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The time constraint that some had was probably unavoidable. As mentioned, customs and shipping to the US isn't inconsequential. But also these production cycles are pretty fixed, so even if GW had wanted to get the boxes out earlier and given these painters a bit more of a headstart, they might simply not have been able to. Sad, but it is what it is. I personally don't see it as being down to incompetence on anyones part.
I take the point on american "influencers" having tougher time constraints to paint their stuff up than others may have done but I mean, it's not a personal attack to say I think the paint job on those IWs is a bit weak, it is what it is. Sure he's a lovely guy and a leading light of the community or whatever
Not seeing how it's weak. It's the basic IW scheme, hazards on every model aren't part of that.
The IW are one of the most utilitarian and unadorned Legions as well, it's kind of their deal that they don't care for loads of ornamentation or fancy schemes. I'd say its an accurate representation.
ekwatts wrote: The time constraint that some had was probably unavoidable. As mentioned, customs and shipping to the US isn't inconsequential. But also these production cycles are pretty fixed, so even if GW had wanted to get the boxes out earlier and given these painters a bit more of a headstart, they might simply not have been able to. Sad, but it is what it is. I personally don't see it as being down to incompetence on anyones part.
Even the UK ones seemed very much like "table top standard" rather than "display standard".
Assembling and painting to a mediocre standard might still involve 1 hour per model (which is certainly what I'd call a "speed painted" model), that's 50 hours minimum for the infantry, maybe a couple of hours per character, a few hours for the dread, a few hours for the tank. You'd have to say in the ballpark of 60-80 hours, which is basically 2 weeks working full time for a speed paint job.
It doesn't really bother me and I don't think there's incompetence, but inevitably if they can't get the boxed sets to the community painters a decent amount of time before the deadline all you're going to get is speed painted models and run the risk of them not getting it done at all.
I'm not complaining, my main complaint was that they didn't provide good enough pictures because I'd love to see some of them closer, but maybe they did that because they didn't feel like some of them were good enough quality.
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Gert wrote: Not seeing how it's weak. It's the basic IW scheme, hazards on every model aren't part of that.
The IW are one of the most utilitarian and unadorned Legions as well, it's kind of their deal that they don't care for loads of ornamentation or fancy schemes. I'd say its an accurate representation.
I'm far from an expert painter but in my subjective view they're not good. Leaving components black with no highlight on is a mistake, it would make anything look unfinished. The bases look bad, you can't see the eyes, the bronze is flat. Some weathering and good bases would offset the "creative choice" to make everything flat silver and black, there are ways to do that well.
Have they given an idea as to when the army list books will be out? I can't really decide what legion to work on and the impression that there are enough changes from 1st edition to this one that the articles going by the older lists won't be accurate. I imagine similar but there still seems like some are going to change quite a bit.
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Ahtman wrote: Have they given an idea as to when the army list books will be out? I can't really decide what legion to work on and the impression that there are enough changes from 1st edition to this one that the articles going by the older lists won't be accurate. I imagine similar but there still seems like some are going to change quite a bit.
If you are willing, I would advise looking up leaks - which can be found on 4chan and Bolter and Chainsword. So far, the leaks have been one to one with what we've seen so far - and include pretty extensive accounts of points costs, rites of war, etc. - which are imo a huge help for any prospective player.
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ClockworkZion wrote: Eh, even if I'm not a fan of the paint scheme I have trouble poo-pooing on people's paint jobs. Not all these people were competitive miniature painters after all.
Generally I agree (if Bob wants to show off his guys, I'm not going to wander into P&M and tell him off), but when they're part of a showcase event to show off the legions? That's just weird.
Personally, I like seeing paint jobs that reflect what the average player can actually accomplish, instead of super high detail work that only people with a spare 40 hours a week for painting and ten years experience can do. I thought those IW were pretty good, certainly much better than anything I've painted in the last few years.
ClockworkZion wrote: Eh, even if I'm not a fan of the paint scheme I have trouble poo-pooing on people's paint jobs. Not all these people were competitive miniature painters after all.
Generally I agree (if Bob wants to show off his guys, I'm not going to wander into P&M and tell him off), but when they're part of a showcase event to show off the legions? That's just weird.
Personally, I like seeing paint jobs that reflect what the average player can actually accomplish, instead of super high detail work that only people with a spare 40 hours a week for painting and ten years experience can do. I thought those IW were pretty good, certainly much better than anything I've painted in the last few years.
That's... uh... generous. 'Average players' generally paint the undersuit joints and put a second color on _raised_ tabard and cloak edges without any problems. I've never, in person, (apart from Chapter Gray Plastic or Chapter Spray Primer) seen those done as solid one-colors. That isn't asking a lot of a display army.
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I mean they look a lot like my stuff does. I don't drybrush or highlight my IW and I don't do a different colour for the undersuit, why bother?
The only problem with the MkVI is there is no trim for the bronze so it doesn't have that extra contrast on the shoulder pads. It's not the fault of the painter IMO just how the armour is. The Sergeant with the upgrade pack head looks better but swapping out the MkVI pads for MkIII or even MkIV would allow for the bronze trim to make the model pop that bit more.
