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BDBurrow wrote:
 Tomsug wrote:


For example - Want to do Octarius data with one unit twice? Need to move your units from wholy within to wholy within over 12” gap. Stormboyz have 12” move. 3” plus makes it possible.



I'm not following this. You can't perform actions while inside of a trukk.


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BDBurrow wrote:
You can only fit 6 jump pack models in a trukk, and there's a unit of 10 boyz sitting around doing nothing if that's the case. IMO the boyz go in the trukk or else they would be grots.


i mean you are entitled to your opinion, but there was an interview on frontline gaming about his army (40k stat center) and his unit of stormboyz in a trukk had surprising range and did good work in denying points. He did manage to do quite well vs unnerfed DE in a high level tournament way better than either of us is doing so while i agree its probably not how i would play in a fun game its worth considering for tournaments as a long range point denial unit


Do you have a link to this video?


Sure it's at around the 41 min mark

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So the stormboyz are never at any point being transported up the table. He's just using the trukk for the extra 3" disembark like Tomsug suggested. At which point, the unit of 10 boyz is likely jumping in for your standard trukk boyz unit.
   
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i would have to find some games to be sure but the way he describes it i am not seeing it as just getting the extra 3 inches from disembark. though admitadly it also could be, he just mentions them as in the truck then "zooming out of the truck" my mind interprets this as probably advance turn 1 in the trukk to get where needed to have that metal box of protection so they don't get deleted

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BDBurrow wrote:
So the stormboyz are never at any point being transported up the table. He's just using the trukk for the extra 3" disembark like Tomsug suggested. At which point, the unit of 10 boyz is likely jumping in for your standard trukk boyz unit.


Not exactly. This is just one option. You can move them in the trukk and do something like this in another turn. As I said, 12-14” is a magic distance. Stormboyz alone are under the line. Putting them in the trukk solve this movement problem + give them protection they need + allows them to make a mess even in T1.

The point is:

Cheap metal protecting box + extra movement + new secondaries = nasty VP scoring tricks in W40 9.1

You know… Trukk with the MANz or Tankbustas is an obvious target. Trukk with 5 Stormboyz? Pffff who cares…. Anybody who sees how 9.1 works! I ' m not sure I “see” but I feel, that such small fast obsec bastards can change the game. And it' s valid vice versa - I gonna kill any of such units in opponents army as soon possible.

Do you know what makes my buggy list suffer? 2 units of nurglins or what was it. Deepstriking somehow in T1 or deployment in front of my army few inches in front of me such stupid way, they block my movement. Dense table gives you cover they said. Dense table keep your safe they said. Bloody hell! Dense table allows these bastards to lock me in my deploy! I speak about such way of thinking. I like it. It was clever

Yeah, I ' ve saw the interview and it' s exactly what I said - “Stormboyz have won my games.” he said. Not a specific trick. Just combination of metal box + jetpacks + obsec. And that' s it.

Btw.. does all american ork players looks the same, or is he some famous player? I remeber interview with him from couple of other videos in last few years.

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He’s a pretty well known and long time ork player in the US. He has been on a variety of podcasts.

The stormboyz in a transport was a trick he was pulling back in 8th too I believe.
   
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Well I definitely love the +3'' trick for stormboyz but disagree about the trukk giving them protection.

In the player's list the lone trukk was the only vehicle, mek gunz aside which would likely be far from action and out of range from many weapons. That means that ALL the anti elite/tank with low-mid range (AKA melta and plasma!!!) will target the trukk as Ghaz can only get a few wounds off shooting, and once the vehicle is wrecked the unit is blasted off the table immediately.

Those stormboyz on the other hand are just five dudes, it's extremely easy to hide them by using terrain and they have native high M stat and FLY anyway.

If the trukk moves they can't disembark and if the trukk isn't hidden, which is defintiely harder than hiding 5 infantries, it doesn't give them any protection as it's the only valuable target for the enemy heavy firepower and will likely get destroyed.

 
   
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 Blackie wrote:
Well I definitely love the +3'' trick for stormboyz but disagree about the trukk giving them protection.

In the player's list the lone trukk was the only vehicle, mek gunz aside which would likely be far from action and out of range from many weapons. That means that ALL the anti elite/tank with low-mid range (AKA melta and plasma!!!) will target the trukk as Ghaz can only get a few wounds off shooting, and once the vehicle is wrecked the unit is blasted off the table immediately.

Those stormboyz on the other hand are just five dudes, it's extremely easy to hide them by using terrain and they have native high M stat and FLY anyway.

If the trukk moves they can't disembark and if the trukk isn't hidden, which is defintiely harder than hiding 5 infantries, it doesn't give them any protection as it's the only valuable target for the enemy heavy firepower and will likely get destroyed.


That' s true, but not fully right.

