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The narrative player in me rebels at the very notion of 2-man Command Squads that only exist because GW split every character out into its own choice, even when doing so made zero sense (READ: Guard).
But thanks for the explanation. I can see why they're useful. I get it now.
I also get how eventually GW is going to change the Bodyguard rule so you can't put bodyguard units completely out of LOS whilst still providing that rule to in-LOS characters because that's stupid and clearly not what they intended, and how this is only the outcome of their shoddy ability to write coherent rules.
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I'm going off memory here but isn't it the difference in unit count that determines the effect though? For example if you have a 3 man squad of Eradicators, they will only benefit from +1 to hit when shooting at a unit of 8+ models? If that's the case, then against vehicles that count as 5 models you'll almost never benefit from the +1...unless it's one of those situations where you have multi-model vehicle squads (ork buggies )
Doh. Yea I totally read it wrong. 5 more models than your unit shooting. Bleh. So it'd basically never activate on vehicles. IF it is.
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H.B.M.C. wrote: I also get how eventually GW is going to change the Bodyguard rule so you can't put bodyguard units completely out of LOS whilst still providing that rule to in-LOS characters because that's stupid and clearly not what they intended, and how this is only the outcome of their shoddy ability to write coherent rules.
Yea mine will go into reserves instead of bodyguarding most of the time. It gets really hard to screen out two bases.
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2021/10/21 02:00:39
Subject: Re:9th edition Space Marine Codex Tactica
Daedalus81 wrote:Putting The Fist Back Into Imperial Fists
Platoon #1 - Forward Objective Holder
Primaris Chaplain on Bike - Warlord
- Master of Sanctity
- Reliquary of Gathalamor : this provides some measure of psychic defense without taking a psyker on a fast model
- Litanies - 5+++ vs MW / +1 to wound versus closest : this provides yet more psychic defense and amps up a unit to take oncoming units down fast
- Wise Orator
- Stubborn Heroism ( half damage ) : hopefully makes this guy a huge pain to put down
10 Heavy Intercessors w/ Hellstorm ( the 3 shot assault version ), 2x Hellstorm HB
This platoon will make the most of durability to get up to objectives - running if necessary with the assault bolters. They're the obvious transhuman target, but also have +1sv vs 1D, +1sv from Bolster Defences, and +1sv for Shield Unwavering ( if warranted ). For 3 CP this means Wyches will occasionally take the save down to a 4+ and otherwise a 2+.
But they'll be up front and HI suck in combat, however, Shield Unwavering gives +1A. There is also Close-Range Bolter Fire where everything turns into a pistol.
Platoon #2 - Forward Objective Holder
Judiciar
- Adamantine Mantle : 5+++
5 BGV
This platoon takes up the other side hoofing it to any objective. The Judiciar will keep any dangerous melee from being a problem too quickly and he might be able to tank a Succubus on his own.
These guys hold the backfield. The snipers along with the captain work hard with their exploding sniper rifles to take out key characters - especially with Admech. The Lasfusils try to make an early play in Devastator doctrine to put D4 into something dangerous and the Captain will fade them back into cover.
These guys will help get Engage or ROD and/or support the front line.
Platoon #5 - Support
3 Suppressors
Gladiator Reaper, Auto, Icarus, Ironhail
5 Heavy Intercessors
These will go where ever they are needed. Gladiator puts a huge amount of Dakka bolstered even a bit more with some exploding 6s on the secondary guns. Suppressors try and make good in the Devastator doctrine.
Other Thoughts
IF ignores cover, which is fantastic, however, I feel like CF getting +1 to hit vs most units is pretty damn good and increases the mobility of heavy weapons on infantry. Is this worth the loss of ignore cover? Also for some reason Battlescribe is telling me I am taking too many relics in this scenarion even when using Champion of Blades - has anyone else had this issue?
Should I kick the Phobos Captain to the curb? If I did I get get Kantor for +1A to CORE or I could go for Lysander with his rare 3++ and no hit mod fist as well as his ability to turn off attrition. Both of these options make my HI unit feel like it has too many eggs in a basket though. Thoughts?
