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"The difference in this world is that the Sunsiders are generally only minor players in this vast world, a world where evil battles evil on an almost contestant basis." (Prefundia page)

So it's like some sort of twisted underworld game show?

Goblin render looks great!

Thank you very much!! There will be a nice big slice of Sunsiders at some point but plenty of time for evil doers first of all!!

Just a quick bit of feedback on the prefundia page:

Bugbear Ironshield and Hobgoblin Legionary (in deathmask). The hobgoblins will be resin or white metal models with a choice of bare heads or deathmasked heads.

Provide both head options - don't make people choose. It's only a tiny bit of extra metal or resin on the sprue, and most people really appreciate the extra parts and options to change their minds once the figures are in-hand..

Poor choice of words. They come with a choice of heads is how it should read. Both will be provided.

good show

Why was this not posted?

The Goblin King!




The Goblin King with flunky guards!




Sadly he doesn't look like David Bowie, but that can be forgiven in this case.

What size base would the King be on if he's got his cronies waving dangerous objects with him?

My word... I don't even get a chance to post these days

Actually it helps when other people do it as time is not something I seem to have a lot of these days.

The Goblin King (sadly not David Bowie) although it did cross our mind to do a David Bowie like figure.

The Goblin King, in play testing, was always a single model with seperate guards. However, we like artwork so much we were thinking of incorporating the guards on to one big base. The reason behind this is the guards had a sacrifice rule which means they can be eliminated instead of the King taking damage. Instead we have kind of made the King base a monster like unit with all the attacks of the guards incorporated into his profile.

I hope you guys like the art work. The Sculpt will be underway soon.

I like the idea of the guards on the same base. Nice art!

Thanks RiTides. I must confess the idea of putting them all on one base was made purely for aesthetic reasons but the rules work well so thats good. I'm pleased you like the art. This art has gone down really well so far, I think its one of the best pieces yet!

I was about to say - awful likeness - Looks nothing like Bowie!

Ha ha... no we did try a nice 80's mullet and some skintight leather trousers but somehow it didn't look right...

How about a nice codpiece?

Yeah...should have done that instead!

By the way, the Bugbear Ironshield render is nearly done and looking good. I should be posting in a few days!!

Hi guys,

Sorry for the lack of posts recently.... So much to do in preparation for the KS. Anyway. I have posted the WIP for the Bugbear Ironshield (just a headshot) and the new Underdeep logo.

I like them both. Bugbear looks brutal!

How much of that detail will actually translate to the final product? Don't get me wrong - I *love* the model, and even with significantly less fine detail it will still be an awesome model (and in any case, beyond my skill with a brush ), but it does look somewhat like what we usually see when video game designers start designing 28mm minis.
What worries me most is how "shallow" the edge of the helmet seems to sit over the skin on the forehead and around the ears; losing some wrinkles is fine, but definition on that helmet should be crisp (and rather exaggerated, to be decently paintable for mere mortals...).

The Bugbear is 70mm tall. Also our sculptor has worked on some of the recent high end KS projects so understands what will translate and what wont. In plastic the translation might be an issue but this chap will be cast in high end resin. I dont think it will be too much of an issue for this model in particular.

We have also discussed the renders in regard to the plastic models with Renedra and they are always trying to push bounds of what can be translated in plastic. Plastic moulding has issues with any part of the sculpt that will cause the model to snag shen being removed from the tool. The areas where there are overhangs cause the most problems, especially when the curve over and form a catching point.

They are so far happy that there will only be minimal changes needed after 3D printing. This is normal after all 3d printing in preparation for tooling.

Im glad you like the logo and the face of the mini!

Oh. I was assuming him to be a 28mm model (wth, I seem to have 'encountered' rather cuddlier bugbears than you have ).

70mm tall resin explains everything. My bad! What price point would it be at, roughly? looks like a nice brush challenge at that size.

I have always loved Bugbears so I have gone all out here!!! I may have exaggerated. He is actually 66mm tall at the moment. His shield is fecking enormous!!!

The Bugbears are not as large in most fantasy RPG's but what the hell...I need big gribblies for our game so thats enough of an excuse for me!!

The model is in fact a stetchgoal. Once he is funded he will be added to the addon store for £18.

Well, it seems to be working out pretty nicely at that size. I probably won't have a huge budget available for this KS and I'm not going for huge model counts any more, but a few choice items like this will be a no-brainer for me

Bugbear looks fantastic so far.

Well, it seems to be working out pretty nicely at that size. I probably won't have a huge budget available for this KS and I'm not going for huge model counts any more, but a few choice items like this will be a no-brainer for me

Bolognesus - Hopefully the KS will hit the stretchgoals to open this up for you. You can place a small pledge for the Goblin Skulk or the boxset pledge and have full access to the addon store.

Bugbear looks fantastic so far.

Thanks Gallahad... much appreciated!!

