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I'm starting up a BA army, but am not sure how to go about it. So if anyone could suggest a list, that'd be nice.


I've got all the special characters except Dante.
No assault squads or sanguinary guard.
No Stormravens.
No Rhinos/Razorbacks/Drop Pods.
2 Furioso Dreds.
1 LRC.
1 Baal Predator.
1 Predator.
No budget for new units.

What I'd like is a large core of Terminators (either type) and Tactical Squads. Something shooty but aggressive is ideal. I would like to use both Tycho and Mephiston in the list.
2500 points is the norm out here, so that us the list size I'm looking for.

Well as a new BA player myself I'd say are you sure you want tacs? Granted they don't need jump packs but with Assault Marines you get a price drop for dedicated vehicles and 2 special weapons. Then again you say you want a core of terminators and tacs with no budget for buying them sooo...

I guess AoBR guys are still on ebay and cheap, there's 10 man squads and terminators in there. No scrapping off the DA iconography in the newer starter set. Also the Swap Shop here has some good deals from people when you can find it. Keep an eye open for them and you'll find your 'core'.

As for the list flip through the codex and as a personal rule I have troops for every 500 points so 2500 would be 5...maybe 3-4 tac troops and 2 10 man units of terminators and flavor the list with toys as needed?

Mephiston

Tycho
tac squad with locator beacon
LRC

tac plasma/pc

tac flamer/ML

elites are tight
10 term (CML if you can fit)
10 term (ditto)
I wouldn't use the furioso dread (if you can in a pod with locator beacon) but rather
2 sanguinary priests with a tac squad,terminator armor to DS with one squad


predators...

sounds close to 2200 unless I really messed up. Though the lack of vehicles really shows this is more foot based meaning the LRC and dread(s) will garner all the AT weapons. Again I would look into making the tacs into assault marines and using a more up close and personal 2 special weapons. Granted you asked what list with a core of tac and terms so there you go.

BAs strenght isn't in their tac squad (for troops), it's the fact that you can have assault marines as troops and as mrwhoop said, you have a price drop on transport.

If you really want a dedicated termie-tac army, go DAs since you can get termies as troops.

Now BA style, the first problem I see with what you have and what you want (big core of termie) is that you already have 2 elites slots taken and having a 10 man squad of termie isn't really good as they will tend to overkill what they attack (and it's a death star, specially if you mix them up with your LR). My experience with LR-termie deathstar is that the LR will more often then not be shot down really fast (and i'm an ork) and then the termies will be on foot which is not good for you.

Now, heavy support, you already have one taken (Predator), the LR will (really really really should be taken) as a dedicated transport for your termies. Here is a solution if you want to use your dreads but want a lot of termies: use your furiosos as normal dreads, that way you have all your elite slots freed up for 3x5 termie squads or 2 squad of termies and 1 of sang priest. Add in some razor backs with Tacs/assault (take assault IMO) and you got a good mechanised force.

Now list wise, since you really want termies and tacs:

2000 (I don't see mass termies working under that point cost)

HQ (125)
Librarian use mephiston as proxy - 125
- termie armor
- sang shield and blood lance

TROOPS (360)
Tac Squad - 180
- razorBack (twin-linked Lascannon)
Tac Squad - 180
- razorBack (twin-linked Lascannon)

ELITES (1110)
Assault Termies - 470
- 2 TH/SS
- LRC (with multiMelta)
Assault Termies - 470
- 2 TH/SS
- LRC (with multiMelta)
Sang Priest x 2 - 170
- Termie armor

HEAVY SUPPORT (350)
Predator - 100
- Heavy bolters
Dreadnought -125
-extra heavy flamer
Dreadnought -125
-extra heavy flamer

FAST ATTACK (145)
Baal Predator -145
- Heavy bolter

That ends up at 2090 points, removing the ball predator or the predator will give you a close to 2k points list.

The logic behind it:
Razor back and landraiders will be able to shoot down vehicles.
LR and predator can chew infantry.
Dreadnought, I tried to make them as close as possible to what a furioso usually has (for easier proxies)
Small tac squads because you need two troop slot (and termies costs a lot)
Termie armor is a must IMO, that way if your Librarian or sang priest get challenged, they will ahve a way bigger chance of surviving (sang priest are a must IMO, FNP + 2+ armor is deadly)
Landraiders are a must except if you want to deep strike, if you want to deep strike, go with tactical terminators since you cannot assault on the same turn that you DP.
Landraiders in the middle, flank with dreads and razor back, this will force your opponent to split is fire. Two LR with close to the same things inside will make it harder to target prioritise one LR over the other.
Sang shield is a must for that 5+ cover save over your LR.
Mephiston should be a good proxy for a termie librarian since the model is badass and the guy already has a 2+ armor save on paper.