Chaplain - I think Armour indomitus for the +1W, 2+ save, 1 time 3++ would end up giving you more benefit across your match ups than the reliquary if you want a really hardy character. Between your opponent playing around the 18" range and the non-guarantee of the d3 wounds on fails, I think it will end up being mostly a non-factor. I like the 5+++ Litany if he's going to be babysitting Heavy Intercessors.
Phobos Capt - I'm not sure the Eliminators have the output to justify being babysat by the captain. I'd probably cut him. I also rarely have juicy turn 1 targets for my eliminators because everything is still deployed behind cover.
Secondary Task Force - I think you can strip a little bit of fat here. I'd drop the melta gun and the grav pistol from both company vets for a couple reasons. First, if I'm using them to score Engage points, they are going to be hiding in a corner somewhere trying to avoid attention. Second, if they are just for RoD, they aren't going to get to shoot anyway since they are spending the turn performing an action so you'll probably get one turn to get into a shooting position for a couple short range guns at best? Generally those company vets can make enough of nuisance of themselves from just tagging something versus dealing damage anyway.
Next cut I would consider is the servitors. Between the 5 man HI, infiltrators, couple of Company vets units, and the two eliminator squads I think you should have plenty of action monkey options floating around.
Don't forget that those phobos units can guerilla tactics into the opponent's quarters later in the game as well if needed so they can be both early game deepstrike screens and turn 4/5 ROD options.
The outriders are fine but the Blood Angel in me says trade them for 5 ss/lc van vets. 12" fly on infantry makes navigating terrain heavy boards much simpler and you'll have another unit as an optional action monkey. You'll lose the bolters which I guess is more of negative for IF then other chapters.
So cutting the phobos captain, streamlining the company vets and cutting the servitors gets me 155pts back. There are a few options I think would be interesting: 125 points for a whirlwind as another source of fights last, 150 pts for another 5 man lc/ss van vet squad or outrider squad, 2 melta attack bikes at 120pts for some fast anti-tank / Engage options, 150 pts for twin volkite contemptor...
Finally! I like minded Fists player. Im running crimson Fists and been trying to get the various rules to fit together in a meaningful Way since the start of ninth. Heres my post from a few weeks back about my current list and all my thoughts on the matter.
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Hi guys,
ok, so I know Crimson fists aren't that strong, but I love them and actually, they have some things going for them.
the flat 3 no minus to hit power fist, pedros obsec/+1a aura and exploding sixes on bolters are all great buffs. The +1 to hit vs hordes can come in handy and in this list (with will be vs necrons) I sort of try to abuse it a bit with the relic contemptors. It will probably only be for that first alpha vs his warrior blobs, but still. Its decent at least.
The plan is to run up with Pedro and 5x blade guards and camp on objectives. Assault intercessors and the vets can help with counter charges and backup. Creating a meatgrinder in the middle where I can take advantage of my buffs would be nice. The dreads, captain, lieutenant and a 2x5 intercessors camp backfield and provide firesupport. Inceptors, attack bikes, speeder and 2x5 intercessors score secondaries and try to get board dominance. The 3x eradicators are sort of the odd ones out here. guess they will just try to pick off a nice target.
Secondaries should be oath, engage and a third matchup dependent mostly, I guess.
Its fine if this can beat necrons, but actually my goal is a bit broader. I have an ongoing league coming up and id love to play crimson fists for that. The mini meta is: BA, sisters, DG, Eldar, Orcs, necrons, custodes and I've tried to build something a bit more all round due to that fact.
a few questions for review:
- Would 2x twin linked Heavy bolters (taking the bolter buffs of CF into account) be worthwhile on the dreads or are the volkites just better?
- do I need a tech marine to justify those two contemptors? I feel the +1 to hit chapter thingy should be enough. but im not sure.
- Should I go down to one dread and then buy what?
- when playing marines I usually always have a drop pod with either grav/melta devs or sternguard/company vets with meltas to take out one thing t1. this list doesn't have that feature and I guess the dreads have that role. is that a good call? I feel some consistant heavy fire from the back field is better in the long run, but the shock effect of having removed a key asset t1 is just so brutal often.
