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CptJake wrote: This is actually one of the sillier arguments. While Obama was Pres, there was ZERO incentive for R congress critters to 'get it right' as it would have been vetoed. Why waste the effort?
What? These are meant to be professional legislators. They propose concepts, get industry feedback, win over elements of their own party, then formalise the concept with substantive detail and expert modelling. This is the process by which you first and foremost establish within your own party what it wants to do, and it is also the process that means the party has mature, practical legislation ready to when they do return to power.
I mean, you are right that the Republicans failed to have legislation close to ready, in fact they even failed to have any coherent policy positions. But the reason you give is comical, that they didn't bother because they didn't think they'd need.
This isn't a bunch of c students at a party college, blowing off writing their talk because hopefully the tutor won't call on them to present in the next tutorial.
whembly wrote: Here's what I said:
They've defended it for being the best thing ever... so, if it's so great, what is there to fix?
A) all they do is defend it.
Your nonsense is made clear by your own post. You said 'defend it for being the best thing ever'... and then you point out Democrats defend ACA. Notice what's fething missing from the second bit? The 'as the best thing ever' bit. What does that tell you?
B) there are issues with the PPACA... so, where's their plans? Do they really acknowledge that there are real problems?
There is plenty of talk among the pundit class that ACA could be strengthened with increased subsidies in some areas, and a higher individual mandate. There's also talk of strengthening s1333, to better encourage cross state plans, so that maybe it might actually happen.
I can't see any of that happening, to be honest.
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whembly wrote: You simply can't ignore that Democrats objected to any means to change/repeal/tweak the ACA if it comes from Republicans. They may acquiesce in the future since Obama isn't in office any more... *Shrug*
What Democrats want is a strengthening of the core elements of ACA. Greater subsidies, a larger mandate. What Republicans want is to remove those things, or strip them down to an absolute minimum. The idea of that the two parties should be expected to find a common ground there is silly. That you would take it one step further and somehow blame Democrats for that absence of common ground isn't just silly, its downright absurd.
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Gordon Shumway wrote: So what tweaks did they offer up to improve the bill in the six years Obama was in office after it passed? All I saw were the 27? Bills put forward to repeal, knowing full well they would have gotten vetoed. They now have the floor. How many repeal bills have been put forward? Zero. They put a lame Frankenstein amendment monster up. And they themselves killed it. They have no interest whatsoever in trying to craft any sort of healthcare law. They don't care about it at all. They care that they could use it as a boogieman to really really gullible people to try to get votes.
Oh, Republicans did care. They cared that the subsidies that expanded medicaid and allowed millions to afford insurance came from raising taxes on rich people. That's why Ryan's bill was all about reversing every single one of those taxes and then some, offset by a gutting of medicaid funding and the insurance subsidy scheme. That 24 million would have lost coverage is besides the point. The tax increases must be reversed.
Remember when Republicans got so fething angry about ACA passing. They were angry that it was 'rushed' through in 13 months. Well they tried to get their own bill through the house in 21 days. They were angry about ACA creating this imminent death spiral because sick people could get insurance after they found out they were sick. This bill kept that, and actually weakened the protections against the death spiral, by removing the individual mandate. They were angry about government setting minimum insurance conditions. This bill didn't even address those. They were angry about death panels. That was a stupid lie that no-one ever actually believed.
It turns out all those things Republicans claimed they were angry about with ACA were all lies. What Republicans were really angry about was that the increase in insurance coverage was going to be paid for by taxes on rich people.
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Rosebuddy wrote: One problem is that the ACA only mandates private insurance, and doesn't actually guarantee healthcare. Without strong price controls and demands on coverage you can end up with huge deductibles and little to show for it.
Actually, ACA places strict controls on what must be covered in plans at a bare minimum. And the subsidy scheme is set so that the out of pocket for the consumer has a hard ceiling as a % of their income, so no matter what the private insurer is charging, the individual cannot be priced out of the market.
The private insurer is also unable to price gouge within a single market, because they are required to spend 85% of the revenue taken on medical costs.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
4. Update HITECH so that it doesn't create a mandate – these laws have created unnecessary and burdensome regulation and red tape that have been putting doctors out of business.
5. Promote charity care with enticing tax incentives to providers.
6. Protect doctors and patients from having to participate in treatments that violates their conscience.
7. Protect doctors from predatory specialty societies who have colluded with hospitals and insurance companies and force them to pay money to “maintain their certification” (MOC) as conditions to work treating patients. It's absolutely getting bonkers...
8. Repeal Certificate of Need (Thanks Tricky Dicky!) laws to foster competition/innovation.
9. Meaningful Tort Reform which would put an end to “defensive medicine”.
10. Encourage more co-opt by like services/industry. Can you imagine what kind of insurance the AARP (30million folks) could be tailored?
11. Allow / Encourage hospitals across the region to "band together" with other independent health services (lab / mri / supplies / etc...) to form an ACO, which allows people to pay w/o traditional insurance company in the middle.