This is as clsoe as I could get with a list that might work with what you asked. I would rethink the tac squad part though for BAs.

I sometimes play with tactical squads, if on foot march up the board rapid firing then charge what's left over. If you mount up in rhinos speed forwards jump out, rapid fire and assault whats left over(after waiting a turn).
I have to agree though assault squads are the best thing.

Derp I forgot that at 2k+ you double the FOC so since you have 2 HQs you could just add another tac squad (up to 4 now) and then have units of two terminators, 2 furiosos and some sanguinary priests.

You can try for 10 man terminator squads or lower until you fit in at 2500. I think getting drop pods with locator beacons is a must so a terminator squad can DS in. This may help the list be playable as you force your opponent to choose the LR a turn or two away vs 2 furiosos plus 2+ marines in his back yard.

How many termies and tac models do you have? Also, what special weapons do the termies and tac squad have, and what combat weapons are available for termies and tac sarges?

If you have a wealth of missiles for power armor then those tac squads can serve as devestators.

Depending on loadout you can also run the termies and tac models as wolf guard and grey Hunters. Are you completely set on blood angels?

DevianID wrote:
How many termies and tac models do you have? Also, what special weapons do the termies and tac squad have, and what combat weapons are available for termies and tac sarges?

If you have a wealth of missiles for power armor then those tac squads can serve as devestators.

Depending on loadout you can also run the termies and tac models as wolf guard and grey Hunters. Are you completely set on blood angels?

7 Tactical squads, flamers and plasma.
10 missiles, 9 plasma cannons, 3 lascannons, 1 heavy bolter, 1 multimelta.

5 TH/SS, 5 LC, 25 PF/SB, Terminator Chaplain, Terminator Librarian.

I'm not set on using the ironclads.
I appreciate the value of Assault Squads, but what I have is what I have (I'm not picking new things up at all).

And I would like to play BA, not SW, and already play DA. I don't plan on using BA as an uber-competitive list, mainly for fun in friendly 2500pt games.

The list I'm thinking of currently is:
Mephiston
Captain Tycho
6x Tactical Squads
Corbulo
10 assault termies 5 hammer 5 claw
LRC
2x Baal Predators
Should be about 2500

I'd like to give each tactical squad a sanguinary priest, just don't have then models yet.
Any thoughts?

I am not a fan of Mephiston any more. I think the FAQ and ap3 combined to significantly weaken him. Tough to deal with 2+ saves on an uber character cutting mephys assault ability to almost nothing.

What about running 10 death company with bolters? This lets you take the dreads as dc dreads, and gives you a good combat squad with no sarges to challenge out. Plus relentless bolters!

That frees up your elites for termies in a land raider, 10 foot termies with a pair of cyclone launchers and a divination Libby, and you can run both your predators as is with 2 missile launcher dev squads to round out your shooting.

You need to add one tac squad to score home base objectives, but really since you have no mobility elements one tac squad will actually do you fine for objective games. I would focus on denial, warlord, line breaker and first blood as your means for victory, as in my opinion since you have no transports or jump packs all more scoring tactical squads are going to do is cut into your killing potential.

Of the top of my head a combipred and 2 missile dev squads run about 400, 700 more for 10 dc with 2 fists and 2 dc dreads and 1 tac squad, 100 for a Libby, 500 for the cyclone termies with a priest, 600 for the lrc loaded with termies, and the Baal pred to round things out. Advance the dreads behind the lrc for cover, and advance with the cyclone termies and dc on the flanks of the lrc.

Now, if you are taking 2 force org charts at 2500 I suppose things would have to change, but that build should be fun and Killy enough for one force org considering your constraints while also using most of your models.

Taking the advice on Death Company and against lots of tactical squads, I've come up with this:

250 Mephiston
175 Tycho
170 Tactical squad, flamer, missile
170 Tactical squad, flamer, missile
350 Death Company(10), Lemartes
125 Death Company Dreadnaught
125 Death Company Dreadnaught
460 Terminators, 2x Cyclones
145 Baal Predator, heavy bolters
145 Baal Predator, heavy bolters
195 Bike Squad, Attack Bike,    multimelta, 2x plasma guns
190 Cirbulo, Sanguinary priest in terminator armour
Total 2500

Thoughts?

That seems like a really mean list.

This seems pretty good and hard to stop...

Just remember to not put mephiston against a powerfist and for ultimate gak and giggles, make sure taht he is always in range of a sanguinary priests. Going through T6, 2+ then FNP is going to be hard.