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Anvildude wrote:
Heh. I bet you could make a square-barreled shotgun that would fire square shells. Probably even give it cubic shot.


Cubic shot is already a thing, but alot of people claimed that they damaged the barrel.



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 Inquisitor Lord Bane wrote:

Cubic shot is already a thing, but alot of people claimed that they damaged the barrel.


Supposedly they have better penetrating characteristics and do more soft tissue damage. Not really sure if it's true.


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I doubt a square slug or shot would really be any more lethal than a round one. It might be slightly shallower and have more tumbling, but I don't think the difference would justify the effort. The difference is most likely more cosmetic than anything.

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I don't know why there is such hate for semiauto shotguns. Are the ones you guys looking at devoid of adjustable gas systems? I bought a DDI-12 (Improved Saiga) and it has a 4-positon gas adjustment knob that will reliably cycle anything from the lightest birdshot to hard hitting slugs without beating the gun up.


Its more that it is inconvenient to have to adjust the gas at all. Especially when you have to adjust just to run normal shells. Its not like other adjustable gas guns where it might be because you are running a suppressor with some sub-sonic ammo and need to adjust for that special situation. Its just "Well, gotta switch the gas cause Ima shoot some buck". Plus its not something you can do quickly. And a lot of shotgun hunters find themselves hunting multiple prey at the same time. Like say they are going after both birds and hogs and are carrying both buckshot and birdshot. You're not going to be able to adjust the gas quickly if you've got birdshot in the chamber but suddenly you spot a hog and need to swap to buckshot.

Then when it also has a much bigger price tag to top it all off it isn't very attractive.

Really having an adjustable gas system is the exception rather than the norm. The vast majority of firearms are non-adjustable and in most situations you're not going to be using it even if you do. So when you suddenly have a gun where you have to adjust it whenever you switch it is a real downside.

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 Grey Templar wrote:
Its more that it is inconvenient to have to adjust the gas at all. Especially when you have to adjust just to run normal shells. Its not like other adjustable gas guns where it might be because you are running a suppressor with some sub-sonic ammo and need to adjust for that special situation. Its just "Well, gotta switch the gas cause Ima shoot some buck". Plus its not something you can do quickly. And a lot of shotgun hunters find themselves hunting multiple prey at the same time. Like say they are going after both birds and hogs and are carrying both buckshot and birdshot. You're not going to be able to adjust the gas quickly if you've got birdshot in the chamber but suddenly you spot a hog and need to swap to buckshot.


If you're only going to be firing a few shots, there's little harm in tuning the gun for your lighter birdshot. It'll kick harder on buck but it'll cycle, and if you're not doing extensive shooting in that configuration you don't need to worry about the increased wear and tear. And you can get birdshot loaded comparably to the buck. If they're both 1-1/8oz at the same muzzle velocity, the gun doesn't care what shape the lead is in, they'll cycle the same.

Actually swapping ammo type is a much more relevant concern. But that applies to both pumps and semis. You can do a changeover quickly if you practice, but that gives you one shot. And if you have the time to empty the tube and reload, you have the time to adjust a gas regulator.

Or get something like a Benelli and it'll eat just about every shell you put through it with no reconfiguration needed.
   
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Beretta owns Benelli and has for some time as far as I know. The 390 series up in Beretta; all Benelli Semis as well as Franchi and Stoegers are inertial. You don’t have to tune anything.

They don’t dampen recoil well and in light guns a 3.5” shell is straight up torture.

I’ve been watching you guys talk about semi auto shotguns and Unless you have some purely anecdotal experiences you’ll find most factory loads today will cycle through most semi autos currently sold and sold within the last 30-ish years. Unless the gun is SPECIFICALLY tuned to 3.5” shells it should reliably cycle 3 and 2.75” shells without a hiccup.
I’ve never really seen the need to shoot anything but 2.75s other than borrowing a friends gun to give an opinion so YMMV. Outside of going from standard to super magnums or trying to shoot half shells a SA eats almost anything you feed it unless it’s broken.

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Get yourself a 1301 and not worry about anything. Out the box they should run just fine.


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 Inquisitor Lord Bane wrote:
Anvildude wrote:
Heh. I bet you could make a square-barreled shotgun that would fire square shells. Probably even give it cubic shot.


Cubic shot is already a thing, but alot of people claimed that they damaged the barrel.




How would soft lead damage a steel barrel?

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Kayback wrote:

How would soft lead damage a steel barrel?


They're not lead. Most of the cubic buck I've seen are steel.


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Its a kinda silly concern. The steel shot will almost certainly be softer than the barrel. Plus the shot is going to be largely cupped by the wad till it leaves the barrel so there will be minimal contact.

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I saw Dusk ‘til Dawn and Desperado at quite a young age.

I never knew that gun had at least some basis in fact (especially as the proper definitely doesn’t look functional!)




Yes I know it’s source is dodgy. But still a fascinating piece of engineering.