This dude dominated pretty big GT with this trick and defeted 2 drukkari and one deathguard experienced playiers at least. So the question is not “why it cannot work”. The question is, “how does he used them to be so great”.

Obviously, protection is pretty soft. Have to zooming around on the edge of the battle.

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 Tomsug wrote:
BDBurrow wrote:
So the stormboyz are never at any point being transported up the table. He's just using the trukk for the extra 3" disembark like Tomsug suggested. At which point, the unit of 10 boyz is likely jumping in for your standard trukk boyz unit.


Not exactly. This is just one option. You can move them in the trukk and do something like this in another turn. As I said, 12-14” is a magic distance. Stormboyz alone are under the line. Putting them in the trukk solve this movement problem + give them protection they need + allows them to make a mess even in T1.

The point is:

Cheap metal protecting box + extra movement + new secondaries = nasty VP scoring tricks in W40 9.1

You know… Trukk with the MANz or Tankbustas is an obvious target. Trukk with 5 Stormboyz? Pffff who cares…. Anybody who sees how 9.1 works! I ' m not sure I “see” but I feel, that such small fast obsec bastards can change the game. And it' s valid vice versa - I gonna kill any of such units in opponents army as soon possible.

Do you know what makes my buggy list suffer? 2 units of nurglins or what was it. Deepstriking somehow in T1 or deployment in front of my army few inches in front of me such stupid way, they block my movement. Dense table gives you cover they said. Dense table keep your safe they said. Bloody hell! Dense table allows these bastards to lock me in my deploy! I speak about such way of thinking. I like it. It was clever

Yeah, I ' ve saw the interview and it' s exactly what I said - “Stormboyz have won my games.” he said. Not a specific trick. Just combination of metal box + jetpacks + obsec. And that' s it.

Btw.. does all american ork players looks the same, or is he some famous player? I remeber interview with him from couple of other videos in last few years.


on do all american ork players look like that... look we know what physical perfection looks like, we see it in the ork codex :0. that said i mean he kind of looks like a typical middleage american to me, not many people i know after age 40 go to the gym regularly. Some do but its a pretty small segment of the population.
   
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 G00fySmiley wrote:

on do all american ork players look like that... look we know what physical perfection looks like, we see it in the ork codex :0. that said i mean he kind of looks like a typical middleage american to me, not many people i know after age 40 go to the gym regularly. Some do but its a pretty small segment of the population.


He seems to be a good buddy for a beer. I like the way how he speaks.
   
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I hope for our next codex, abilities that hit only vehicles, like Tankbustas ability to reroll, gets updated to also work against Monsters.

It seems silly that tankbustas should be universally worse against tyranid armies and primarch daemons like magnus, than knights.

They are anti T8 units, whether its a monster or vehicle shouldnt matter. Its not like the missiles they fire are heat seeking anyway or magnetic.

Or wreckers stratagem for deathskulls. Why wouldnt this incorporate monsters?

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Ha! Codex in July!

I hope the delivery would be in Orktober, otherwise my whole concept of Orktober would be broken:(
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Wtf, ork codex in july? but the ork boxes for beast snaggas would come with a codex, and that should arrive BEFORE the codex could be bought alone?

This cant be right. Or shouldnt be. the Beastsnagga box would then arrive earlier in july and the codex late july?

It should be able to preorder in july only.. Something seems wrong.

but hey if they speed things along im not complaining. we're almost in july and they havent showed off a ton of the models yet so my time table cant make that information fit with them releasing a bunch of ork models before the codex in july.


But it would appear that this fellow is also in the new patrol box for beast snaggas along the codex. Im not complaining there.

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Beardedragon wrote:
Wtf, ork codex in july? but the ork boxes for beast snaggas would come with a codex, and that should arrive BEFORE the codex could be bought alone?

This cant be right. Or shouldnt be. the Beastsnagga box would then arrive earlier in july and the codex late july?

It should be able to preorder in july only.. Something seems wrong.

but hey if they speed things along im not complaining. we're almost in july and they havent showed off a ton of the models yet so my time table cant make that information fit with them releasing a bunch of ork models before the codex in july.


But it would appear that this fellow is also in the new patrol box for beast snaggas along the codex. Im not complaining there.


Yaeh, makes sence. Pre-order of the box in July, but it comes in Orktober. And the Codex alone will be available in September so those, who buy the box to get the codex early, would have them later. It makes absolutely sence.

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i mean.. I dont get it but sure. If the box comes out in july and we havent even seen a lot of the new ork models, sure i guess xD

Im up for it.


