptide frames.

Piranhas also benefit from this, having basically the same benefit as Crisis suits. Normally you can take them down with medium to small arms fire, but with the tenent they require more focus fire to take down, further dividing your opponent's targeting.

The goal is to make it so your opponent has to make tough choices where their heavy weapons go, shooting at vehicles and heavy battlesuits, or direct them to the "infantry" battlesuits where they hit at full strength, but the limited shots are not as effective.

 Nilok wrote:

Voss wrote:

S3 becomes 2, and now wounds on a 6+, but who was shooting you with lasguns and autoguns anyway?

*cough* IG *cough* GSC *cough* Chaos humans. Tyranids, Demons and Admech also have lots of S3 on their troops and light infantry, but hey, reducing effectiveness of 6 whole armies by 50% is no big deal, eh?

You're shooting those at... battlesuits? Not, say... firewarriors? Or drones? Or...

I'm actually looking at a battlesuit centric list that uses suits for controlling objectives thanks to the other tenent that makes battlesuits count as 3/5 models. Having limited troops, mostly kroot to run skirmishing.

It looks like drones are now integrated back into the unit, so there's no separate targeting.

This makes it so the primary targets for infantry are going to be battlesuits, which are going to be able to shrug of shots a lot better. For stealthsuits, in addition to being hard to hit, it means that bolters are now going to be wounding on 5s, and lasguns are going to be wounding on 6s. Having them equipped with the beefed up burst cannons, they look like they could act as good infantry mulchers while getting Crisis suits into the right place.

Yeah, you're intentionally building a skew list. That's fine, provided you have enough points to actually accomplish anything.
I have my doubts that mitigating small arms is a worthwhile goal for an army list in 9th edition, but I guess you'll find out.

Ignore invulnerable save stratagem with the Borkan Sept! Seems that Borkan is becoming the obvious choice with the extra 4 inches and - 1 str to str 7 or lower attacks.

 CKO wrote:
Ignore invulnerable save stratagem with Borkan Septs! Seems that Sept is becoming the obvious choice.

Well, only if you run a big enough gun that isn't on a HH, which means Stormsurge and another detachment. Otherwise I don't think many guns are worth the 2CP spend to do that.

 CKO wrote:
Ignore invulnerable save stratagem with the Borkan Sept! Seems that Borkan is becoming the obvious choice with the extra 4 inches and - 1 str to str 7 or lower attacks.

Not sure.
Borkan is lovely, but can it compete with FSE?

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 BoomWolf wrote:
Does NOBODY read the community highlights properly?

Hammerheads have built-in hit reroll, full stop.
Technically only on 1 shot per turn, but with the railgun that's all it takes.

No, we're well aware. I'm talking T'au sept rerolls on top of markerlights. Two coin flips does not guarantee a hit.

You make no sense.
You can't reroll a reroll anyway. the hammerhead has a built-in reroll, there is no gain to be had from another reroll.

Some Prototype Systems




Grenade thighs and blackhole cloaking fields, oh my.

Devilfish get a pre-game move of 9 inches? I am starting to get jealous! I can think of several armies who have to pay command points for something like that.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Some Prototype Systems




Grenade thighs and blackhole cloaking fields, oh my.

The best part is that these aren’t the most impressive prototypes in the list by far. Plasma rifle that just ignores invulnerable saves? Yes please.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
The best part is that these aren’t the most impressive prototypes in the list by far. Plasma rifle that just ignores invulnerable saves? Yes please.

It's too expensive for what it does, you'd be better served with a second plasma rifle for half the points. Same outcome vs a 4++ (one passes, one is saved) but double outcome versus everything else.

Did someone manage to grab the info from the GMG games (apparently accidental) review? I saw it was online earlier but I've been travelling so I couldn't grab it.

Mandragola wrote:
Did someone manage to grab the info from the GMG games (apparently accidental) review? I saw it was online earlier but I've been travelling so I couldn't grab it.

What kind of info? The pages were too blurry to be really worth screenshooting but ask away.
Edit, I should say I don’t recall much about stratagems; those never stick in my head even if I have them in front of me.

Yes, I think we now know why Vior'La's sept trait seems so sub-par. Their WL trait is a 3+ CP refund. Ka-ching.

Codex pre-order is next Saturday, 29 Jan.

I'm simultaneously surprised its so soon and also that it isn't already out.

I may not be invested in this release at all.

Is it common for Forge World kits to be sold on the GW website? Some Tau FW kits seem to have been chosen to be sold alongside the new releases on the GW site.

I think those are meant to be restock

They're all in stock and available on the FW site Seems like GW is stepping on FW's toes.

Voss wrote:
I'm simultaneously surprised its so soon and also that it isn't already out.

I may not be invested in this release at all.

Eh. They said Tau would be the first codex of the New Year, prior to the GSC+Custodes books getting pushed back. January was also a Tau Empire coin for their in-store purchase gimmick.

This one was kinda hard to be too excited about, IMO. One single model(Darkstrider) and a new Combat Patrol just don't feel super exciting when there's all the hype over the Aeldari happening too.


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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I think those are meant to be restock

The wording would be extremely weird if that were the case.

T’au Empire Forge World Kits
While you’re on the Games Workshop webstore picking up your new T’au Empire goodies, you’ll also be able to grab some advanced kits from Forge World! You can add the destructive firepower of the massive KX139 Ta’unar Supremacy Armour, bring death from above with the AX 1-0 Tigershark, and recruit additional battlesuits in the form of the XV107 and XV109 variants at the same time as you buy your new codex.

Admittedly it could be limited to UK or Warhammer Citadel or whatever but...that could be interesting.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Is anyone surprised?

It's almost like having some kind of system of universal rules which can be referenced by multiple documents would be a good thing to avoid these kinds of situations as everyone would have the same rules text.

You mean creating a list of universal special rules with standardized text and application that are commonly referenced on datasheets across the game? What a crazy concept.

I just want a Tiger shark or Barracuda in plastic instead of the 2 hideous planes that Tau currently have.

I am still wondering who thought it was okay for a transport to get a free 9-inch pre-game move?

 CKO wrote:
I am still wondering who thought it was okay for a transport to get a free 9-inch pre-game move?

It used to be a 12" move. Pathfinder Devilfish have gotten a pregame move since like 4th or 5th.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 CKO wrote:
I am still wondering who thought it was okay for a transport to get a free 9-inch pre-game move?

It used to be a 12" move. Pathfinder Devilfish have gotten a pregame move since like 4th or 5th.

That was a universal rule called a scout move, a lot of units had it now most pay CP.

So the Ethereal on Hover Board has never been available outside of bundles?