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2021/12/09 00:04:14
Subject: Necromunda Underhive news & rumours-Outcasts and Market, page 147
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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Baxx wrote:As Altruizine says, I think you're mistaken.
I don't think I am. Certainly other types of gang members - leaders and champions - can take weapons from the house list and trading post, but gangers cannot. For example, Van Saar: Van Saar Prime (Pg 37) - During the course of a campaign, a Van Saar Prime may be given additional weapons and Wargear purchased from this list, from the Trading Post and from the Black Market.
Van Saar Tek (Pg 45) - During the course of a campaign, both Van Saar Teks and Van Saar Specialists may be given additional weapons purchased from this list. In addition, during a campaign both Van Saar Teks and Van Saar Specialists may be given additional Wargear purchased from this list, from the Trading Post and from the Black Market.
One can purchase weapons and wargear from the trading post/black market, the other can only purchase wargear from the trading post/black market. Compare the Van Saar ganger (or any other of the main 6 Gangers, plus the Red Ganger) to the Outcast's equivalent of a ganger, which says the following: Underhive Outcast Hive Scum (Pg 31) - During the course of a campaign, both Underhive Outcasts Hive Scum and Underhive Outcasts Specialists may be given additional weapons and Wargear purchased from this list, from the Trading Post and from the Black Market.
Again, weapons and wargear, not just wargear as with most regular gangers. But let's take a look at the more general rules that come at the start of each section, again with the Van Saar book: Page 34 wrote:EQUIPPING A FIGHTER All fighters can be equipped as follows: If the gang is being founded for Campaign play, fighters will be limited to the equipment listed in their entry, whereas fighters in a gang founded for Skirmish play may also have access to some items of equipment from the Trading Post and Black Market. This should be agreed upon by the players.
Alright, that seems pretty clear cut, but what about the rest? Also Page 34 wrote:NEW EQUIPMENT During a campaign, gangs may gain new equipment, either by purchasing it from the Trading Post or Black Market, or as a result of Boons. These items are added to the gang’s Stash and may be distributed among fighters during any postbattle sequence: • Any fighter may discard any Wargear they are equipped with in favour of new Wargear. Any Wargear discarded in this way is placed in the gang’s Stash and may be given to other fighters. • No fighter may discard a weapon. Underhive gangers become attached to their weapons of choice and would rather hoard weapons than discard them. • Fighters with the Gang Fighter (X) special rule that do not also have the Tools of the Trade special rule cannot be given a new weapon if it would take them above the limit of three weapons carried. • Fighters with the Tools of the Trade special rule can be given more than three weapons as they can have multiple Fighter cards, each representing a different ‘equipment set’, as described on the next page.
That would seem to say that you can give whatever to whomever, except that that contradicts the rules in each specific gang member entry. This is the general rules for equipping members of your gang. Each fighter type has their own specific rule for what they can and cannot take. Specific overrides the general. Goliath Bruisers, Escher Gang Sisters, Orlock Gunners, Van Saar Teks, Cawdor/Redemptionist Brethren and Delaque Ghosts cannot take weapons from the trading post. It's right there in their rules. If you can show me an FAQ that says otherwise, be my guest.
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2021/12/09 01:08:59
Subject: Re:Necromunda Underhive news & rumours-Outcasts and Market, page 147
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Fixture of Dakka
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What is evolving is a gang specific weapons load out.
It just seems a little confusing, because of the Inch by Inch/ Centimeter by Centimeter way that they are pushing out the rules, while not addressing the elephant in the room that this has become.
By book 2, I figured that this was going to happen, by gang box three I was pretty sure that Necromunda isn't going to work the way in which we were all used to. The blaring lack of Juves, for one, even when they were in the early rules. Then as we get more and more specialized cheese per gang, I'm honestly not seeing it going to simmer down any time soonish...
One thing, about the new Outcast gang... No heavy weapons/ special weapons- yet.
What I see, is that you are going to have to get ready for more of this horsesh.... stuff before we start seeing a rehash of fifth and six boxed sets with even MORE ridiculous shortsightedness.
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2021/12/09 01:14:49
Subject: Necromunda Underhive news & rumours-Outcasts and Market, page 147
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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Champs can have heavy weapons thankfully. Well... a heavy weapon. The Heavy Stubber.