Automatically Appended Next Post: So WHW has sent out an email saying that as only the Legion rules will be available for July, people can swap their July event ticket for one dated for November. Seems to suggest that all the HH armies will be available by then which is cool.
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Well I am still on edge should I go for Heresy but one thing I would go for is swapping helmets, all of them. Beakies just don't hit with me for 30k.
And another thing I am considering is making bolts on legs by green stuff. Left, right, both and it should quite easy and fast to make some differences.
And on bare legs you could add some flames or golden engravings.
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It seems like we're getting super close to preorder as I'm actually seeing unboxing videos start to appear. Initially I assumed a June 5 preorder announcement with a two week window.
I'm starting to think that isn't quite so crazy at this point.
I think the main question with the pre-order is whether they want to get all the Legion previews out first or not - June 4th is possible, but I'd find it annoying, as I'll be at UK Games Expo, which would get in the way of placing a pre-order, y'know?
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Automatically Appended Next Post: So WHW has sent out an email saying that as only the Legion rules will be available for July, people can swap their July event ticket for one dated for November. Seems to suggest that all the HH armies will be available by then which is cool.
Suggests they'll all have their announced PDF rules by then, doesn't really suggest they'll have their books by then.
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Dysartes wrote: I think the main question with the pre-order is whether they want to get all the Legion previews out first or not - June 4th is possible, but I'd find it annoying, as I'll be at UK Games Expo, which would get in the way of placing a pre-order, y'know?
I don't actually. I just tell my FLGS when I want something, they take my name down and do the rest for me.
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Platuan4th wrote: Suggests they'll all have their announced PDF rules by then, doesn't really suggest they'll have their books by then.
The PDF thing wasn't meaning full rules PDFs, at least not from my second reading, but rather just units that won't be in the newer books for one reason or another similar to Legends.
Why would GW go through the effort of making every army a PDF then sell a full book in the months after the initial release? It's not like the 40k Marine supplements with like 10 units or so where the army can be played entirely without the supplement.
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ClockworkZion wrote: Eh, even if I'm not a fan of the paint scheme I have trouble poo-pooing on people's paint jobs. Not all these people were competitive miniature painters after all.
Generally I agree (if Bob wants to show off his guys, I'm not going to wander into P&M and tell him off), but when they're part of a showcase event to show off the legions? That's just weird.
Personally, I like seeing paint jobs that reflect what the average player can actually accomplish, instead of super high detail work that only people with a spare 40 hours a week for painting and ten years experience can do. I thought those IW were pretty good, certainly much better than anything I've painted in the last few years.
That's... uh... generous. 'Average players' generally paint the undersuit joints and put a second color on _raised_ tabard and cloak edges without any problems. I've never, in person, (apart from Chapter Gray Plastic or Chapter Spray Primer) seen those done as solid one-colors. That isn't asking a lot of a display army.
Hearing someone say 'I've never seen solid color tabards and cloaks before' is the hobby equivalent of the 'It's one banana, how much could it cost, 10$?" meme.
ClockworkZion wrote: Eh, even if I'm not a fan of the paint scheme I have trouble poo-pooing on people's paint jobs. Not all these people were competitive miniature painters after all.
Generally I agree (if Bob wants to show off his guys, I'm not going to wander into P&M and tell him off), but when they're part of a showcase event to show off the legions? That's just weird.
Personally, I like seeing paint jobs that reflect what the average player can actually accomplish, instead of super high detail work that only people with a spare 40 hours a week for painting and ten years experience can do. I thought those IW were pretty good, certainly much better than anything I've painted in the last few years.
That's... uh... generous. 'Average players' generally paint the undersuit joints and put a second color on _raised_ tabard and cloak edges without any problems. I've never, in person, (apart from Chapter Gray Plastic or Chapter Spray Primer) seen those done as solid one-colors. That isn't asking a lot of a display army.
Hearing someone say 'I've never seen solid color tabards and cloaks before' is the hobby equivalent of the 'It's one banana, how much could it cost, 10$?" meme.
What kind of gibberish are you typing?
Is there something unclear about how strange it is for someone to paint over details for a display showcase?
Dysartes wrote: I think the main question with the pre-order is whether they want to get all the Legion previews out first or not - June 4th is possible, but I'd find it annoying, as I'll be at UK Games Expo, which would get in the way of placing a pre-order, y'know?
Assuming they don’t break the one-a-weekday pattern they’ve done so far, the legion previews will be done by the 4th, and that’s the earliest it will be now as we know next weeks preorders. So that isn’t really a question at all.
Voss wrote: What kind of gibberish are you typing?
Is there something unclear about how strange it is for someone to paint over details for a display showcase?
I tend to agree with you that for a display army its not great.
But the idea you've never "in person" seen someone paint a tabard or cloak as single solid colour feels like a stretch. Hence the meme.
Frankly I'd say the moment people are putting additional colours on raised tabard and cloak edges, you are into an above average paint job. I'd do it now - but I didn't for years.
