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Made in au
Oberstleutnant






Perth, West Australia

Catching the ball gets in the way of stomping face. Why throw the ball through a goal when you can throw an asterians head!
   
Made in au
Incorporating Wet-Blending






Australia

But you still have to try to pick up the ball. Because apparently the players possess some compulsive disorder that makes them bend down to pick up the ball even if they can see there are two guys waiting to kick their ass.

"When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."
-C.S. Lewis 
   
Made in jp
[DCM]
Incorporating Wet-Blending





Japan

So, after considerable reflection and a glimpse of what my credit card bill will be this month, I have decided to cancel my pledge. I have a good dozen games in boxes, with minis and components in various states of assembley/painting, which I have never played. I can't really justify spending the money on this one, as well.

Now showing skeletons for Mantic's Dungeon Saga!

Painting total as of 12 July 2025: 88 plus a Deva King statue

Painting total as of 12/31/2024: 107 plus a set of modular spaceship terrain and two walkers and a quad mech and five giants



 
   
Made in us
Legendary Master of the Chapter





SoCal

Not even one dollar for the pdfs and pledge manager access?

   
Made in jp
[DCM]
Incorporating Wet-Blending





Japan

If I change my mind I'll get it retail, like I did regular Dreadball.

Now showing skeletons for Mantic's Dungeon Saga!

Painting total as of 12 July 2025: 88 plus a Deva King statue

Painting total as of 12/31/2024: 107 plus a set of modular spaceship terrain and two walkers and a quad mech and five giants



 
   
Made in us
Legendary Master of the Chapter





SoCal

 JoshInJapan wrote:
If I change my mind I'll get it retail, like I did regular Dreadball.


I don't know... I heard Mantic was phasing out retail.

   
Made in au
Screaming Shining Spear





Adelaide, Australia

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 JoshInJapan wrote:
If I change my mind I'll get it retail, like I did regular Dreadball.


I don't know... I heard Mantic was phasing out retail.


Where'd you hear that? Because it seems like entirely the opposite of what's actually been happening.

   
Made in gb
Noise Marine Terminator with Sonic Blaster





Melbourne

NTRabbit wrote:
 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 JoshInJapan wrote:
If I change my mind I'll get it retail, like I did regular Dreadball.


I don't know... I heard Mantic was phasing out retail.


Where'd you hear that? Because it seems like entirely the opposite of what's actually been happening.


Fairly sure that was a joke aimed at Mantic's use of KS..........

Ex-Mantic Rules Committees: Kings of War, Warpath
"The Emperor is obviously not a dictator, he's a couch."
Starbuck: "Why can't we use the starboard launch bays?"
Engineer: "Because it's a gift shop!" 
   
Made in au
Screaming Shining Spear





Adelaide, Australia

I'll see myself out...

   
Made in gb
Longtime Dakkanaut




West Midlands (UK)

 Baragash wrote:


Fairly sure that was a joke aimed at Mantic's use of KS..........


To be fair, online-shopping through Kickstarter, with all those other geeks buying the same stuff you do, chatting in the comments about how cool the stuff is going to be, is simply far more fun than clicking about "all by yourself" in a cold and lonely online-store.

Kickstarter may no longer be the "support-entrepreneurs", but it's quickly becoming the gamer-version of "let's go shop together".

Spoiler:

   
Made in gb
Dakka Veteran




London

Whether or not continuous Kickstarters are good for customer service, production quality etc., one thing I will compliment Mantic on is actually getting their stuff properly to retail! You can buy Dreadball stuff from Amazon and boardgame sites in addition to the usual hobbyist places, so there's a decent amount of price competition and you don't feel like you have to dump your life's savings into the Kickstarters.

As someone who picked up Sedition Wars at retail, the thing's a joke! Boxes with the v1 rules are still being sold, and seemingly 50% of the models in the range are Kickstarter exclusives. I fear the same thing for Kingdom Death: Monster - a game that was a great Kickstarter deal is going to be very difficult and expensive to get at retail, particularly outside of the US.
   
Made in gb
Noise Marine Terminator with Sonic Blaster





Melbourne

 Zweischneid wrote:
 Baragash wrote:


Fairly sure that was a joke aimed at Mantic's use of KS..........


To be fair


I was not "taking a side" myself, just explaining the joke

Ex-Mantic Rules Committees: Kings of War, Warpath
"The Emperor is obviously not a dictator, he's a couch."
Starbuck: "Why can't we use the starboard launch bays?"
Engineer: "Because it's a gift shop!" 
   
Made in gb
Longtime Dakkanaut




West Midlands (UK)

 Baragash wrote:

To be fair

I was not "taking a side" myself, just explaining the joke


Yeah. Just saying the joke might not be that far from the truth as to which way ecommerce (or "social/event-based" ecommerce) is heading.

Kickstarter is the new FLGS/Games Day (except for playing games, but Games Day no longer has those either).

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Made in cy
Fixture of Dakka







I'm definitely planning on being a lot more... Ruthless this kickstarter. Unless rampage ends up giving me mostly what I want, with minimum useless stuff, I'll be going down to rage (as originally planned), then adding in extras.

