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 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
You guys are some harsh critics.

I thought it was a decent paint job. Better than I can accomplish anyways...

The problem isn't the quality, it's the style. The photos on the website exist to show off the product, they do so in a specific way(brightly lit, white background, close-up pictures) and always have done, so a "good" paintjob in that context is one that makes the model look its best with all the details presented clearly, and which can stand up to their standard presentation. The guy who's been doing the FW & SG stuff for the last wee while has a style that does neither, not because it's rubbish, but because he doesn't paint in a way that emphasises the sculpt(the last character model is a prime example - her face looks totally different painted than the unpainted shot), and they often end up looking rough and washed out with the photo setup they use.

His stuff often looks great in "action" shots on a tabletop, and I'm sure with more diffuse lighting and a grey or black gradient backdrop even closeup shots like the promo ones would look way better, but for the webstore pics IMO his stuff is no bueno.

zedmeister wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
You guys are some harsh critics.

I thought it was a decent paint job. Better than I can accomplish anyways...

I'm with you there. Don't see 'owt wrong with it.

drazz wrote:It is not "studio quality." And most companies like to show their models with a high-level paintjob.

That said, there is a possibility that the developers are intentionally painting at a simpler style to show what the average gamer might be able to do.

This is not horrendous by average standards as mentioned, the critique is not meant to belittle the average table top painter. But for a studio painted marketing piece designed to sell models, it's pretty crap objectively. Allow me to elaborate:

1.) paint is rough, messy and chalky. The brush was too dry in spots and too watered in others, observe the scalers on the knees of the hind leg in particular, it's a mess.

2.) Again, observe the scales, the painter clearly picked out the dark scales over the lighter base coat, but there is no rhyme or reason to the highlights of edges, and worse it is inconsistently applied. In some areas he is brightening the center in a none-light related fashion, i.e the scales are really brighter/worn in the middle regardless of light. Then in others, they are edge highlighted with the same colors. The scales in general are indicating dark scales over light flesh, i.e, bright in the recesses. But then look at the belly and tail transition back to belly direction, suddenly the recesses are dark, the top is bright. Inconsistent.

3.) details absolutely obliterated, the backpack, the 'boils' on the side, the mouth, the chains around the neck, all unlegible. The mouth and face are a particular shame, by making the tongue, lip folds etc all the exact same color you lose the focal point, it wastes the one area that should stand out from the uniformity of the rest. Look at croc pics, the toungue and mouth are a pinkish huge and the face is much darker, making the maw stand out. Ultimately all we really need to do is look at the raw resin. Did this paintjob serve to show off the sculpt? Does it highlight the details and nuances? Or is it tough to make out and make the sculpt look less refined than it actually is?

4.) The weathering and slime are a textbook example of what NOT to do with rust and slime. There is no logic or reasoning to the rust in particular, he just flooded the whole area where he applied it. The 'slime' is one color of paint mixed with gloss, and likewise lazily applied. This is forgeworld, they are GW's authority on pigment weathering and the style. (Their books are really good actually lol)

Again, it's not the worst thing I've ever seen, not even close if you open it up to 'everyone'. But for a studio paint job, it looks like it was knocked out in an hour and it shows.

Sump croc.... gator done...

Hopefully we see some necromunda support. I was liking kill team but now that they are going toward commanders it is getting too much heroquest/ mini 40k for me.

 NidLifeCrisis wrote:
Where the heck have the Cawdor weapon upgrades disappeared to?! I thought they were meant to be coming out weeks ago!

Weapon upgrades are released with the next gangs. So Cawdor will get their upgrades at about the ssm time that Delaque base gang arrives.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
The 'slime' is one color of paint mixed with gloss, and likewise lazily applied. This is forgeworld, they are GW's authority on pigment weathering and the style. (Their books are really good actually lol)

The slime is probably Nurgle's Rot which is, bar none, my fav GW technical paint.

How would you have done that bit specifically?

Mixed it up with some other colors or inks, in a bit of a swirl, not blended, to give it some depth and filth. Texture. Not too much, but enough to make it look like more than what it is, uniform 1 tone paint.

I've done plenty of goo in my time, takes like 2 seconds to make it slightly more interesting/realistic.

Anyways that's a bit off track really, ultimately my comment is this, I like the sculpt in raw, the paintjob obscured the sculpt for me and that is a shame.

That Nurgle stuff does look good pouring out of vents and things on Plague Marines though. Haven't tried it on any bases, but a Sump Croc would be a good start.

Now they just have to actually release these damned pets. Unfortunately the preview is for one, meaning this'll be another unbearable trickle of releases...

