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Someone posted up a video on youtube about the contrast paints and even showed an Imperial Fist. Definitely going to get the appropriate yellow, at least. Now, its just a question of cost...

plastictrees wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I think those models show that there is a little more care needed in application that GW let on. That is fine, but the blue has me worried.

I mean, the biggest leap any new painter can take in quality is simply being neat. Different paint products aren't going to remove that element.

insaniak wrote:Yeah, no magic product is going to help you color inside the lines. Painting with washes is always slightly messy, because they run, but you can minimize it by being careful with the application. It's certainly not a case of just slopping it on willy-nilly.

Yeah, I know. I don't think it will be as bad as this picture shows. I just worry because that is the first model that doesn't look all that good, IMO. And since the dark blue is going to be a staple of my painting process (Crimson Fists), I would like to see more examples. The Black Templar looks great, so my Deathwatch will have a decent time. I don't think these will look good on large panels, so my Skitarii (Graia) vehicles won't likely see Black Templar, but the two different reds will be good.

AgentOrange over on B&C posted a link to a very informative fist impression/review https://the-art-of-caesura.blogspot.com/2019/05/citadel-colour-contrast-paints-first.html?showComment=1557687844768

Shoutout to anyone that can find a better pic of the Sylvaneth painted with contrast paints (Excluding that one Khurnoth we've seen before)

This quote from that AgentOrange blogpost will be interesting for people who've already got existing models painted with the old "GW method":

They tried to colour-match specific paints, so for example Blood Angels Red is like Mephiston Red, shaded and then highlighted with Evil Sunz Scarlet.

Given how viscous it is and the level of pigment in the solution, I'm rather excited to try some of them out.
At the end of the day, I can't imagine switching over to using them heavily but they seem like they'd be a great addition to my toolbox.
(And I fully expect to see gobs of armies with this stuff just slopped in on blocks and... I'm honestly okay with that when compared to just flat grey plastic.)

I use a wet pallet. I wonder if it would be fine to continue using it or if I will need to go straight from pot to model.

 Jjohnso11 wrote:
I use a wet pallet. I wonder if it would be fine to continue using it or if I will need to go straight from pot to model.

Since the use of water was discouraged, as far as I know (and it keeps being said), probably pot to model. The demo video shows it being almost bucketed on to create build up in the ridge details.

So, since I basecoat everything black, then basically drybrush all the paint on, would it work to just basecoat everything white now, apply the 'contrast' black paint, and then start dry brushing? I'm assuming you can paint on top of the contrast paints.

 Jjohnso11 wrote:
I use a wet pallet. I wonder if it would be fine to continue using it or if I will need to go straight from pot to model.

They're inks. You won't need a palette. Just go from the bottle.


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 skullking wrote:
So, since I basecoat everything black, then basically drybrush all the paint on, would it work to just basecoat everything white now, apply the 'contrast' black paint, and then start dry brushing? I'm assuming you can paint on top of the contrast paints.

You probably could, but I'm not sure what you would gain by doing that, rather than just carrying on with the black basecoat.

 skullking wrote:
So, since I basecoat everything black, then basically drybrush all the paint on, would it work to just basecoat everything white now, apply the 'contrast' black paint, and then start dry brushing? I'm assuming you can paint on top of the contrast paints.

From what we've seen, yes, absolutely. Once the Contrast paint is dry, it's the same as any other acryllic paint. You can use washes, highlights, drybrushing, any of that stuff that you'd normally do after it's dry.

Not big fan of them. Target are beginners. So if novice painter use any colour like yellow blue whatever. On space fella armour, then black on bolter. And if go over the edges. Then what?... Will be looks even more crappy then simple opaque paint job. Cuz another go with colour don't cover black.

Then you do the same thing as would now when a darker colour get onto a lighter area. Tidy up with a bit of base coat and then reapply the lighter colour. As others have said, no amount of magic in a pot can substitute for being neat.

With transparent colours Im afraid that in novice hands will ends messy anyway. GW do great work with hype and selling stuff (nothing wrong with that). Lets wait and see when target folks start using them. Not fancy advertise pictures.

Those things will certainly make my laziness to paint go (almost) away!

So, the transparent aspect has me really interested, but also slightly nervous as well, simply because of application.

I used to use Angron Red from FW over a gold basecoat for my Thousand Sons, however, painting it with a brush was a real PITA. It was much much easier with an airbrush.

Now, if this can achieve a similar effect via brush as when using the airbrush with the older clear paints then it’ll be an insta buy for me, but watching thin clear paint continuously run from all the flat sections of my 30k marines when using a brush was just frustrating. I’m getting the impression these are slightly thicker though, so I’ll remain optimistic for now.

That said, has anyone got any thoughts on how these might react when applied with an airbrush, based on their Warhammer Fest experience?

If it lets me spray something gold then go over it with red to make a red-gold army, then I'm good.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I think those models show that there is a little more care needed in application that GW let on.

Some people seem to interpret "One thick coat!" as "Pour the whole fething bottle on a single mini!".

It'll be a little more nuanced than that I think.

 Mc Devil wrote:
With transparent colours Im afraid that in novice hands will ends messy anyway. GW do great work with hype and selling stuff (nothing wrong with that). Lets wait and see when target folks start using them. Not fancy advertise pictures.

A lot of these pictures are when "target folks start using them". And your concern over novices is irrelevant - that applies to any painting method, after all.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 Mc Devil wrote:
With transparent colours Im afraid that in novice hands will ends messy anyway. GW do great work with hype and selling stuff (nothing wrong with that). Lets wait and see when target folks start using them. Not fancy advertise pictures.