My priorities at the moment are:

Basic teams for all the teams. (16 models in Dreadball was way way too many, and is feeling a bit pointless, including the prones)

Some of the most awesome looking MVPs... Most of my Dreadball MVPs will never be used.
Acrylic Counters
2 giants
Any scenery
Acrylic pitch, mostly to match my Dreadball one
Stuff that adds variation / customisation / more options to the game.


Which, yeah, putting it together, is quite a lot of stuff. However, it really doesn't match the pledge levels too well, that I can see.
   
Made in gb
Decrepit Dakkanaut




UK

 Zweischneid wrote:
[To be fair, online-shopping through Kickstarter, with all those other geeks buying the same stuff you do, chatting in the comments about how cool the stuff is going to be, is simply far more fun than clicking about "all by yourself" in a cold and lonely online-store.

Kickstarter may no longer be the "support-entrepreneurs", but it's quickly becoming the gamer-version of "let's go shop together".

Spoiler:


When you're right, your right (and added bonus no gamer funk)

(although I'd never wear that top with that bag )

 
   
Made in gb
Pious Warrior Priest




UK

Looks like Mantic are hinting at funding 4 new teams before $500k, so the pace could be about to get a lot quicker and fill out Frenzy better.
   
Made in gb
Longtime Dakkanaut




West Midlands (UK)

That'd be good.

Currently, it seems a new team every 100.000

250.000 - Plague Mutants
350.000 - Robots

At that pace, it would need to hit 1.150.000,- for the 12th planned team to be revealed (if another 3 seasons of 4 teams are the plan, which was hinted at). .


   
Made in gb
Pious Warrior Priest




UK

Well, each team, to fully complete, requires $50k of funding with the current structure of stretch goals:

$25k - The team.
$15k - An MVP for the team.
$5k - Prone minis
$5k - Alternate sculpts

So, there's nothing stopping them knocking out 4 teams in the space of $100k if they want to get things moving and add an extra 64 minis ($120 value) to Frenzy.

Then leave the prones, alt sculpts and MVPS for later once people are more confident to either go for Frenzy or stay on Frenzy.

It's always going to be a tall order to convince people to go for a pledge level where the contents aren't worth the ticket price, no matter how many reassurances or videos you make.

Stretch goals are fairly moveable, too.. Mars Attacks had a ton of $5k stretches at the end simply because they wanted to get the stuff out there and into the pledge levels. Most of the free stuff at the $150 level was given out either in the last 3 days, or after the campaign had already finished, which was of course a disaster as by that point people had stopped bothering to look at it. Fairly sure they won't drag their heels on any backsliding this time (and it has already started to do this - Kicktraq shows -$134 for the last 8 hours).

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Made in au
Incorporating Wet-Blending






Australia

I wish that people who write stupid rules wouldn't make even stupider arguments to defend them. According to Jake Thornton, this is a sport where a Striker is literally allowed to kick a man to death as he lays on the ground, but isn't allowed to shove someone who is on his feet. There is no referee, the throw-in can kill people and the pitch is strewn with explosives but if you're any good at handling the ball it is literally unthinkable that you would shove someone back.

"When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."
-C.S. Lewis 
   
Made in gb
Noise Marine Terminator with Sonic Blaster





Melbourne

 AlexHolker wrote:
I wish that people who write stupid rules wouldn't make even stupider arguments to defend them. According to Jake Thornton, this is a sport where a Striker is literally allowed to kick a man to death as he lays on the ground, but isn't allowed to shove someone who is on his feet. There is no referee, the throw-in can kill people and the pitch is strewn with explosives but if you're any good at handling the ball it is literally unthinkable that you would shove someone back.


Hmmm, I thought having stat increases on the advance tables was pretty dissociative (in context of DB), but that might just knock it off top spot.

Ex-Mantic Rules Committees: Kings of War, Warpath
"The Emperor is obviously not a dictator, he's a couch."
Starbuck: "Why can't we use the starboard launch bays?"
Engineer: "Because it's a gift shop!" 
   
Made in us
Longtime Dakkanaut






 Zweischneid wrote:
To be fair, online-shopping through Kickstarter, with all those other geeks buying the same stuff you do, chatting in the comments about how cool the stuff is going to be, is simply far more fun than clicking about "all by yourself" in a cold and lonely online-store.

Kickstarter may no longer be the "support-entrepreneurs", but it's quickly becoming the gamer-version of "let's go shop together".

Spoiler:


I know this is your latest insightful observation on the field, Zweischneid, and it has some merit. But you're delusional if you think a group of gamers going shopping together would look anything like that picture.

Dakkadakka: Bringing wargamers together, one smile at a time.™ 
   
Made in gb
Longtime Dakkanaut




West Midlands (UK)

 Vermonter wrote:
 Zweischneid wrote:
To be fair, online-shopping through Kickstarter, with all those other geeks buying the same stuff you do, chatting in the comments about how cool the stuff is going to be, is simply far more fun than clicking about "all by yourself" in a cold and lonely online-store.

Kickstarter may no longer be the "support-entrepreneurs", but it's quickly becoming the gamer-version of "let's go shop together".