Baxx wrote:

Spectral Ceramite wrote:

I had a feeling that would happen, luckily I pre-order everything Necromunda just in case (is a specialty game, I am of the feeling everything is limited edition so always get anything I want immediately/pre-order). In the pack, the wound tokens look different from the normal wound tokens (I like symmetry) and there wasn't many of the other tokens etc anyway so wasn't a big loss if you didn't get it tbh.

After the drought when Blood Bowl was released, I tend to do the same, in fear that stuff will be indefinitly sold out again (took a year until some products came back in stock, and when they did, some were even different).

How are the wound tokens different? Noticed that they better utilized the chaos/insanity tokens with a different token on the flip-side. Too bad they didn't think of that for the original chaos tokens! There's also a few tokens there I simply don't know what means.

The leader's accessories pack is not only quick reference but also as stealth errata. GW have been criticized for selling this, when parts of it should be available for free as a pdf.

The wounds in the necromunda release have a cross the pack has just blood drops.

The tokens are:
Ready/broken, Wound (blood drop), web/intoxicated (me to much the second tbh...), insanity, loot, revealed/hidden, gas/smoke, photon flash/concussion and general. Then i has the graviton pulse and the 40mm temp arc

aren't the ones with the cross for flesh wounds, not actual wounds? That's what I use them for at least. Would seem like a good idea to give you ones with only blood drops so you could use them for normal wounds, although you rarely need them since most models have 1 wound.

Yeah I use the cross ones as flesh wounds.

Anybody watched the Warhammer TV Necromunda last night ?

Curious about that too, thought they might slip in some news or something. Since necromunda hasn't been on the twitch channel in a little while. They really need to show off Delaque soon, but spiel is looking like the proper time for it.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
You guys are some harsh critics.

I thought it was a decent paint job. Better than I can accomplish anyways...

When you compare it to painting skills from the early 90s it really isn't what I expect from the team at GW.

The real question is why is it just the Swampcrock - I want to see the cats too!

The b&w artwork for the croc was awesome. It was the long croc like mouth that made it look good for me.

The model? Mouth shortened to a stump in comparison.

It reminds me when Mantic make a great piece of artwork, then the model comes along, with an iffy paint job. The fans all say 'the artwork doesn't help it', when the model has turned out naff.
Forgeworld have done the exact same thing here.

It's actually one of the better animal designs for Necro. Miles ahead of the cats, and a really well made model in general.

So essen spiel takes place in the second half of this week. I'm counting on Delaque and the next BB team to be previewed. Anyone know the schedule for this event? Sometimes GW does a preview seminar the night before it begins but I'm not sure about this one.

 Overread wrote:
The real question is why is it just the Swampcrock - I want to see the cats too!

Stop being so impatient. They need to save the things they previewed 6+ months ago for Q2 and Q3 2019!

Hmmmm... Essen Spiel. I can highly recommend going. Your wallet will hate you but there are such lovely things there.

 Flinty wrote:
Hmmmm... Essen Spiel. I can highly recommend going. Your wallet will hate you but there are such lovely things there.

Is the GW seminar on thursday?

Is there even a GW seminar? I just figured models would be on display in a case like there was back at the gama trade show. It's 11 pm for me I dont think I wanna stay up long for such an uncertainty.

Also i'm curious how they will sell the caryatid model. Its so small on its own but maybe they could sell two alternate sculpts like they did with the BB referees. The sumpcroc doesn't interest me cause I don't play goliath but caryatids could be used by any gang. I really wonder what 2019 holds for this game cause we are at the end of the initial plastic gang release cycle.

No news for the moment :(

Allllllriiiiiight!!!! Someone’s there! Looking forward to any news.
Thanks in advance

Im not XD

Its from this:
https://twitter.com/Kenearos
and
https://www.instagram.com/p/BpWrpojHKWz/?taken-by=allie_painting

Games Workshop at Essen Internationale Spieltage
Friday, October 26 - Room M, Congress Center South.
30 minute
- sneak peeks, announcements, overviews of new products at ESSENtial retailers summit.

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ESSENtial Retailers Summit
Friday, October 26 - Room M, Congress Center South.
4-7 pm
- WizKids, Renegade Game Studios, Games Workshop, Alderac Entertainment Group, CMON, and Stronghold Games will all give 30-minute presentations.

Yay!

Look forward to that. Always enjoy a seminar. Well, reading about them anyway.

one more day waiting :(

Do you know what time it is?

4-7pm in Germany. So between 3-6pm in the UK I reckon. Internet is acting up, so can't Google the time difference!

umm 4-7 i think that is for wizkid

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
4-7pm in Germany. So between 3-6pm in the UK I reckon. Internet is acting up, so can't Google the time difference!

No, that is correct. Poland is further east and only an hour different.

I don't know how Germany deals with summertime/wintertime hour shifts though, so it may not directly correlate.