- I just love the 4x5 rifle intercessors. But I can't help thinking if they should be something else. Infiltrators maybe. any comments on that? also, stalkers on two of them would sort of make sense as they will be moving up the board. I just really like the bolt rifle profile better, honestly.
- 3x inceptors. hmm.. I always run 5 normally and I actually find them underwhelming. they kill someting and then just get slaughtered. I figured maybe 3 would make for a less appealing target. is this a crazy assessment?
I'd consider dropping an HQ for a techmarine if you are going to run double volkite contemptors. I think I think you are going to get more mileage from the +1 hit and his repair ability versus all sources of re-roll 1s. Don't forget that you can use the wisdom of the Ancients strat to re-roll 1s to hit or wound as well with the dreadnoughts. Really what you want from the dreads is for them push through tons of mortals.
Hmm I just looked at Kantor's datasheet. Hid Oath of Rynn +1 to hit Aura for core units standing next to the those contemptors could be filthy. If that's how you play it, the techmarine would be unnecessary.
I still think you are a little overloaded with with re-rolls auras vs some other interesting tech pieces that give you something like fight last, mortal wound protection, or invuln saves to make chewing through all those bodies more difficult.
I also do like the idea of swapping in at least one phobos troop unit for some sort of forward deploy/deep strike screen/guerilla tactics tool in the toolkit.
2021/10/21 08:07:10
Subject: Re:9th edition Space Marine Codex Tactica
Sobie wrote: I think the IF chapter tactic has broader applicability than the CF. As far as I understand it, the +1 to hit for CF is contingent on the target having 5+ models more than the unit shooting. A lot of armies seem to skew towards MSU lists these days so it seems hard to take advantage of consistently. Especially if you are going to run a big 10 man squad at midboard.
Well, the one nice thing about CF is that the +1 to hit always applies to vehicles since they "count" as 5 models.
what? how? they count as five models because if they didn't it would be way to easy to get the +1, right? so if your landraider shoots at ten guys, it gets the bonus. if it shoots at nine guys it doesn't.
At least thats my understanding. If vehicles get the bonus always, then there wouldn't be any reason to play anything but CF : )
Finally! I like minded Fists player. Im running crimson Fists and been trying to get the various rules to fit together in a meaningful Way since the start of ninth. Heres my post from a few weeks back about my current list and all my thoughts on the matter.
Huzzah!
I really like Kantor. Still mulling him and Lysander.
Heavy Bolters might have been gold before the IF nerf, but now they're risky. What you might find is that -1D will make them bite a lot less and since you're facing Orks and DG there's a good chance of that. Same thing for Volkites.
yeah, I agree on h-bolters. I dont think I have any in the list, do I? the volkites. I dont know, man, they just seem so good. but honestly im a bit in the dark on how to best use them. I se a lot of guys run them sans missiles and that doesn't work for me. I love the alpha potential if you can get a target t-1 consisting of 10 plus models. then you have 2d6 blast shots of s4 ap-1 (devastator doc) and 16 s6 ap-1 plus MWs from sixes. hitting on 2s probably rerolling. times 2 in my list. the rest of the game probably won't be that good but having acces to 2 krak shots gives then thing some nice flexibility that the non missile version doesn't have at least.
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2021/10/21 08:26:54
Subject: Re:9th edition Space Marine Codex Tactica
Sobie wrote: I think the IF chapter tactic has broader applicability than the CF. As far as I understand it, the +1 to hit for CF is contingent on the target having 5+ models more than the unit shooting. A lot of armies seem to skew towards MSU lists these days so it seems hard to take advantage of consistently. Especially if you are going to run a big 10 man squad at midboard.
Well, the one nice thing about CF is that the +1 to hit always applies to vehicles since they "count" as 5 models.
what? how? they count as five models because if they didn't it would be way to easy to get the +1, right? so if your landraider shoots at ten guys, it gets the bonus. if it shoots at nine guys it doesn't.