There are plenty of other ideas that's the floating around for years.
Had a turnout of around 110 when we roll called, we picked up most of the supporters around 1pm. No one showed on the left except Antifa and a few people passing. No conflict for us - police apparently had issues with Antifa using smokes, burned a flag, and police pushed a few with bikes. Police were in a great mood, we spoke to the chief inspector a few times - I'm just happy they let us march. We passed out radios and made it as organized as possible. We also had an Imperium of Man Flag and we saw a Black Legion / Chaos flag over in Antifa.
Jon Snow was great! The left's chants were mostly "SHAME SHAME" or the "'No Trump! No KKK! No fascist USA" over and over.
We had a lovely dog named Sasha that rolled with us
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-- her diction/delivery is really weird. Is that a melange of accents & class or just too much plastic surgery ?
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https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
I've read it a few times and still not sure what it is trying to be said. It seems like a random spattering of words and images with the word Antifa popping up a few times. Why does it seem like the kind of post you'd see on 4chan by someone who frequents Stormfront? Whole thing is very bizarre. I suppose it could be satire but it doesn't seem to work as satire or as a serious post.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
Ahtman wrote: I've read it a few times and still not sure what it is trying to be said. It seems like a random spattering of words and images with the word Antifa popping up a few times. Why does it seem like the kind of post you'd see on 4chan by someone who frequents Stormfront? Whole thing is very bizarre. I suppose it could be satire but it doesn't seem to work as satire or as a serious post.
Yeah, I've been trying to decipher it as well.
About the only thing I can get is that "Welp, guess I can't wear my Guard shirt anymore..." since these schmucks are still trying to coopt the Imperium of Man/Emperor for Cheeto.
Ahtman wrote: I've read it a few times and still not sure what it is trying to be said. It seems like a random spattering of words and images with the word Antifa popping up a few times. Why does it seem like the kind of post you'd see on 4chan by someone who frequents Stormfront? Whole thing is very bizarre. I suppose it could be satire but it doesn't seem to work as satire or as a serious post.
He's talking about the pro-Trump protest (rally?) in Philadelphia yesterday. Dozens of people dribbled out into the street.
Here's a better image:
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reds8n wrote: -- her diction/delivery is really weird. Is that a melange of accents & class or just too much plastic surgery ?
I wonder if it's just an adopted affectation for radio shows - I don't listen to Alex Jones normally but that sounds sort of like the snippets of what I've heard.
She is local to where I grew up, and back when she was just running for District Attorney, she definitely didn't speak like this.
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Ouze wrote: I don't listen to Alex Jones normally but that sounds sort of like the snippets of what I've heard.
I'm sure there's a healthy amount overlap between the two audiences.
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Ahtman wrote: I've read it a few times and still not sure what it is trying to be said. It seems like a random spattering of words and images with the word Antifa popping up a few times. Why does it seem like the kind of post you'd see on 4chan by someone who frequents Stormfront? Whole thing is very bizarre. I suppose it could be satire but it doesn't seem to work as satire or as a serious post.
Yeah, I've been trying to decipher it as well.
About the only thing I can get is that "Welp, guess I can't wear my Guard shirt anymore..." since these schmucks are still trying to coopt the Imperium of Man/Emperor for Cheeto.
And now we know why the Gathering Storm had to happen lol.
If we are still on the Ryan Care I have a good anecdote..
I recently got hired, went through a rigorous background check, an expensive fingerprint service and health check.
Then im waiting for my starting kit. waiting nearly a week. Then I find out.......if Ryan Care passed, I would have not been hired(Including not reimbursed for the 100$+ i spent on the above) Because it would have completely underfunded the place I wanted to work. I would be working with kids with Autism teaching them basic life skills using ABa therapy.
Just thought its funny that, the party that wants people to go get a job and work, almost cost me one.
hotsauceman1 wrote: If we are still on the Ryan Care I have a good anecdote..
I recently got hired, went through a rigorous background check, an expensive fingerprint service and health check.
Then im waiting for my starting kit. waiting nearly a week. Then I find out.......if Ryan Care passed, I would have not been hired(Including not reimbursed for the 100$+ i spent on the above) Because it would have completely underfunded the place I wanted to work. I would be working with kids with Autism teaching them basic life skills using ABa therapy.
Just thought its funny that, the party that wants people to go get a job and work, almost cost me one.
They really aren't the party that wants people to get jobs and go to work, they're the party that thinks none of that is they're business to do anything about, that anything they have to contribute to helping is theft from them, and it's your fault if it's not working out for you.
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So what your saying is that the republican party uses the narritive of "Jobs" and wanting people to get jobs to sucker in the working class into voting for them all the while taking jobs away from people and then blaming those jobless for all the Ills of america?
hotsauceman1 wrote: So what your saying is that the republican party uses the narritive of "Jobs" and wanting people to get jobs to sucker in the working class into voting for them all the while taking jobs away from people and then blaming those jobless for all the Ills of america?