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2021/12/09 06:08:58
Subject: Necromunda Underhive news & rumours-Outcasts and Market, page 147
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Fixture of Dakka
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H.B.M.C. wrote:Champs can have heavy weapons thankfully. Well... a heavy weapon. The Heavy Stubber.
It is a classic of the setting.
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2021-4 Plog - Here we go again... - my fifth attempt at a Dakka PLOG
My Pile of Potential - updates ongoing...
Gamgee on Tau Players wrote:we all kill cats and sell our own families to the devil and eat live puppies.
Kanluwen wrote:This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.
Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
tneva82 wrote:You aren't even trying ty pretend for honest arqument. Open bad faith trolling. - No reason to keep this here, unless people want to use it for something... |
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2021/12/09 06:47:52
Subject: Necromunda Underhive news & rumours-Outcasts and Market, page 147
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H.B.M.C. wrote:
Goliath Bruisers, Escher Gang Sisters, Orlock Gunners, Van Saar Teks, Cawdor/Redemptionist Brethren and Delaque Ghosts cannot take weapons from the trading post.
Nobody here said any them could.
See:
Baxx wrote:The entirety of Chaos, Genestealer, Corpse Grinder, Enforcer, Venator, Outcast have TP/BM access.
These are your mistakes:
H.B.M.C. wrote:Regular Gangers in a Venator gang (ie. Hunters) pick everything from the trading post. Palanite Patrolmen can only choose weapons from their list. Corpse Grinder Skinners can only have stuff from their lists. Helot Cultists appear to have the same rules. Aberants and Neophyte Hybrids again seem to follow the same rules.
But they're understandable oversights, since you haven't played the game, and therefore haven't come to grips with rules questions that have already been litigated by the Necromunda community over the past few years.
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2021/12/09 07:05:19
Subject: Necromunda Underhive news & rumours-Outcasts and Market, page 147
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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2021/12/09 09:23:00
Subject: Necromunda Underhive news & rumours-Outcasts and Market, page 147
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Speed Drybrushing
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This is neither News or Rumours please take your bickering to the correct sub forum
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2021/12/09 16:30:45
Subject: Necromunda Underhive news & rumours-Outcasts and Market, page 147
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Rolsheen wrote:This is neither News or Rumours please take your bickering to the correct sub forum
Indeed. From now on all OT posts are going to be removed and their author suspended, this is beyond ridiculous now. We have a specialists game sub forum for a reason, start using it and cease clogging up this News and Rumours thread.
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2021/12/09 23:03:27
Subject: Necromunda Underhive news & rumours-Outcasts and Market, page 147
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Calculating Commissar
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So, er... on-topic.
What are we expecting next for Necromunda? As far as I was aware, the Outcasts were the last previewed kit. All the main 6 have their own book.
Where do they go next? Or is that a mystery to be revealed soon?
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ChargerIIC wrote:If algae farm paste with a little bit of your grandfather in it isn't Grimdark I don't know what is. |
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2021/12/09 23:07:08
Subject: Necromunda Underhive news & rumours-Outcasts and Market, page 147
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Moustache-twirling Princeps
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Haighus wrote:Where do they go next? Or is that a mystery to be revealed soon?
Expanding the guilds, focusing on another hive or going outside the hives have been mentioned.
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2021/12/09 23:37:24
Subject: Necromunda Underhive news & rumours-Outcasts and Market, page 147
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Veteran Knight Baron in a Crusader
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Haighus wrote:So, er... on-topic.
What are we expecting next for Necromunda? As far as I was aware, the Outcasts were the last previewed kit. All the main 6 have their own book.
Where do they go next? Or is that a mystery to be revealed soon?
Each gang will get a new book, totally invalidating their 1 year old books while also invalidating all the trading post/black market lists they have previously published.
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2021/12/09 23:57:53
Subject: Necromunda Underhive news & rumours-Outcasts and Market, page 147
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Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon
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Delaque weapon sprue at least. It’s not been previewed, but we know it’s coming.
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2021/12/10 00:19:48
Subject: Necromunda Underhive news & rumours-Outcasts and Market, page 147
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Delaque weapon sprue, Enforcer weapon sprue, Meat Grinders sprue.