At least thats my understanding. If vehicles get the bonus always, then there wouldn't be any reason to play anything but CF : )
Finally! I like minded Fists player. Im running crimson Fists and been trying to get the various rules to fit together in a meaningful Way since the start of ninth. Heres my post from a few weeks back about my current list and all my thoughts on the matter.
Huzzah!
I really like Kantor. Still mulling him and Lysander.
Heavy Bolters might have been gold before the IF nerf, but now they're risky. What you might find is that -1D will make them bite a lot less and since you're facing Orks and DG there's a good chance of that. Same thing for Volkites.
yeah, I agree on h-bolters. I dont think I have any in the list, do I? the volkites. I dont know, man, they just seem so good. but honestly im a bit in the dark on how to best use them. I se a lot of guys run them sans missiles and that doesn't work for me. I love the alpha potential if you can get a target t-1 consisting of 10 plus models. then you have 2d6 blast shots of s4 ap-1 (devastator doc) and 16 s6 ap-1 plus MWs from sixes. hitting on 2s probably rerolling. times 2 in my list. the rest of the game probably won't be that good but having acces to 2 krak shots gives then thing some nice flexibility that the non missile version doesn't have at least.
nice comments, man. love it!
i have since developed the list further and now run it like this. it is 3-0 so far vs necrons, orks and a very narrow game vs sisters.
So basically I cut the lieutenant and put eye of hypnoth on my second captain. He now guards and buffs the back field. I then cut the assault intercessors too. I miss them, but the list has enough melee, I think. And it got me the selfless healer app who now walks up the middle with Pedro and the blade guards. its just so good as we all know. he gets to res a bike here and there to so thats just splendid. I find that outriders are too expensive normally, but with the option to res, exploding sixes on rifles and a good chance to hit on 2s with the chapter buff they are worth their points.
For the first time in ninth I really feel im have a space marine list that is coming together really well.
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2021/10/27 16:42:11
Subject: Re:9th edition Space Marine Codex Tactica
I'm a new to marines player, just getting into deathwatch. I'm planning on getting some heavy intercessors as a backfield holder. I'm unsure which of the gun options to go for. My expected opponents are Necrons, Space wolves and Grey knights.
my thought process so far is trying to decided between the high damage, high AP but low shots option to try and one shot the marines I expect to be facing, or the high shots but low ap and damage assault bolter option to generate damage by sheer weight of fire. i cant really make my mind up which to go for. any opinions or experience with these about which is better?
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2021/10/28 02:24:18
Subject: Re:9th edition Space Marine Codex Tactica
I'm a new to marines player, just getting into deathwatch. I'm planning on getting some heavy intercessors as a backfield holder. I'm unsure which of the gun options to go for. My expected opponents are Necrons, Space wolves and Grey knights.
my thought process so far is trying to decided between the high damage, high AP but low shots option to try and one shot the marines I expect to be facing, or the high shots but low ap and damage assault bolter option to generate damage by sheer weight of fire. i cant really make my mind up which to go for. any opinions or experience with these about which is better?
I haven't yet ever used mine, but I gave them the assault bolters to keep them more mobile. I like the idea of them being a tougher than average midboard objective holder versus sitting in my backfield though. They are a lot of points spent for durability to babysit one of the lighter contested objectives on the board in my view.
2021/10/29 13:34:30
Subject: Re:9th edition Space Marine Codex Tactica
I'm a new to marines player, just getting into deathwatch. I'm planning on getting some heavy intercessors as a backfield holder. I'm unsure which of the gun options to go for. My expected opponents are Necrons, Space wolves and Grey knights.
my thought process so far is trying to decided between the high damage, high AP but low shots option to try and one shot the marines I expect to be facing, or the high shots but low ap and damage assault bolter option to generate damage by sheer weight of fire. i cant really make my mind up which to go for. any opinions or experience with these about which is better?
I haven't yet ever used mine, but I gave them the assault bolters to keep them more mobile. I like the idea of them being a tougher than average midboard objective holder versus sitting in my backfield though. They are a lot of points spent for durability to babysit one of the lighter contested objectives on the board in my view.