A lot of these pictures are when "target folks start using them". And your concern over novices is irrelevant - that applies to any painting method, after all.

Unless this is being marketed as an easy system for novices to get good results.

 Mc Devil wrote:
With transparent colours Im afraid that in novice hands will ends messy anyway. GW do great work with hype and selling stuff (nothing wrong with that). Lets wait and see when target folks start using them. Not fancy advertise pictures.

Guess you forgot people already got their hands on trying these paints. But hey it's only few days past so ancient history ;-)

JWBS wrote:

Unless this is being marketed as an easy system for novices to get good results.

It is an easy system for novices to get good results. Certainly easier than the current three step system.

That doesn't mean that they won't still have to learn which way around to good the paint brush.

Plus, the undercoat sprays formulated for this?

They're coming in pot form as well. One assumes so we can tidy up splodges, and indeed mix our mediums.

Y'all who laugh about the noob friendly method for beginners only and not worthy of a seasoned veteran, have you ever had to paint 200+ gaunts or boyz? This thing is a godsent.

Yeah, I think it's more about speed for acceptable results than newbie friendly.

I'm a decent painter, but I know I'm slooooowwwww. I have all those Death Guard from Conquest, and I know as things stand I'll never get around to doing anything with them. If I could take all of them, use Contrast, and get them out in a month that would be amazing.

JWBS wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 Mc Devil wrote:
With transparent colours Im afraid that in novice hands will ends messy anyway. GW do great work with hype and selling stuff (nothing wrong with that). Lets wait and see when target folks start using them. Not fancy advertise pictures.

A lot of these pictures are when "target folks start using them". And your concern over novices is irrelevant - that applies to any painting method, after all.

Unless this is being marketed as an easy system for novices to get good results.

Look, painting within the lines is something everyone has to learn and no paint or technique is going to fix that.
Toddlers learn to colour within the lines, I'm sure a teenager/adult can learn to paint in the lines.
Everything else that comes after, shading & highlighting, that dramatically increase the way a model looks compared to completely flat colors looks to becomes much much easier with these paints.

 Ordana wrote:

JWBS wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 Mc Devil wrote:
With transparent colours Im afraid that in novice hands will ends messy anyway. GW do great work with hype and selling stuff (nothing wrong with that). Lets wait and see when target folks start using them. Not fancy advertise pictures.

A lot of these pictures are when "target folks start using them". And your concern over novices is irrelevant - that applies to any painting method, after all.

Unless this is being marketed as an easy system for novices to get good results.

Look, painting within the lines is something everyone has to learn and no paint or technique is going to fix that.
Toddlers learn to colour within the lines, I'm sure a teenager/adult can learn to paint in the lines.
Everything else that comes after, shading & highlighting, that dramatically increase the way a model looks compared to completely flat colors looks to becomes much much easier with these paints.

I've been quoted twice now and I dunno if either of you know what I was saying or not. To clarify, guy 1 said these paints will still look messy in the hands of a messy painter (novice). Guy 2 said that it's irrelevant if these paints will still look messy when used by novices because all paint does when used by novices. Guy 3 (me) said that it probably is relevant if these are being marketed as an easy way for novices to get not-messy paints.

JWBS wrote:

 Ordana wrote:

JWBS wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 Mc Devil wrote:
With transparent colours Im afraid that in novice hands will ends messy anyway. GW do great work with hype and selling stuff (nothing wrong with that). Lets wait and see when target folks start using them. Not fancy advertise pictures.

A lot of these pictures are when "target folks start using them". And your concern over novices is irrelevant - that applies to any painting method, after all.

Unless this is being marketed as an easy system for novices to get good results.

Look, painting within the lines is something everyone has to learn and no paint or technique is going to fix that.
Toddlers learn to colour within the lines, I'm sure a teenager/adult can learn to paint in the lines.
Everything else that comes after, shading & highlighting, that dramatically increase the way a model looks compared to completely flat colors looks to becomes much much easier with these paints.

I've been quoted twice now and I dunno if either of you know what I was saying or not. To clarify, guy 1 said these paints will still look messy in the hands of a messy painter (novice). Guy 2 said that it's irrelevant if these paints will still look messy when used by novices because all paint does when used by novices. Guy 3 (me) said that it probably is relevant if these are being marketed as an easy way for novices to get not-messy paints.

A certain minimal level of ability will always be required when painting.
This paint looks to give better results with less skill, which is good for novice painters.

I really don't think these paints are merely for novices. I'd say that I'm pretty experienced painter, and I do a lot of my painting via thin translucent layers of paints, washes and glazes over white(ish) undercoat. It seems that these let me do what I already do, except faster and possibly better. For good results you obviously need to use other techniques as well, but these will still help on many steps of my painting.

I can't think of a time in the last thirty years where it's been easier to get paint on to your models with minimal effort and achieve amazing results with out having a degree in fine art.
GW never get the credit they deserve, any painting tool that helps anyone put painted models on the table should be appreciated in my opinion even if it doesn't work for you.
I wish I had hours to lavish on an army but I don't ,but if can crack out a squad in a few hours and it still looks table worthy then what ever GW are charging for these paints will be worth it.

Obispudkenobi wrote:
I can't think of a time in the last thirty years where it's been easier to get paint on to your models with minimal effort and achieve amazing results with out having a degree in fine art.
GW never get the credit they deserve, any painting tool that helps anyone put painted models on the table should be appreciated in my opinion even if it doesn't work for you.
I wish I had hours to lavish on an army but I don't ,but if can crack out a squad in a few hours and it still looks table worthy then what ever GW are charging for these paints will be worth it.

I do have a degree in fine art and I'm still super exited about these paints!