Books to go with Enforcers+Meat Grinders. Maybe a plastic character for each book/House down the line.
Hopefully tiles coming back, permanently.
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2021/12/10 00:28:29
Subject: Necromunda Underhive news & rumours-Outcasts and Market, page 147
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Cowboy Wannabe
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Are Enforcers and Grinders going to get another box with a "specialist" sprue in it?
Enforcer detectives, combat robo-dogs, and similar would be pretty well received I think.
What about weapon sprues? Currently only the House gangs have the various weapon and head packs from Forgeworld, so there is not anything to port over directly.
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2021/12/10 00:29:21
Subject: Necromunda Underhive news & rumours-Outcasts and Market, page 147
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[DCM]
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Next up possibilities
Another chaos cult (could put a couple in a single book)?
Zombie plague with nurgle based cult attached so they can sell pox walker boxes (I would LOVE this with waves of crappy zombies)
Undersump mutants?
Ratskins?
Genestealer cult (Could go in a cult style book with chaos)?
Spyrers?
I would want books for all of these before going into guilds and houses.
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2021/12/10 00:32:31
Subject: Necromunda Underhive news & rumours-Outcasts and Market, page 147
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Crafty Bray Shaman
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Toofast wrote: Haighus wrote:So, er... on-topic.
What are we expecting next for Necromunda? As far as I was aware, the Outcasts were the last previewed kit. All the main 6 have their own book.
Where do they go next? Or is that a mystery to be revealed soon?
Each gang will get a new book, totally invalidating their 1 year old books while also invalidating all the trading post/black market lists they have previously published.
If this were to happen I'd just shrug, then continue using the current books. I've purchased way too many Newcromunda books for me to ever consider buying new versions.
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2021/12/10 00:42:28
Subject: Necromunda Underhive news & rumours-Outcasts and Market, page 147
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Toofast wrote: Haighus wrote:So, er... on-topic.
What are we expecting next for Necromunda? As far as I was aware, the Outcasts were the last previewed kit. All the main 6 have their own book.
Where do they go next? Or is that a mystery to be revealed soon?
Each gang will get a new book, totally invalidating their 1 year old books while also invalidating all the trading post/black market lists they have previously published.
If a new edition doesn’t launch, I think you are probably right. If a new edition launches, I know you are. And last month marked the magic four year mark. If it weren’t Covid world, I suspect a new version would be in this year’s Christmas wave.
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2021/12/10 01:07:25
Subject: Re:Necromunda Underhive news & rumours-Outcasts and Market, page 147
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Using Object Source Lighting
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If theres a new edition with a strong solo play in it I will be very very tempted.
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2021/12/10 02:12:41
Subject: Necromunda Underhive news & rumours-Outcasts and Market, page 147
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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I really hope for more Ash Wastes/mining stuff. It could lead to more variety of Hive-detritus and other guilds.
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2021/12/10 08:35:56
Subject: Necromunda Underhive news & rumours-Outcasts and Market, page 147
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Ridin' on a Snotling Pump Wagon
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Kanluwen wrote:
Delaque weapon sprue, Enforcer weapon sprue, Meat Grinders sprue.
Books to go with Enforcers+Meat Grinders. Maybe a plastic character for each book/House down the line.
Hopefully tiles coming back, permanently.
Out of that, it’s really only the Delaque sprue we know to expect.
Enforcers kind of already have one, in the form of Subjugators.
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2021/12/10 09:08:34
Subject: Necromunda Underhive news & rumours-Outcasts and Market, page 147
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Moustache-twirling Princeps
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They're already in The Book of Ruin.
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2021/12/11 04:15:05
Subject: Re:Necromunda Underhive news & rumours-Outcasts and Market, page 147
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Fixture of Dakka
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Hive Secondus, and Ash Wastes. IIRC, there was a hive that was placed off limits for... Plague Zombies, and Another Hive that had Orks in it.
Spyers should also be making an incoming appearance in the next year, as well.