Having not used them either, what about turn 1 running them up (maybe in a transport) to a spot where they can shoot at a couple of mid field objectives (hopefully from in cover)? They either take fire away from other units moving to hold said objectives so help clear them for other units to then take?
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2021/10/29 14:44:35
Subject: Re:9th edition Space Marine Codex Tactica
Salted Diamond wrote: Having not used them either, what about turn 1 running them up (maybe in a transport) to a spot where they can shoot at a couple of mid field objectives (hopefully from in cover)? They either take fire away from other units moving to hold said objectives so help clear them for other units to then take?
I'd skip the transport. Since they are Gravis units, I think only a Repulsor can fit them which is just a ton of points to invest. The benefit of the assault bolters is still being able to move them relatively quickly into the middle of the board as it's only 12" from deployment boundary line to get to the midway. 5+D6" should get you to an objective by end of Turn 2 unless you deploy very conservatively.
I think of them as something that you stick on a point and tell your opponent this objective is mine unless you devote some serious firepower that you you'd rather use on my threatening Van Vets or Redemptor. If you don't put them on an objective, there really isn't a compelling reason for your opponent to devote resources to take them off the board because they don't offer enough scary offensive firepower on their own to make them a priority target if they aren't scoring you primary points. The end result being that they are now neither acting as a bullet magnet to protect your other units nor are they racking up VP.
Advance and stil charge gives a base movement of 20 before charging.
4 attacks base, 2 more with claws, 1 from shock assault. 1 attack from imperiums sword of beastslayer. That is 8 attacks, re-roll anything that is not a 6, try to fish for 6's. You can use 1 cp to put him in the assault doctrine if need be. 1 more CP for savage srtrike if you really need it.
It is a bit CP hungry. And he is a glass cannon. But I like how it has such a huge threath range to deal with what ever you do not like.
Anyone heard any rumors his the upcoming FAQ will change SMs? Especially any rumors about IF changes. I hear the IF super doctrine is changing again. Any rumored points drops?
2021/12/03 17:16:16
Subject: Re:9th edition Space Marine Codex Tactica
Selling off my Primaris Space Wolves to have two armies: the Firstborn Space Wolves and the Primaris Greymanes. My general thinking is a list like this, something mechanized. Seeing as how it's all Firstborn, I don't expect it to be ideal.
The gameplan is as follows:
Characters and Grey Hunters go in the Razorbacks. Razorbacks deploy behind LOS-blocking terrain, Long Fangs do Cunning of the Wolf. Predators and Venerable Dread go where there's good firing lines. Turn 1, Razorbacks move out of cover and towards the midfield objectives while Predators and Ven Dread cover them. Turn 2, Long Fangs come in.
I made choices of Warlord Traits, powers, etc. based on how they were going to be used. I figured that while, say, Hunter is good for a footslogging list, it doesn't serve much purpose in a list that's mechanized.
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++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Space Wolves) [82 PL, 11CP, 1,480pts] ++
+ Configuration +
**Chapter Selector**: Space Wolves
Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)
Detachment Command Cost
+ HQ +
Captain [5 PL, -1CP, 90pts]: Frost Weapon, Master-crafted boltgun, Power axe, Stratagem: Warrior of Legend, The Imperium's Sword, Warlord, Warrior Born
Chaplain [5 PL, 80pts]: 3. Exhortation of Rage, Bolt pistol
Venerable Dreadnought [8 PL, 135pts]: Assault cannon . Great Wolf Claw w/Storm bolter
+ Heavy Support +
Long Fangs [7 PL, 130pts] . Long Fang: Heavy bolter . Long Fang: Heavy bolter . Long Fang: Heavy bolter . Long Fang: Heavy bolter . Long Fang Pack Leader: Astartes Chainsword . . Boltgun and Bolt Pistol
Predator Annihilator [8 PL, 170pts]: Two Lascannons
Predator Annihilator [8 PL, 170pts]: Two Lascannons
Jikes. My inissial thought is that you need more anti tank shooting weapons. I don't know where your 2000 point went. But that is not going to cut it.