Spoiler:


I know this is your latest insightful observation on the field, Zweischneid, and it has some merit. But you're delusional if you think a group of gamers going shopping together would look anything like that picture.


Probably, that's why gamers do it on the internet, hidden behind avatars

   
Made in us
Near Golden Daemon Caliber






Illinois

As long as I don't have to wear the asc..neckerchief thing, I'm game.

Considering significantly dropping my pledge too, too many models coming in, may actually want to paint s 40k army some time. Still staying in for the digital rules and probably nicknacks like the crates and free agents, we'll see how much they pile Kk first, but I'd prefer to drop during significant growth rather than contribute to backslide.

 
   
Made in us
Longtime Dakkanaut






Frenzy is a hard sell for me, partly because of the way it accrues value. At the end of the day, what am I going to do with 16 unarmed Asterians, or Brokkrs, or Hobgoblins, or Vamps? What am I going to do with 12 to 16 + teams worth of them, loaded with (even after the "new sculpts" upgrades) many sculpt duplicates?

Inevitably they're going to sit in the box and gather dust.

I spent quite a lot on Deadzone, but that had a much greater variety of things to spend money on. Terrain, sure, but also a much greater breadth of different unit sculpts and model types. This KS has a lot of repeats built in. That's great for Mantic's budget, and maybe that appeals to strict DB players or wargamers who want dozens of duplicates, but I'm a smaller scale skirmish game type. And you'd think that DB Extreme would be a perfect fit for skirmish gamer, as on field teams are fairly small, and the ability to mix-and-match players from different factions through sponsors means you're a lot less likely to need extra Jacks, Guards, etc. of a single racial type anyway.

Put another way, I'd be much happier getting more entirely different teams of 8 in Rampage and Frenzy, rather than half as many teams of 16 players each.

I don't know if I'm going to stick with Rampage yet; as always, it depends on the final total and all the included trimmings such as MVPs, Giants, etc.. But I do know there's no way I'll be buying more than one of any add-on team. I'll probably be adding on a box of 8 Sphyr, but not 2 boxes to get 16. Even for Deadzone conversion 8 is as much as I could use.

Dakkadakka: Bringing wargamers together, one smile at a time.™ 
   
Made in gb
Pious Warrior Priest




UK

It does feel like there's room for a $250 pledge level here, like Frenzy, but 8-player teams instead of 16.

If Rage had an EB, I'd have been all over it, but at $100 with boxed game + 1 KS exclusive model it really didn't look like much of a deal and still doesn't.

Actually, thinking about it, Rampage + 8 teams ($270) might end up being more tempting than Frenzy.. you still get all 12 teams, just without the doubling up and a few extras.

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Made in gb
Longtime Dakkanaut




West Midlands (UK)

Yeah,,, those 16-strong teams are a real oddity.

Even for the base game. If Xtreme can mix-and-match player (including some from the old range), and the box comes with a bunch of Free Agents on top, 8 players are actually more than enough for Xtreme (unlike regular DB, where I usually build teams to about 10 for leagues for the "normal-size" teams).

I still fail to see how those extra minis are anything but dead weight.




   
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Australia

Here's another one, this time making excuses for writing the rule in Dreadball that let Judwan break the game:
In normal DreadBall a player must always attempt to catch a ball if he can. In DBX
the only time he must make the attempt is if a teammate passes it to him directly.
If it scatters to him under any other circumstances then he may choose whether to
make the catch attempt or not. This means that he can more easily avoid the
penalty for losing the ball, but it also means that he is less likely to make the lucky
catch and an unexpected Strike.
...
This rule is another example of the DBX player's lack of skill and commitment to the
game as a sport rather than a brawl. It also demonstrates their lesser skill and
indoctrination. A professional Striker will have been trained to reflexively attempt a
catch over many years.

That's right, folks: while unskilled DBX players are no worse at catching the ball than Dreadball players, their lack of training makes them capable of not going for sucker passes like a dog after a tennis ball if it would be disadvantageous to do so. In other words, being a skilled professional makes you worse at your job.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Beasts of War has a preview of one of the next teams - what looks like a crystalline race augmented with cybernetics.

Link

I am in favour of the concept - as far as fantasy races to knock off go, Space Paraelementals are much better than Space Dwarves or Space Werewolves, and play well with the conceit of silicon-based lifeforms (hence why I suggested Earth/Fire paraelementals as opposed to Earth/Ice paraelementals way back when). I'm not really a fan of the look, though.

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"When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."
-C.S. Lewis 
   
Made in us
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Mississippi

I actually really like that concept. It's too bad with the way Mantic is doing goals right now we'll probably not see them in this KS.
   
Made in gb
Pious Warrior Priest




UK

We'll see them all right, and they'll be one of my team picks.

There's an update coming out soon, Mantic are looking to address the slowdown.
   
Made in ie
Fixture of Dakka






And I think that team has ended any interest I had in Frenzy not a fan of the concept so a team of 16 does nothing for me looks like Rampage plus a few extras for me then stick to 6 to 8, 8 man teams I like rather than 12 most of which will sit in a box.
   
 
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