Ill totally pre order the new ork box in july and get it, in july

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So I've been playing in a local crusade league running an infantry heavy deffskullz army and having a ton of fun. One thing I love about crusade is an unlimited amount of warlord traits and relics. I've been able to try out all kinds of goodies that I don't normally run. A few notes;

1) Headwoppas Killchoppa is actually pretty good on the biker boss. He absolutely eats through storm shields. He has the might is right WT and da biggest boss, giving him 7 attacks, hitting on 2s (1 reroll), strength 9 so for this example wounding on 2s (1 reroll) with 6s causing 2 MWs, AP -2 which is optimal against storm shields. The 2 damage could be better but the MWs help with that. He's been an absolute beast so far. I might like it better than the brutal but kunnin / killsaw option.

2) kunnin but brutal is so underrated. I'm running it on my weirdboy with maniacal seizures and warpath so I can effectively deploy as if I'm going 2nd and then redeploy D3 units + weirdboy into a more offensive position if I win 1st turn. Depending on the matchup, that could be a big blog of Boyz and warboss, or some deff dreads with KMBs.

Anyway, having fun with crusade. Anyone else have some crusade experiences to share?
   
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BDBurrow wrote:
So I've been playing in a local crusade league running an infantry heavy deffskullz army and having a ton of fun. One thing I love about crusade is an unlimited amount of warlord traits and relics. I've been able to try out all kinds of goodies that I don't normally run. A few notes;

1) Headwoppas Killchoppa is actually pretty good on the biker boss. He absolutely eats through storm shields. He has the might is right WT and da biggest boss, giving him 7 attacks, hitting on 2s (1 reroll), strength 9 so for this example wounding on 2s (1 reroll) with 6s causing 2 MWs, AP -2 which is optimal against storm shields. The 2 damage could be better but the MWs help with that. He's been an absolute beast so far. I might like it better than the brutal but kunnin / killsaw option.

2) kunnin but brutal is so underrated. I'm running it on my weirdboy with maniacal seizures and warpath so I can effectively deploy as if I'm going 2nd and then redeploy D3 units + weirdboy into a more offensive position if I win 1st turn. Depending on the matchup, that could be a big blog of Boyz and warboss, or some deff dreads with KMBs.

Anyway, having fun with crusade. Anyone else have some crusade experiences to share?


Awesome to hear you're having fun with crusade! That's actually one of the other things I'm looking forward to in our new Ork codex is more faction specific goodies for us to play with. Unfortunately, I haven't had a chance to do any since the pandemic started, but I feel like its one of the areas where we can play a lot more in terms of unconventional builds like yours since it isn't as cuthroat compared to matched play.
   
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Beardedragon wrote:
Wtf, ork codex in july? but the ork boxes for beast snaggas would come with a codex, and that should arrive BEFORE the codex could be bought alone?

This cant be right. Or shouldnt be. the Beastsnagga box would then arrive earlier in july and the codex late july?

It should be able to preorder in july only.. Something seems wrong.

but hey if they speed things along im not complaining. we're almost in july and they havent showed off a ton of the models yet so my time table cant make that information fit with them releasing a bunch of ork models before the codex in july.


But it would appear that this fellow is also in the new patrol box for beast snaggas along the codex. Im not complaining there.


there were some rumors of an imperial guard/ ork box with the gaunts ghost and new guardsman with the new ork and guard stuff in one. maybe they will have both cedexes in there. Wishlisting here, but if GW is starting a trend of the codex in the start collecting boxes would be cool. honestly it would make sense as they get more $ and people would likely elect to spend more for a discount on models and getting the book each edition

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 Tomsug wrote:
Ha! Codex in July!

I hope the delivery would be in Orktober, otherwise my whole concept of Orktober would be broken:(


To me that sounds like they are pulling the same thing as with SoB again - codex only for those who buy the box, real release months later.

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Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks do not think that purple makes them harder to see. They do think that camouflage does however, without knowing why.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
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Pfft orktober is a fan thing anyway.
Every time GW has mentioned it they were laughably late.

Even Kromlech does a far better job at Orktober than GW does.

An ork with an idea tends to end with a bang.

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So gutted in away with work so of July and early August! Hopefully my wife can pick me up a box. Anyway we all know that codexes are easily accessible in the dark corners of the web anyway so it's not like we won't at least have the rules to play with.
   
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 Vineheart01 wrote:
Pfft orktober is a fan thing anyway.
Every time GW has mentioned it they were laughably late.

Even Kromlech does a far better job at Orktober than GW does.


When they called it Orktober officialy - with the buggies - they made preorder 29th of Orktober so you recieved it in December.

Now nobody speaks about it, so I hope, they hit the right month.



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So gutted in away with work so of July and early August! Hopefully my wife can pick me up a box. Anyway we all know that codexes are easily accessible in the dark corners of the web anyway so it's not like we won't at least have the rules to play with.


