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 Ghaz wrote:
Warhammer Community says that they will "... also have more news on the Citadel Colour paints..." next Sunday during the Summer Skirmish Preview, although I can't imagine what that could be.

Weren't quite a few of the airbrush range being sent to LCTB? I remember rumors earlier this year that the Air line was being moved to droppers.

Maybe that's the news.

 Eldarsif wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
Warhammer Community says that they will "... also have more news on the Citadel Colour paints..." next Sunday during the Summer Skirmish Preview, although I can't imagine what that could be.

Weren't quite a few of the airbrush range being sent to LCTB? I remember rumors earlier this year that the Air line was being moved to droppers.

Maybe that's the news.

Yes, they cut a number of Air and Dry paints with the most likely reason being to clear enough room in the current paint rack for the new Shades and Contrast paints.

from Warhammer Community

On the 17th of July, Warhammer TV will be hosting the #WarhammerPaintathon! It’s your chance to get involved in a big communal painting drive, in which everyone gets together online to tackle anything from a single model to a whole army. Visit the Warhammer Twitch channel to get involved.

In the run-up to the big day, Warhammer TV will be hosting six Hang Out and Hobby specials across two weeks, focusing on the new paints, between 5pm and 7pm.

Here’s the lineup so you know just what to expect over the next two weeks. Make sure you’ve got plenty of paint water at the ready!

On Wednesday the 6th of July, our presenters will be checking out all 25 of the new Contrast paints so you can get an idea of where they fit within the current collection.

Four episodes airing on Thursday the 7th, Friday the 8th, Wednesday the 13th, and Thursday the 14th of July will go in-depth on different elements of the new Contrast range, discovering how they apply over the vibrant new White Scar Spray paint.

Our hosts will also be exploring how the most vivid paints look over various metallics, and thinning them down to use them as glazes on other colours.

On Friday the 15th, they will get to grips with the newly formulated Shade paints, looking at how to paint diseased flesh and undead skin, alongside a host of other tips and tricks.

And on Sunday the 17th, it’s the big event – the stupendous eight-hour paintathon! You’ll need something to paint – maybe there’s a Combat Patrol or Vanguard box you have your eye on, or a hero you always wanted to paint but couldn’t find the right time to start. Here’s what the WarhammerTV Painting Team will be working on.



I might have to check it out today to see if they have anything we haven't seen yet in regard to the new Contrast paints (runs from Noon to 2PM ET).

 stahly wrote:
Check out my Contrast paint swatch with all 61 old & new colours, hand-painted on White Scar primer:




I've also written a review that should hopefully answer the question of what's it with these new "flat" colours like Baal Red and Magmadroth Flame. And if we really need three more yellows:

https://taleofpainters.com/2022/07/review-the-25-new-citadel-contrast-colours/

Also has a downloadable version of my complete Contrast paint swatch.

Wow that imperial fist/badmoon yellow followed by Cassandora yellow looks amazing actually. Very impressive.

I'm definitely going to be picking up the new shade line -- probably all of them in fact. Gonna grab a few new Contrasts as well. The new single pigment ones will make painting super bright Seraphon even breezier than before.

Hmm 16th i'm running tournament so 17th is free. Might actually dedicate day for painting.

It was noted on today's show that there's been a large request to see the new Contrast paints over metallics so they plan on doing that on the shows this week and next.

 Ghaz wrote:
It was noted on today's show that there's been a large request to see the new Contrast paints over metallics so they plan on doing that on the shows this week and next.

Hope they follow up. In the past, they've acknowledged popular requests and promised to follow up on the Warhammer community site, but never do. Like promising to compare the size of the kill team DKK to the FW ones

 Ghaz wrote:
It was noted on today's show that there's been a large request to see the new Contrast paints over metallics so they plan on doing that on the shows this week and next.

Seen them in the flesh at Chelmsford GW. They have all the metallics bases and all the contrasts on top of them as a huge reference sheet. Look sweet. Pictures of that are on FB Chelmsford.

I dunno if it's already been posted in this thread or if it only came up on my YT recommendations, but Sword 'n' Steele did them over metallic silver in her video...