You have so much anti infnatery! Heavy bolter razorback, Grey Hunters, heavy bolter long fangs, assault cannon venerable dreadnought. Even your characters are antininfantery.
Slap down some lascannons on this razorback if you can. Change the assault cannon to a multi melta. Give the captain a thunderhammer. (Or power fist.) Change frost weapon to Armour of russ. Give chaplain the chaplain weapon relic.
Remove the long fangs to pay for all of it.
That is my innisial thought. I have not run the numbers.
starting practice with my ultramarines. I have a lot of models, good knowledge of the game through IG, Custodes, and recently orks, but never got to wrap my head around marines.
I though of this list, could you please give me some pointers?
1000 points - Ultramarines patrol
Tigurius warlord with Null Zone, Scourge, Fortress
Primaris Captain with added adept of the codex and seal of oath
5 infiltrator
2*5 intercessor with ABR
3 BGV
1 redemptor with double gatling
3 eradicator with heavy melta
Idea is to castle up with tigurius, captain, dread, eradicators and intercessors, send BGV and infiltrators to midfield, keep captain for base defending countercharge.
2021/12/20 23:25:56
Subject: Re:9th edition Space Marine Codex Tactica
question: how do you guys transport dreads? i have a few of the GW carry cases but i dont really have anything im willing to put my deathwatch redemptor in, and im looking a solution to transporting it other than "juggle it in my hands".
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2021/12/20 23:44:51
Subject: Re:9th edition Space Marine Codex Tactica
xerxeskingofking wrote: question: how do you guys transport dreads? i have a few of the GW carry cases but i dont really have anything im willing to put my deathwatch redemptor in, and im looking a solution to transporting it other than "juggle it in my hands".
I’m a big fan of KR cases. Others swear by battlefoam, DIY magnets, feldher (SP?) or others.
xerxeskingofking wrote: question: how do you guys transport dreads? i have a few of the GW carry cases but i dont really have anything im willing to put my deathwatch redemptor in, and im looking a solution to transporting it other than "juggle it in my hands".
I’m a big fan of KR cases. Others swear by battlefoam, DIY magnets, feldher (SP?) or others.
Metal dreads go in socks.
I have "Really Useful Boxes" with magnetic "paper" lining the bottom and magnets under bases. Nothing moves.
I have a question as a fresh Space Marine noob. Using Battlescribe, I made a list with a Judiciar with the Hero of the Chapter stratagem. Battlescribe then allowed me to give him a Master Crafted Weapon (making his Executioner Relic Blade damage 3) as well as the Warlord trait Imperium's Sword.
My question is if this is legal to do in the rules as his weapon does not have "Master Crafted" but is described as a "Relic" and if this a good idea in general to turn the Judiciar into a melee beatstick?
2022/01/01 18:20:17
Subject: Re:9th edition Space Marine Codex Tactica
my read would be: yes, you could do that. the "relic blade" is likely a relic in the common usage sense of the word rather than the in 40K rules term "Relic" sense. Im a new marine player myself so I cant answer about if it a good idea, though.
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Garfuncle wrote: I have a question as a fresh Space Marine noob. Using Battlescribe, I made a list with a Judiciar with the Hero of the Chapter stratagem. Battlescribe then allowed me to give him a Master Crafted Weapon (making his Executioner Relic Blade damage 3) as well as the Warlord trait Imperium's Sword.
My question is if this is legal to do in the rules as his weapon does not have "Master Crafted" but is described as a "Relic" and if this a good idea in general to turn the Judiciar into a melee beatstick?
Agree with the above opinion.
The Relic restriction is specifically for weapons off the list of Chapter Relics. The Judiciars weapon is neither mastercrafted nor off the relic list and therefore is eligible to be mastercrafted in my view. Same goes for the relic sword you can give to the Vanguard Veteran sargeant.
