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I was reading an old white dwarf a friend had given me, may 2011, the one where robin cruddace played tomb .kings against adam troke. I was lokking the adams high elves, and I saw something about khaine. Last time I checked khaine waz an eldar god. How does he fit into fantasy and 40k. Is he still khaine the bloody handed in fantasy?

Like the Chaos Gods, when GW created 40K, Khaine was carried across from the Elves to the Eldar background.

And by that he serves as another drop of oil to the campfire of "warhammer fantasy and warhammer 40k are the same setting on a different point in time"

Yes, there is quite a bit of slop across the pantheon of Elven gods and Eldar gods. Isha is a longstanding one I can think of right off the bat. I think Vaul, too, maybe?

Isn't there a book or something where a space marine hero goes back in time and see's the Empire and speculates on how one of their Emperors has the same name as one of the Imperiums greatest traitors. I remember someone mentioning that once.
The warhammer and 40k setting sa er supposed to be the same, just different time lines. Same gods etc.

There have always been rumors that the Warhammer world exists somewhere in the Imperium, maybe locked away by a warp-storm, which is one that I like to entertain. GW has refuted this, but I argue about several of their ancient Warhammer Chaos models that had WH40K weapons on them, as if they were Space Marines of some sort, and the huge inclusion that every race is mirrored in each universe, all the way down to the Slann and Warp-gates and the Elven, Chaos and Orc gods!

Here is the Lexicanum entry: http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Khaine#.UOJGjGt5mK0

Personally I subscribe to the theory of Khaine and Khorne being one and the same. Both having similar adornments in the finned helmet, both having the element of blood being in their character and that Khaine was cast out from the warp and shattered into pieces where as Khorne is the only Chaos god said to be not wholly present in the warp itself.

The dark elves won.

Seriously, GW merged the elves and dark elves from fantasy to make the Eldar. Dark Eldar are not Dark Elves. They are Eldar who took a different attitude to survive the fall.

In Fantesy, Khaine is possably Khorne under a different name. In 40k this is definitly not the case. Khorne and Khaine are definitly seperate entities. Khaine existed long before Khorne.

 Grey Templar wrote:
In Fantesy, Khaine is possably Khorne under a different name. In 40k this is definitly not the case. Khorne and Khaine are definitly seperate entities. Khaine existed long before Khorne.

Right and Avatars of Khaine are daemons why then?

They are Daemons because how else do you represent a shard of a Warp Entity?

The Eldar Gods were Warp Entities just like the Chaos Gods are. Albiet more benign, being creations of the Old Ones.

Daemon =/= Big 4. There are plenty of unaligned warp beings and lesser powers.


You could look at the Eldar Gods as being older "Chaos Gods" that got nommed by Slannesh. In Khaine's case he got broken into pieces and thrown into reality.

 BoomWolf wrote:
And by that he serves as another drop of oil to the campfire of "warhammer fantasy and warhammer 40k are the same setting on a different point in time"

Not any more, no.

When 40K was first created, they essentially just took Warhammer Fantasy and made it sci fi. To explain the similarities, there was a snippet in one of the Rogue Trader-era publications that mentioned that the Warhammer World was a planet in the 40K galaxy that was isolated from the rest of the galaxy by warp storms. There was also a Siege campaign book that let you cross over the two games.

From 2nd edition onwards though, they have slowly moved to separate the settings, aside from the occasional aberration like Amazons with bolt guns and the Chaos artbook that intermingled the two. The studio have said on more than one occasion over the last 10 or 15 years that while the two were originally linked, they are now considered two separate settings that just happen to still share some common themes.

And one could explain the Chaos Gods being the same with the following.

The Warp is a seperate dimension. Therefore, the Warhammer World and the 40k universe are also seperate dimensions.

The Chaos Gods simply meddle in both dimensions. Which explains why the same characters can appear in Fantesy and 40k(namely the various Daemon SCs)

Alternatively, you could just explain them as similar characters that are being used in two different games.

Well yeah ok, that the real reason. As justification, we have interdimensional crossover.

 Grey Templar wrote:
And one could explain the Chaos Gods being the same with the following.

The Warp is a seperate dimension. Therefore, the Warhammer World and the 40k universe are also seperate dimensions.

The Chaos Gods simply meddle in both dimensions. Which explains why the same characters can appear in Fantesy and 40k(namely the various Daemon SCs)

Out of all of those suggestions, this one seems most plausible.