Hmm you mean - waste the energy everybody wants to buy the book (shut up and take my money wave) and postpone the sell of the codex alone for few months to let everybody desperately looking for stats in Battlescribe, print the bad photos of datasheet from handy or simply use some notoriously known pages with the rules up-to date ?

It makes no sence. So it could be true

Oh, maybe I get it. GW used to have some official app with the rules. Maybe they want to promote it this way. Does it even exist? Does anybody use it btw.?

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Well, I haven't entered the code from any of my books into the app so far

7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks do not think that purple makes them harder to see. They do think that camouflage does however, without knowing why.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. 
   
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 Jidmah wrote:
Well, I haven't entered the code from any of my books into the app so far


My gripe is that you have to pay a monthly subscription for the app, just feels like you are getting fleeced since you still need to buy the codex to access it digitally.

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 DrGiggles wrote:
 Jidmah wrote:
Well, I haven't entered the code from any of my books into the app so far


My gripe is that you have to pay a monthly subscription for the app, just feels like you are getting fleeced since you still need to buy the codex to access it digitally.


All morality issues aside - the 40k app doesn't provide me with anything I need, so I'm not using it. When using three different third party tools is vastly superior to your one tool, you messed up big time as a software developer.

7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks do not think that purple makes them harder to see. They do think that camouflage does however, without knowing why.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. 
   
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 Jidmah wrote:
 DrGiggles wrote:
 Jidmah wrote:
Well, I haven't entered the code from any of my books into the app so far


My gripe is that you have to pay a monthly subscription for the app, just feels like you are getting fleeced since you still need to buy the codex to access it digitally.


All morality issues aside - the 40k app doesn't provide me with anything I need, so I'm not using it. When using three different third party tools is vastly superior to your one tool, you messed up big time as a software developer.


For real though, I'd like to see how much money they've actually dumped into the app, because it's giving me flashbacks of when GW proudly announced their overhauled website which was managed by Kirby's wife and it seemed like it was just an excuse to funnel more money down the CEO's way from the company.
   
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Yeah its pretty insulting when an app has a subscription cost AND additional fees.
If youre gonna charge for the rules individually the app theyre hosted on should be free.

Thats why i refuse to use it.

For some reason the AoS one has all the unit rules in it for free, its the battalions and faction-specific rules that arent free (such as army-wide bonuses or relics or traits).

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I mean. Im not even sure why i shouldnt just run battlescribe and use my internet service on my phone to check wahapedia when i need

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Beardedragon wrote:
I mean. Im not even sure why i shouldnt just run battlescribe and use my internet service on my phone to check wahapedia when i need


Pretty much. If there's one thing we Ork players know about, it's how to be a miserly Freeboota!
   
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 Grimskul wrote:
 Jidmah wrote:
 DrGiggles wrote:
 Jidmah wrote:
Well, I haven't entered the code from any of my books into the app so far


My gripe is that you have to pay a monthly subscription for the app, just feels like you are getting fleeced since you still need to buy the codex to access it digitally.


All morality issues aside - the 40k app doesn't provide me with anything I need, so I'm not using it. When using three different third party tools is vastly superior to your one tool, you messed up big time as a software developer.


For real though, I'd like to see how much money they've actually dumped into the app, because it's giving me flashbacks of when GW proudly announced their overhauled website which was managed by Kirby's wife and it seemed like it was just an excuse to funnel more money down the CEO's way from the company.


I design software for a living and am involved projects very similar as GWs store and app regularly, since that is pretty much what every company wants and needs. That said, neither the costs of the web store nor the failure of the app project are something particularly unique to GW. It's just what happens when you are trying to get software build for your when you have no clue how that works.

For every big company that doesn't have a natural affinity for the digital world, it goes through the same steps:
The web store was the first project, where they just hired the all-inclusive service where they got handed the finished project in the end, among with a gigantic bill.
For the second project, the app, they'll do everything much better, by hiring a developer studio and telling them personally what do to. This results in an app that no one actually needs, because the project manager doesn't actually have a clue how to build software.
For the third project then they start hiring their own software development team, because they came to the conclusion only the company knows what the company wants. The success varies wildly on the company culture - so expect a software on the same level as all the other products

And I'm not even assuming on the third part - just look at what GW is currently hiring

Also please keep in mind that dakka does have a rather strickt policy on piracy. Mods don't come down here unless called, but let's still honor their whishes - after all, we Iz gitz of kulture, ain't we?

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7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks do not think that purple makes them harder to see. They do think that camouflage does however, without knowing why.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. 
   
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on the app ... yea if GW made the monthly fee include updating codexes i would happily pay for it and pay more than they currently charge, as it stands i don't see the value.

As for the codex I will grab the box set as soon as i can with the codex... and maybe some charming intelligent Mal'al worshiper will frantically stay up to update battlescribe files as quick as their little typo prone fingers can manage

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