2022/01/02 21:52:45
Subject: Re:9th edition Space Marine Codex Tactica
When does combat squadding happen in relation to declaring transport passengers? Does it happen before (ie i can combat squad and only load half onto the trasport?) or after (ie all 10 or no ride, even if they are in two squads inside the transport?)
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2022/01/03 04:46:59
Subject: Re:9th edition Space Marine Codex Tactica
When does combat squadding happen in relation to declaring transport passengers? Does it happen before (ie i can combat squad and only load half onto the trasport?) or after (ie all 10 or no ride, even if they are in two squads inside the transport?)
I believes there was an official FAQ to the core rules for this that combat squads and other abilities that take place at the beginning of deployment work prior to declaring reserves and transports.
2022/01/03 12:41:55
Subject: Re:9th edition Space Marine Codex Tactica
When does combat squadding happen in relation to declaring transport passengers? Does it happen before (ie i can combat squad and only load half onto the trasport?) or after (ie all 10 or no ride, even if they are in two squads inside the transport?)
I believes there was an official FAQ to the core rules for this that combat squads and other abilities that take place at the beginning of deployment work prior to declaring reserves and transports.
This is correct. As originally written combat squadding did not work with transports / reserves because of the order of operations. It's now legal to split, then put half in a transport / reserves and the other half in some other location.
Garfuncle wrote: Two questions: Does Bolter Fusillades effect weapons such as Scout Sniper Rifles, Quad Heavy Bolters, and Avenger Bolt Cannons?
And secondly, would replacing two Redemptor Dreads with a Fire Raptor Gunship be effective?
bolter fusillades affect any weapon with the word "bolt" in the name (and relics that directly replace a "bolt" named weapon), so the Scout Sniper rifle is not effected, but the other two are (eliminators with Bolt Sniper Rifles would be, though).
cant comment on the dreads to fire raptor swap. since its not CORE, it can't be buffed anything like as easily as dreads can, but thats a LOT of damage 2 shots to you could be making, and on a high mobility platform it might be able to get some very intresting shots in.
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Replacing the redemptors is, to me, an interesting move simply because right now the redemptors are somewhat overplayed (at least as far as I've seen). To me at least: that would make your list at least a little more interesting to play against.
That being said: two redemptors have a LOT going for them, and I am always hesitant to put "all my eggs in one basket" in 9th edition (where everything is SUPER lethal).
leerm02 wrote: Replacing the redemptors is, to me, an interesting move simply because right now the redemptors are somewhat overplayed (at least as far as I've seen). To me at least: that would make your list at least a little more interesting to play against.
That being said: two redemptors have a LOT going for them, and I am always hesitant to put "all my eggs in one basket" in 9th edition (where everything is SUPER lethal).
My plan is to field three of these beauties (only have two atm) and fill the remaining slots of the elite detachment with Bladeguard (unless I play BA and then Death Company and Sang. Guard will come into action).
Sounds like a battle plan?
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Quick question. I posted this on the BT specific thread but go no response so trying here: if I give a captain (marshal) in Gravis armour the tanhauser’s bones relic, would that make every thing that shoots him whether it be a lasgun to the new Tau Rail rifle eligible for the generic strat from the SM codex that gives him a +1 to his armour save against D1 weapons? Because in this situation every weapon is D1
Give him the Iron Resolve trait as well and he’s gone to 8 wounds at T5 2+ armour (effectively) 4++ invulnerable and then a 5+++
No wolves on Fenris wrote: Quick question. I posted this on the BT specific thread but go no response so trying here: if I give a captain (marshal) in Gravis armour the tanhauser’s bones relic, would that make every thing that shoots him whether it be a lasgun to the new Tau Rail rifle eligible for the generic strat from the SM codex that gives him a +1 to his armour save against D1 weapons? Because in this situation every weapon is D1
Give him the Iron Resolve trait as well and he’s gone to 8 wounds at T5 2+ armour (effectively) 4++ invulnerable and then a 5+++
It should work, since the actual Damage Characteristic is changed.
Note that you'd have to spend CP each phase that he's targeted, and that'd do nothing against the Mortal Wounds from a Railgun.
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