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Apparently not. I had no idea that was the case myself until reading todays post.

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I figure asking T’au players to care about the specific disposition of Ethereal models is about as effective as asking a farsight enclaver to listen to one…

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Having now mostly watched the video I've got a few takes on it.

Fire warriors are going to be very different. They're in 10-man squads minimum, making them less good as action monkeys and objective sitters. On the other hand their guns are a bit better so now they'll fight more. Breachers in scouting devilfish with montka look pretty interesting, especially since there's a strat to jump out after the thing moves. You can really go places and you can put transports full of obsec troops (albeit paper ones) on objectives pretty much before the game starts.

Crisis suits look very respectable. I think a lot of people are going to be annoyed by the rule for suits and commanders that their weapons go up in price after the first one. I went to quite a bit of trouble to get four CIBs for a commander, for example, and now his guns alone would cost 80 points. You're soft-forced into giving suits a mixture of weapons as a result. Many of us will have built our suits with multiples of the same gun for very good reasons and now we'll want to change that.

On the other hand, being able to bring them in on turn 1 by deep strike is very powerful indeed. I think this is how Tau will go about taking the mid-board in games, which is something that they haven't been able to contest as well before now.

Hammerhead railguns are spectacular but I'm not sure they're actually the best guns in the book. Broadsides have spectacular firepower and can be protected by drones, so I think they'll be more common than hammerheads. And in general there are quite a lot of weapons that can chuck out D2 or 3 shots in high numbers. I think those will tend to be more effective in general than railguns.

Overall I'm looking forward to drawing up some lists and maybe getting these guys on the board. They look fun, and potentially extremely effective.
   
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I'm looking over the information.

At least for the slot efficiency, the Kroot Carnivore's Kroot Pack ability looks interesting.

For each Kroot Carnivore unit in your detachment, you get a slotless Kroot Shaper (HQ), Krootox Riders (Elite) and Kroot Hounds (FA) unit.

While some of these units may be point traps, they at least won't crowd out more core T'au HQ/Elite/FA units.
It also gives you the option that if you have a spare 25 points to throw a Shaper/Krootox/Hounds unit.

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Does that mean you can't actually bring a full Kroot detachment, because their only HQ becomes slotless when you include their only troops unit?

edit: Actually, I guess you could bring a vanguard or outrider detachment and skip the carnivores. But where's the fun in that!

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Rihgu wrote:
Does that mean you can't actually bring a full Kroot detachment, because their only HQ becomes slotless when you include their only troops unit?

Correct, thanks to Ro3.

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Rihgu wrote:
Does that mean you can't actually bring a full Kroot detachment, because their only HQ becomes slotless when you include their only troops unit?

edit: Actually, I guess you could bring a vanguard or outrider detachment and skip the carnivores. But where's the fun in that!

At least how it's written, it looks like it gives you the option, but you're not forced to make them slotless, so you could run a full Kroot army, especially since there are now three Kroot Warlord traits and a couple Kroot specific relics.
You'd still be more effective playing a T'au or mixed army, but it's nice to see the option to play Kroot like this.

Master of the Hunt (Aura): While a friendly KROOT unit is within 6”, when a model in that unit makes a ranged attack against an enemy unit within 12”, that enemy does not gain the benefits of cover.

Pack Leader (Aura): While a friendly KROOT unit is within 6”, roll an extra D6 for their charge rolls and discard one of the dice.

Nomadic Hunter (Aura): While a friendly KROOT unit is within 6”, each time a model in that unit makes a ranged attack, if that unit did not fall back this turn, it is treated as stationary.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So the Ethereal on Hover Board has never been available outside of bundles?


That's right, only finecrap/metal Ethereals so far; this guy started all the way back in 7E if iIrc, added on a discount bundle with a Piranha and some Pathfinders, then part of the SC!, now part of this wave. This guy is so undesired because how cheap you can get him that he has become conversion fodder. I wonder what the official price will be.
   
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Does anybody know a site that has deciphered the custom Sept traits from the leaked codex? I can make out less than half of them.
   
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 CMLR wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So the Ethereal on Hover Board has never been available outside of bundles?


That's right, only finecrap/metal Ethereals so far; this guy started all the way back in 7E if iIrc, added on a discount bundle with a Piranha and some Pathfinders, then part of the SC!, now part of this wave. This guy is so undesired because how cheap you can get him that he has become conversion fodder. I wonder what the official price will be.


Don't forget the Coalition Command box where he was bundled with the Commander.

The Ethereal out-dominused the Dominus.

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So everyone in the Facebook groups seems to be having a fit over this.




Despite the entire book being leaked at some point they're still convinced that we're about to see a new model that GW's kept hidden from us all this time.
   
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How painfully fake

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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
How painfully fake


Well the original was posted by the official profile so it's legit in itself, but it's far, far more likely that we'll either see a supplement announcement or just a Black Library release.
   
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Even money says its the painfully obvious FSE mini-supplement in whatever the next campaign book is.
   
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Isn't that an official GW Twitter?
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1485915353519734785

Obviously could also be "we'll reveal a few strats and WL-traits, pretending the book hasn't leaked"

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Yeah, weirdly GW/WarCom have seem to have gone from acknowledging leaks/following them up with official confirmation (remember those "potato-cam" articles in the past where they revealed the previously blurry images that leaked out onto the web?) to just pretending they don't exist and that everything they share is new information.