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Even if its a post-war fake, that still makes it very old and very interesting. Plus its perfectly functional too for whatever that is worth.

A lot of concealed .22 weapons are really impractical and you might struggle to even see how it might damage anything. This one actually has decent barrel length, seems pretty reliable and durable, and its not terribly gimmicky in how you'd use it. Its certainly no Liberator.

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Actual digital weapon.

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I've seen some impractical guns, but that takes it to a new level. I think the guy in the video described it best when it said it would be "substantially more dangerous to the person wearing it than anybody else." Very hard to imagine what kind of niche something like that would fill that something like a pocket pistol or even a derringer couldn't do better 100% of the time.

   
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The only way that is injuring anybody is if you literally press it against someone and fire it.

Which is of course the main failing of any of these gimmicky tiny concealable things, they usually have incredibly tiny ammunition combined with absolutely no barrel which means they have inferior ballistics to an air gun.

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 Grey Templar wrote:
The only way that is injuring anybody is if you literally press it against someone and fire it.


I dunno, it'd probably be safer to punch them with it.


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I do wonder if they’re more the gunsmith showing off their skills?

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Most likely. There is a very long tradition in gunsmithing of making small complex firearms simply to show off your skills. Especially during the 15th-16th century during the heyday of Wheellocks, which are dizzyingly complex mechanisms. A gunsmith would make examples that were over the top to sell his quality to customers.

Interestingly about wheellocks. They share many mechanical features with mechanical clocks, and indeed the gunsmiths who made them were usually also clockmakers and vice verse as both involved very complex systems of fine springs and gears.

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Definitely my takeaway.

The difference between possible and practical.

If we put ourselves in the shoes of quartermasters of the time? You see that, and you might figure “their machining skills are just what we need for mass production”

Would every service revolver be made to such tolerance? Not at all. But if they can that, they clearly know their onions, so their proper guns are likely more than up to snuff.

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Another idiot question.

With Revolvers, is their a universal clockwise or anti clockwise mechanism, or does it depend on the shooter?

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It depends on the revolver, but most are clockwise rotation during normal operation. When you rotate the cylinder out of the frame they spin freely of course.

I don't know of any revolvers that can change between rotation direction.

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Revolvers turn depending on manufacturer. If you are looking down the sites Taurus, Charter Arms and Colts will turn clockwise. Rugers and Smith&Wesson will turn counterclockwise. I am unsure of other brands.
   
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Son has spent some spare time improving our on-property firing range.





There is a mirror image cover board to the one in the picture, and also distances marked at 3, 5, 7, 10, 15, 25, 50 and 75 meters not in those pictures. Also an archery area with 4 3D targets (buck, coyote, turkey and javalina) with thick rubber barn mat backstops to keep arrows from getting lost int he woods.

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When I win the Euromillions jackpot, I’ll totally be bribing my fellow Dakkanauts with loadsamoney, and like, Lobsters, to let come visit and make use of their shooting facilities

And now for a slightly more educated Idiot Question.

I’m currently watching The Terminator (because why wouldn’t you?). And I’ve identified the shotgun Arnie picks up as a SPAS-12L, thanks to Wikipedia.

But what I’ve not been able to learn is what the hook on the end of the stock is for.

Looking at it through uninformed eyes, it just doesn’t seem to serve a purpose?

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
When I win the Euromillions jackpot, I’ll totally be bribing my fellow Dakkanauts with loadsamoney, and like, Lobsters, to let come visit and make use of their shooting facilities

And now for a slightly more educated Idiot Question.

I’m currently watching The Terminator (because why wouldn’t you?). And I’ve identified the shotgun Arnie picks up as a SPAS-12L, thanks to Wikipedia.

But what I’ve not been able to learn is what the hook on the end of the stock is for.

Looking at it through uninformed eyes, it just doesn’t seem to serve a purpose?


IIRC you're supposed to loop it over your arm to help brace the gun - this allows you to hold it steadier in one handed firing.
   
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Yeah, its basically a weirdo brace thingy. But I don't think it would be terribly practical to use it for that. Its more useful just as a carry handle.

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 CptJake wrote:
Son has spent some spare time improving our on-property firing range.


Love the range setup.

What are those rectangular slots for? Shooting in unusual positions?

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Yes, forces you to shoot from uncomfortable positions, and the colors match the target you are supposed to shot from that position. Boards obviously can be moved to allow different distances.

Going to set up cleaning/loading tables next I think.

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That is so cool. I am eternally jealous of people who can shoot on their property.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I’m currently watching The Terminator (because why wouldn’t you?). And I’ve identified the shotgun Arnie picks up as a SPAS-12L, thanks to Wikipedia.

But what I’ve not been able to learn is what the hook on the end of the stock is for.

Looking at it through uninformed eyes, it just doesn’t seem to serve a purpose?


Hook turns sideways and then goes under your arm. Ostensibly for shooting one-handed while rappelling, or moving a suspect, or... something. I mean, there's a reason you don't see it on other semi-auto shotguns.
   
 
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