Kaine- I forget, do the pledges include shipping? If they didn't, having to pay 10 pounds for the goblin skulk, plus shipping, to get add-ons access might be steep (if it includes shipping, I'd say it's the opposite, quite a good deal!).

Free shipping to the UK. There will be shipping to the US i'm afraid. There is no way we can make it free to the US and the ROW. We have tried our best. I have not got the shipping rates on me but the shipping costs are very low for the Skulk! I think its about £2 or $3.30.

I will have to confirm that though.

Yeah, I'll likely get the box set+skulk at least.

How about shipping to the EU?

So, no way to just pledge for add-ons without paying 10 pounds for skulk? That's $16.50 USD for a goblin people may not even want if they're just looking for add-ons.

I think that's a mistake, and I'd add a 1-pound (plus shipping) "add-ons only" pledge level. People who want to buy two resin bugbears will help your campaign a lot, but they won't be nearly as likely to do it if they have to pay 10 pounds just for the chance to do so.

It's always good to have a pledge level to entice people to dip their toes in, and I think forcing people to buy skulk is a needless barrier to entry. If you don't change that, you'd be forcing a ROW backer to pay 30+ pounds (with the size of the "+" depending on final shipping costs) just to get one bugbear

That's a very good point and one I have already thought of! I have made a mistake...access to the addons is £1. Free stretchgoals come in at the starter set and above. I think we originally had access to addons at the Skulk pledge but we changed it. I was trying to remember off the top of my head. I will make a more comprehensive list of pledges and postage costs tomorrow when my head is not clouded by beer and tiredness!!

Well even that's just perfect then . I will likely be after a bugbear or two even if I decide I don't need hordes more figures to paint lol, like Bolognesus above. This enables you to go after both the Mantic (tons of minis) and Kingdom Death (high end resins) crowds

Oh great.

More miniatures I *have* to get and paint. Why would you guys do this? I mean look at those zombies. Who's going to resist that?

All I want to do is finish painting the miniatures I own.

This is what I get for wandering around Dakka away from the 40k section

Riven skull - please accept my sincere apologies. As a man with more lead and plastic in my house than it can structurally withstand, I know what you mean. I have 42 boxes of perry plastics.... 42 boxes! What did I do today... I bought 2 more for my WOTR army....

Commercially I say.... Look at the shiney's....look at the shiney's... Credit cards are just virtual money... It doesn't count! Those zombies are nice aren't they?


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The Kickstarter as it stands is as follows:

Initial KS target is £80k (I know its high but its unavoidable based on product quality)

The basic package will be the Goblin and Zombie sprues. These are half sprues with 6 figures on each of them (done much in the style of the Perry half sprues) and they will be attached together to form the full 12 man sprue. The goblin sprues will have 6 bodies and about 10-14 heads plus arm options for Bows on sprue 1 and arm options for spears and swords/shields on sprue 2). The zombie will be similar except they will have less weapon options as they will be close combat weapons only. There will be a lot of variety here to make many combinations.

The basic KS total also includes the addition of the Bugbear Ironshield and the Flesh Golem to the addon store.

Any back who pledges at least £1 will receive access to the addon store.

The Underdeep rules will accessible to anyone through the KS page. It will be a basic pdf document at this stage with not much in the way of additional graphics but will outline the core rules and allow people to play small battles. It will include rules for using most of the KS miniatures as well as providing some counters to use as proxies during playing. The idea of this document is to get feedback to hone the rules before printing. There will be a feedback email address to help us in this regard.

Shipping costs are unavoidable for non UK customers. The manufacturing aspect is very expensive and means that the KS is finely balanced to make us a small profit. The main emphasis is to get the tools made. This does not leave us with a lot of potential profit to play with in regard to offering free postage worldwide or even to the Eurozone and the US. Believe me I have really tried to do this but it is not possible without raising the KS goal and base prices of the pledges.

However, what I have been able to do is reduce the cost of the postage through an affiliation with a large UK based distributor. The highest charge for postage on the top end pledges (£200+) is only £12 to the US and Europe and £15 ROW. This is around a 60% on Royal mail and most courier prices. We have absorbed this into our costs but it is the best we can do.

There is now only one Early Bird pledge and that is the starter set at £60. However, our recommended pledge for those of you wanting to make large armies fast would be our Horde pledge. This pledge gives you 192 plastic models plus our Goblin Skulk model. There is a huge saving on RRP with this pledge with each miniature costing less than 62p. If you guys pledge enough to push us to the first stretchgoal we can manufacturer the additional command sprues. This will automatically add one command sprue of a faction of your choice for every 24 plastic figures already purchased. These are added for free but additional sprues maybe purchased from the addon store. This brings the price per model down to 57p!

We have decided not to add an EB on this pledge as the savings are there for all to see and we want it accessible for everyone!

Every stratchgoal will add some models free to every pledge of Starter Set and above and will add additional models to the addon store to be purchased.