Now you get it! Make America (The Rich) great (Richer) again!
sebster wrote:What Democrats want is a strengthening of the core elements of ACA. Greater subsidies, a larger mandate. What Republicans want is to remove those things, or strip them down to an absolute minimum. The idea of that the two parties should be expected to find a common ground there is silly. That you would take it one step further and somehow blame Democrats for that absence of common ground isn't just silly, its downright absurd.
What the Democrats really wanted was so far away from the ACA that the ACA is already the grumblingly acceptable common ground for them. Similar ideas were once called Romneycare and the Republicans were okay-ish with that and the Democrats accepted that and pushed it through because it was better than what existed before. (the ACA saves over 30.000 lives more per year than the old system). They shouldn't even consider finding "new" common ground that the Republicans like more than the status quo right now, that would be ridiculous. You don't negotiate (successfully) by giving in to all demands over time. If the Republicans want to burn it all down the Democrats should oppose them instead of weakly protesting before caving in to their demands.
“Let's burn all the mutants, even the untainted by chaos ones!”
Somehow I'm not surprised…
Eh, the guy who brought it is a huge 40k nerd and was quoting the imperial guard primer more as a troll
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Ahtman wrote: I've read it a few times and still not sure what it is trying to be said. It seems like a random spattering of words and images with the word Antifa popping up a few times. Why does it seem like the kind of post you'd see on 4chan by someone who frequents Stormfront? Whole thing is very bizarre. I suppose it could be satire but it doesn't seem to work as satire or as a serious post.
It was the Philadelphia MAGA March. Is stormfront the 4chan guys? They showed up wearing anime shirts and holding gallons of milk and pepe signs.
It was a serious post Ahtman, I had a fething blast. It felt good to be part of this country.
Ahtman wrote: I've read it a few times and still not sure what it is trying to be said. It seems like a random spattering of words and images with the word Antifa popping up a few times. Why does it seem like the kind of post you'd see on 4chan by someone who frequents Stormfront? Whole thing is very bizarre. I suppose it could be satire but it doesn't seem to work as satire or as a serious post.
He's talking about the pro-Trump protest (rally?) in Philadelphia yesterday. Dozens of people dribbled out into the street.
Here's a better image
Yeah that was setting up. We roll called a few times and marched around 2:30 (our permit was 11:30-1:30 and then we would march to the Art Museum). That was early morning, we had maybe 50~ there before 1:30.
We looped around city hall, antifa engaged with the police and we couldn't advance. We left and hit the bars
Shoutout to Irish Times - great bar in Philadelphia. We went there after wards. We also went over to Aston Cigar Bar with a few guys - super pro trump place. Actually had more fun here than the inauguration
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"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
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Im no Trump fan but... He went to a rally and posted about it in a politics thread, hardly a justification for being so abrasive. There's nothing to be gained by treating all Trump supporters as bad people.
Unless, of course, he/she/it thinks that all Trump supporters ARE bad people, in which case satisfaction is gained. Doesn't make it "right", just makes it human nature...
It was the Philadelphia MAGA March. Is stormfront the 4chan guys? They showed up wearing anime shirts and holding gallons of milk and pepe signs.
Stormfront is a white supremacist forum. They aren't particularly...pleasant. They aren't related to 4chan, but I wouldn't be surprised if some posters on /pol/ (4chan's politically incorrect board) frequents Stormfront.
That's not to say all of them do, or that everyone on 4chan is on stormfront, its just that /pol/ tends to attract those types.
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NinthMusketeer wrote: Im no Trump fan but... He went to a rally and posted about it in a politics thread, hardly a justification for being so abrasive.
But Stormfront IS a racist website.
And I didn't treat him as a bad person…
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
It was the Philadelphia MAGA March. Is stormfront the 4chan guys? They showed up wearing anime shirts and holding gallons of milk and pepe signs.
Stormfront is a white supremacist forum. They aren't particularly...pleasant. They aren't related to 4chan, but I wouldn't be surprised if some posters on /pol/ (4chan's politically incorrect board) frequents Stormfront.
That's not to say all of them do, or that everyone on 4chan is on stormfront, its just that /pol/ tends to attract those types.
I was looking for a Storm Lake barrel once and this came up. YIKES!
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jreilly89 wrote: Wait, was someone seriously defending Stormfront? Or just ignorant?
Not me. I will defend Storm Lake barrels though. Do not mess with someone with a fitted barrel.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
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Stevefamine didn't know who they were and confused them with “the 4chan guys”.
"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
Stevefamine wrote: It was the Philadelphia MAGA March. Is stormfront the 4chan guys? They showed up wearing anime shirts and holding gallons of milk and pepe signs.
Milk recently and hopefully briefly became a fad among nazis because, man, idk, it's white and white people are less like to be lactose intolerant.
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