I know it's very much first-world problems, but I do wish ones of the retailers would have done a bundle of all the new paints. Not even at a discount, just a way to buy them without having to add them all separately to the basket..

deano2099 wrote:
I know it's very much first-world problems, but I do wish ones of the retailers would have done a bundle of all the new paints. Not even at a discount, just a way to buy them without having to add them all separately to the basket..

Seems like the least they could do, honestly.

deano2099 wrote:
I know it's very much first-world problems, but I do wish ones of the retailers would have done a bundle of all the new paints. Not even at a discount, just a way to buy them without having to add them all separately to the basket..

GW are doing a bundle if you don't mind buying direct from GW, and they give you a FREE mug even.

I did see one online store in Oz doing a bundle also, didn't check whether it was at a discount or not.

Haha! Yeah you're right I checked about 5 online retailers but not GW themselves, I'm so used to not ordering GW stuff from GW....

Looks like the Contrast bundle is sold out in the UK though now.

Probably because of the mug.
If you just want all the paints and are in the UK, Outpost had a one-click option if I remember correctly.

Just wondering is the new white spray going to have a pot equivalent?

It may well be because it's going to generate a lot of held orders when GW is dramatically short one or two colours of paint (as is bound to happen)

deano2099 wrote:
I know it's very much first-world problems, but I do wish ones of the retailers would have done a bundle of all the new paints. Not even at a discount, just a way to buy them without having to add them all separately to the basket..

But according to some people in dakkadakka zero discount bundles are useless, evil and do nothing but harm by existing

Yeah, looks like a couple of smaller retailers do have a bundle so have ordered. I had only checked the larger ones.


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tneva82 wrote:

deano2099 wrote:
I know it's very much first-world problems, but I do wish ones of the retailers would have done a bundle of all the new paints. Not even at a discount, just a way to buy them without having to add them all separately to the basket..

But according to some people in dakkadakka zero discount bundles are useless, evil and do nothing but harm by existing

For a bundle of three items, that's basically true. For a bundle of 30 items, less so!


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 NAVARRO wrote:
Just wondering is the new white spray going to have a pot equivalent?

There's already a White Scar pot but it's a layer paint, rather than a base paint, so needs a few coats to get good coverage.

deano2099 wrote:
Haha! Yeah you're right I checked about 5 online retailers but not GW themselves, I'm so used to not ordering GW stuff from GW....

Looks like the Contrast bundle is sold out in the UK though now.

Darksphere has a bundle of the new contrasts for £89

 NAVARRO wrote:
Just wondering is the new white spray going to have a pot equivalent?

Yes, it's called White Scar

In retrospect, I should probably have just Googled "Citadel contrast bundle" instead of visiting a bunch of retailers I'd used before and looking to see if they had one...

deano2099 wrote:
There's already a White Scar pot but it's a layer paint, rather than a base paint, so needs a few coats to get good coverage.

Ideally a few coats of some other manufacturer's paint

 lord_blackfang wrote:

deano2099 wrote:
There's already a White Scar pot but it's a layer paint, rather than a base paint, so needs a few coats to get good coverage.

Ideally a few coats of some other manufacturer's paint

Ooh, which one is that that matches the new spray?

deano2099 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

deano2099 wrote:
There's already a White Scar pot but it's a layer paint, rather than a base paint, so needs a few coats to get good coverage.

Ideally a few coats of some other manufacturer's paint

Ooh, which one is that that matches the new spray?

Are you asking if anyone except GW makes a pure white?

 lord_blackfang wrote:

deano2099 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

deano2099 wrote:
There's already a White Scar pot but it's a layer paint, rather than a base paint, so needs a few coats to get good coverage.

Ideally a few coats of some other manufacturer's paint

Ooh, which one is that that matches the new spray?

Are you asking if anyone except GW makes a pure white?

I'm asking what's a 100% match for the GW one as that was the question being asked. I find even within "pure white" there's a bit difference.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

deano2099 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

deano2099 wrote:
There's already a White Scar pot but it's a layer paint, rather than a base paint, so needs a few coats to get good coverage.

Ideally a few coats of some other manufacturer's paint

Ooh, which one is that that matches the new spray?

Are you asking if anyone except GW makes a pure white?