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Looking at again, my money's just on a BL release. The image is the cover and the "Releases Incoming" text is where the author and title will be.
   
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Seeing how that is clearly Commander Shadowsun, a BL novel about her seems the most likely.

This is the undisguised art, btw

Spoiler:


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I've been seeing mention about a Kroot leak/Kroot rumor posted around various social media channels, apparently something that Valrak leaked/revealed or whatever, but I can't find a source or content/context for what it is, assuming its not just stat/rules rumors from the Tau Codex itself. Some of the posts I've seen seem to imply that its a hint towards a Kroot Mercs book of some sort, but not sure if thats just people reading into something too much or if the rumor is actually about that.

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Sunny Side Up wrote:
Isn't that an official GW Twitter?
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1485915353519734785

Obviously could also be "we'll reveal a few strats and WL-traits, pretending the book hasn't leaked"


Almost like a huge(arguably the vast majority) number of players don't interact with gaming Discords/forums/Reddits and haven't seen the leaks and so this actually would be new info to them.

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chaos0xomega wrote:
I've been seeing mention about a Kroot leak/Kroot rumor posted around various social media channels, apparently something that Valrak leaked/revealed or whatever, but I can't find a source or content/context for what it is, assuming its not just stat/rules rumors from the Tau Codex itself. Some of the posts I've seen seem to imply that its a hint towards a Kroot Mercs book of some sort, but not sure if thats just people reading into something too much or if the rumor is actually about that.

The codex contains Kroot Warlord Traits so some people started musing on the practicality of an all-kroot list which is possible but not necessarily good, then some other people saw that without the original context and now we have kroot mercs codex rumours flying about.

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Gathering the Informations.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
chaos0xomega wrote:
I've been seeing mention about a Kroot leak/Kroot rumor posted around various social media channels, apparently something that Valrak leaked/revealed or whatever, but I can't find a source or content/context for what it is, assuming its not just stat/rules rumors from the Tau Codex itself. Some of the posts I've seen seem to imply that its a hint towards a Kroot Mercs book of some sort, but not sure if thats just people reading into something too much or if the rumor is actually about that.

The codex contains Kroot Warlord Traits so some people started musing on the practicality of an all-kroot list which is possible but not necessarily good, then some other people saw that without the original context and now we have kroot mercs codex rumours flying about.

The rumors were out long before any of the Kroot Warlord traits were known.

The "kroot mercs codex" bit is the usual wild speculative thinking based upon someone's rumor of one thing(in this case, redone Kroot Carnivore Squad with Hounds and Krootox in the box) and another thing(Kroot Warlord Traits+Relics) and coming to a wild conclusion.
   
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 Platuan4th wrote:
Sunny Side Up wrote:
Isn't that an official GW Twitter?
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1485915353519734785

Obviously could also be "we'll reveal a few strats and WL-traits, pretending the book hasn't leaked"


Almost like a huge(arguably the vast majority) number of players don't interact with gaming Discords/forums/Reddits and haven't seen the leaks and so this actually would be new info to them.


Wouldn't that part of the community also not see GW's official online news? So, logically, the only people that see the online reveals are also the ones aware of the leaks.

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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
 Platuan4th wrote:
Sunny Side Up wrote:
Isn't that an official GW Twitter?
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1485915353519734785

Obviously could also be "we'll reveal a few strats and WL-traits, pretending the book hasn't leaked"


Almost like a huge(arguably the vast majority) number of players don't interact with gaming Discords/forums/Reddits and haven't seen the leaks and so this actually would be new info to them.


Wouldn't that part of the community also not see GW's official online news? So, logically, the only people that see the online reveals are also the ones aware of the leaks.


No, because nearly everyone interacts with Facebook and social media where this stuff is posted and so they are more likely to see official stuff. Your "logic" doesn't follow, just being on the internet does not automatically mean you're interacting with the niche parts of it and those leaks are on niche parts.

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Kroots are back, baby!

Field an Entire Army of Upgraded Kroot with Codex: T’au Empire

The leaders of a Kroot pack, known as Shapers, have received a long-deserved promotion to the HQ battlefield role. This means that you can now field Battle-forged armies composed entirely of Kroot units, while Shapers even get a choice of three bespoke Warlord Traits.

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One minor question I have about kroot rules: Other than the Blackstone Fortress character, there are no rules for a Kroot Pistol, despite the fact that the models come with them. Would it be too much to ask that GW throw us a bone and allow kroot to have a pistol backup weapon like Space Marines and their bolter/bolt pistol combo? It would go a bit to making them more viable. If they get stuck in combat at least they can shoot a pistol once before dying.
   
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I like that if you take a Carnivore unit you get dogs, the gorilla, and the leader without taking up detachment slots. Pretty neat. Also, all Kroot army winning a GT when?

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Actually tempted to get a couple of units of Kroot now.
   
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 Valkyrie wrote:
Actually tempted to get a couple of units of Kroot now.


They seem excellent at 6pmm, and the pre-game move seems very good.

11527pts Total (7400pts painted)

4980pts Total (4980pts painted)

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