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At Games Workshop, we believe that how you behave does matter. We believe this so strongly that we have written it down in the Games Workshop Book. There is a section in the book where we talk about the values we expect all staff to demonstrate in their working lives. These values are Lawyers, Guns and Money. |
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2021/12/11 04:30:09
Subject: Necromunda Underhive news & rumours-Outcasts and Market, page 147
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Kanluwen wrote:
Delaque weapon sprue, Enforcer weapon sprue, Meat Grinders sprue.
Books to go with Enforcers+Meat Grinders. Maybe a plastic character for each book/House down the line.
Hopefully tiles coming back, permanently.
Out of that, it’s really only the Delaque sprue we know to expect.
Enforcers kind of already have one, in the form of Subjugators.
Enforcers have, effectively, their "expanded" box with the Subjugators. There's still other stuff that can be used for a sprue.
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2021/12/11 07:09:05
Subject: Necromunda Underhive news & rumours-Outcasts and Market, page 147
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Kanluwen wrote: Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Kanluwen wrote:
Delaque weapon sprue, Enforcer weapon sprue, Meat Grinders sprue.
Books to go with Enforcers+Meat Grinders. Maybe a plastic character for each book/House down the line.
Hopefully tiles coming back, permanently.
Out of that, it’s really only the Delaque sprue we know to expect.
Enforcers kind of already have one, in the form of Subjugators.
Enforcers have, effectively, their "expanded" box with the Subjugators. There's still other stuff that can be used for a sprue.
Not much. The weapon sprues have filled out options from each gang's basic list, and Enforcers basically have everything in their list already covered except... autopistols?
To make a weapon upgrade sprue for them someone would have to sit down and go, "hmmm what are Enforcers likely to buy from the enormous Trading Post?"
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2021/12/11 08:29:24
Subject: Necromunda Underhive news & rumours-Outcasts and Market, page 147
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Otiose in a Niche
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From the original game there's still Scabies, Ratskins and Pit Slaves. With Ash Wastes Nomads from Confrontation and Specialist Games as well.
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2021/12/11 08:44:42
Subject: Necromunda Underhive news & rumours-Outcasts and Market, page 147
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Veteran Inquisitorial Tyranid Xenokiller
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Altruizine wrote:To make a weapon upgrade sprue for them someone would have to sit down and go, "hmmm what are Enforcers likely to buy from the enormous Trading Post?"
I would not mind if there was a sprue with two plastic Hardcase robo-doggies to match the aesthetic of the Forgeworld one, along with some half masks (again to match the FW look) and I could think of a bunch of other things I would like it filled in with.
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Glory is fleeting. Obscurity is forever.
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2021/12/11 16:44:26
Subject: Necromunda Underhive news & rumours-Outcasts and Market, page 147
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Kid_Kyoto wrote:From the original game there's still Scabies, Ratskins and Pit Slaves. With Ash Wastes Nomads from Confrontation and Specialist Games as well.
And Bratz Gangz from Confrontation and the Space Marine novel.
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2021/12/11 17:06:04
Subject: Necromunda Underhive news & rumours-Outcasts and Market, page 147
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Vain wrote: Altruizine wrote:To make a weapon upgrade sprue for them someone would have to sit down and go, "hmmm what are Enforcers likely to buy from the enormous Trading Post?" I would not mind if there was a sprue with two plastic Hardcase robo-doggies to match the aesthetic of the Forgeworld one, along with some half masks (again to match the FW look) and I could think of a bunch of other things I would like it filled in with.
Yep. There's also just some general "variation" stuff that could be added. Different poses for the bolters/shotguns, etc. Rereading the Dark Uprising blurbs... -Subjugators are mentioned as having Enforcer Boltguns(not currently available) -Something called a Palanite M.O.N.I.T.O.R. is namedropped. -Shock Staves are missing for both Enforcers and Subjugators.
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2021/12/12 03:13:29
Subject: Necromunda Underhive news & rumours-Outcasts and Market, page 147
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Mechanicus oriented stuff would be a great way to have tech-thralls, we already have slave-ogryn so not that far away. Skavvies & Ashe Wastes stuff could go the mining guild route and flesh out the guild system further.
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2021/12/12 03:21:47
Subject: Necromunda Underhive news & rumours-Outcasts and Market, page 147
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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I've honestly been thinking that Tech-Thralls will be coming for AdMech in 40k proper, so it's possible they could show up in Necromunda too?
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