The biggest thing is surface finish. That's why lots of GW tutorials have you spraying something black and then turning around and also painting it black with a brush, the brush on stuff has a different surface finish. (as an aside, I've found Vallejo Model Colour Black has a very similar finish to their black spray, close enough that I don't bother recoating the whole model just to do a touch-up).

I love Morrow White as a brush on white, but it's on the glossy side. I have no idea what the White Scar spray is going to be like, but I'm going to guess it's less glossy than Morrow White.

In some cases the Citadel sprays don't 100% match the pot either. Death Guard Green being a notable example.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
The biggest thing is surface finish. That's why lots of GW tutorials have you spraying something black and then turning around and also painting it black with a brush, the brush on stuff has a different surface finish. (as an aside, I've found Vallejo Model Colour Black has a very similar finish to their black spray, close enough that I don't bother recoating the whole model just to do a touch-up).

I love Menoth White as a brush on white, but it's on the glossy side. I have no idea what the White Scar spray is going to be like, but I'm going to guess it's less glossy than Menoth White.

Citadel sprays tend to be on the slightly glossy/satin side as well.

 Arbitrator wrote:
In some cases the Citadel sprays don't 100% match the pot either.

Yeah, I wouldn't trust that White Scar Pot has the same end result as White Scar Spray (I have not checked, but it's common for GW paints to not quite match their sprays).


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 Arbitrator wrote:
In some cases the Citadel sprays don't 100% match the pot either. Death Guard Green being a notable example.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
The biggest thing is surface finish. That's why lots of GW tutorials have you spraying something black and then turning around and also painting it black with a brush, the brush on stuff has a different surface finish. (as an aside, I've found Vallejo Model Colour Black has a very similar finish to their black spray, close enough that I don't bother recoating the whole model just to do a touch-up).

I love Menoth White as a brush on white, but it's on the glossy side. I have no idea what the White Scar spray is going to be like, but I'm going to guess it's less glossy than Menoth White.

Citadel sprays tend to be on the slightly glossy/satin side as well.

Yeah, it might be a good match in the end, I dunno. I just found the P3 paint wasn't a great basecoat for AP Speedpaints when as it seemed like too slick of a surface.

Also, sorry, I meant Morrow White, not Menoth White, Menoth is the off white bone colour, Morrow is the one that actually looks white, I'll edit my previous post.

If white scar is titanium white (and I’m guessing it is), any white works. IDK, because I’ve never used White Scar due to the horror stories.

If a local store stocks multiple lines just grab some white from Vallejo or army painter or whatever. Really anything will do.

If some posters seem snarky it’s because every manufacturer that makes a pure white uses the exact same pigment: titanium dioxide. They’re literally all the same except for small differences in medium. And I mean literally.

If we’re talking as a base for contrast, then the medium actually will matter though. Contrast works best on a borderline satin finish (vs flat).

Quasistellar wrote:
If white scar is titanium white (and I’m guessing it is), any white works. IDK, because I’ve never used White Scar due to the horror stories.

If a local store stocks multiple lines just grab some white from Vallejo or army painter or whatever. Really anything will do.

If some posters seem snarky it’s because every manufacturer that makes a pure white uses the exact same pigment: titanium dioxide. They’re literally all the same except for small differences in medium. And I mean literally.

If we’re talking as a base for contrast, then the medium actually will matter though. Contrast works best on a borderline satin finish (vs flat).

Clearly titanium dioxide is the most common white pigment by far (as Bob Ross would say, Titanium Hwhite). Especially in artists paints where they straight out tell you that is the only pigment in it.

But when talking about miniature paints, they can be subtly off-white and the different binders, solvents, and matting agents can produce different looking effects. There can also be a large variation in how the paint lays down, the reason I mentioned Morrow White as my favourite pot white (no idea if it's the same as White Scar though) is because it's one of the smoother whites I've use, it needs fewer coats than many other whites I've used, and unlike the GW whites it doesn't dry out in the bottle, irreparably separate, or turn claggy. When someone asks "is this white spray going to have a pot equivalent" they most likely mean "can I get the same result without using a spray can?" or "can I touch up the spray without completely repainting the model?", not "does it use titanium hwhite?"

Technically, you could buy a white oil paint, the end result would be a titanium dioxide pigment being applied to the model, but clearly the outcome isn't going to be what the person was wanting when they were asking that question