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Well that episode is most certainly not family friendly.

A massive departure from the tone of the LoTR films, those can be watched and enjoyed by a family. This... not so much, which I think will limit the audience. It just feels like it is aping GoT and being edgy with the gore and limb hacking.

Story is still a bit dull, but my word is it visually stunning.


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The gore has definitely been front and center, but without any of the emotional connection. I feel like the Peter Jackson trilogy made less gory moments feel more intense than this has. Its all shallow and flat.

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Thoroughly enjoyed that, and mummy and daddy said I can get the Collapsing Elven Watchtower Playset with Alexa™ Integration And Secret Dam Release Feature for Christmas!!

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 Azreal13 wrote:
Thoroughly enjoyed that, and mummy and daddy said I can get the Collapsing Elven Watchtower Playset with Alexa™ Integration And Secret Dam Release Feature for Christmas!!


Anyone else think that the tower was a little too easy to collapse. I know Elves have shoddy workmanship, but that thing had all the integrity of play dough.

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So, I appear to have come down with the flu. (Two rapid tests two days apart have consistently come back negative.) So, I am going to take the time I have now to be lucid and mobile to run down to the local drug store and get some fething nyquil.

I'll be back with a more detailed breakdown later, but I will say right now, I really enjoyed this episode and it felt like a pretty good payoff for the buildup we've seen so far. It's also amusingly, if one counts the hours, about where in the theatrical cuts Helps Deep happens and the Jackson Trilogy shifts tone noticeably.


stonehorse wrote:Well that episode is most certainly not family friendly.

A massive departure from the tone of the LoTR films, those can be watched and enjoyed by a family. This... not so much, which I think will limit the audience. It just feels like it is aping GoT and being edgy with the gore and limb hacking.

I will point out, for the record, that the Jackson films have tons of conspicuously bloodless arrow wounds, dismemberments and decapitations. People were very critical about it being too violent back in the day.


stonehorse wrote:
 Azreal13 wrote:
Thoroughly enjoyed that, and mummy and daddy said I can get the Collapsing Elven Watchtower Playset with Alexa™ Integration And Secret Dam Release Feature for Christmas!!


Anyone else think that the tower was a little too easy to collapse. I know Elves have shoddy workmanship, but that thing had all the integrity of play dough.

Its clearly deliberate to some extent, since the weak spot seems to be a rope that can only be severed by a precise arrow shot from within the keep. But I do question whether it would compromise the structure of the tower in a siege scenario - even that may be a side-benefit, since it seems engineered to collapse down into the mountainside approach.

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 stonehorse wrote:
 Azreal13 wrote:
Thoroughly enjoyed that, and mummy and daddy said I can get the Collapsing Elven Watchtower Playset with Alexa™ Integration And Secret Dam Release Feature for Christmas!!


Anyone else think that the tower was a little too easy to collapse. I know Elves have shoddy workmanship, but that thing had all the integrity of play dough.


Super easy, barely an inconvenience! But I also loved how it didn’t mess with the keyhole at all or apparently undue hinderende his access to it.

 
   
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Not seen it yet but I'm a fan of the monster moments in the films. I take it they've delivered on that at least?

Casual gaming, mostly solo-coop these days.

 
   
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A lot of modern fantasy shows get it wrong by not approaching the genre seriously. Of course Fantasy is unrealistic, but that doesn't mean it has to be unbelievable. Tolkien is totally idiosyncratic, that's part of its brilliance, but you can't replicate Tolkien by using the same idiosyncracies and expecting the same result. It seems no-one can write fantasy these days without it coming across as made-for-teens, and that's because there's no depth to the characters or dialogue. Fight scenes are the same old thing: someone's about to get killed, but oh, they're saved at the last second! Again, and again, and again. This is not exciting stuff, it's predictable, and a bit of an insult to the viewer's intelligence. The characters' fortunes are almost designed on a whim, and it prevents you from caring about what happens to them. Stopped watching.

site note: I found Galadriel's height more of a problem than I perhaps should have. Why is she so short? Elves are tall. Will she grow 6 inches in the next few hundred years or what?

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Legloas and Haldir never struck me as particularly tall....

I get what you're saying about the fight scenes, we knew Arondir would get rescued. It would have been better if his own 'badass-ness' had saved him (I thought that the orc might end up down the well) or he was saved by someone unexpected.

I'm still enjoying it. The fleshing out Adar was good is he elf? Is he uruk? Or... is he both?

Spoiler:
The tower resembling the final collapse of Barad-Dur (or should that be the other way around) was a nice touch.
   
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I was expecting Arondir to get saved by one of the guys who called him knife ears in the tavern, and they could then share a brief, meaningful look of respect.

 
   
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 AduroT wrote:
I was expecting Arondir to get saved by one of the guys who called him knife ears in the tavern, and they could then share a brief, meaningful look of respect.


pretty sure the knife ears guy was one of the guys
Spoiler:
dressed like an Orc

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This flu fething sucks, you guys.

So, off the top

This episode exclusively focused on the Galadriel/Numenor and Arondir/Southlands plots lines, and reasonably so, since this is the episode where those two storylines merge.

More importantly a lot of stuff that we saw get gradually set up over the past five episodes get payed off here:
Spoiler:
We get Adar's backstory at last, and while some people seem to think it's a feint of some kind, I think we can take it at face value: He's an elf, possibly even one of the Quendi, twisted and corrupted by Morgoth and an ancestor of the Orcs.

Likewise his plan to kill the sun is completed and we see it was to use that tunnel he had the Orcs digging to redirect vast amounts of water underneath Mt. Doom to cause it to erupt, choking the Southlands in ash and dust until it may be a place where the shadows perpetually lie.

Galadriel's speculation that this can't be just his plan has some merit: the dam or whatever it was was covered in effigies of Sauron and the like, and was clearly very old. For all Adar's talk about wanting to be free of Sauron it seems that some element of all this was planned out well in advance.

Arondir finally works up the nerve to admit how he feels to Bronwyn and I was sure this was sure the moment that arrow went through her she was going to die. I was actually quite surprised she pulled through.

Halbrand, still clearly doubting himself, none the less takes up the title of King of the Southlands at last. Whatever that means after that ending I have no idea.


Honestly, I'd love it if the last two episodes focussed on resolving the other plotlines and we never find out what happens to Galadriel and company until Season 2 - but we already know better from the next episode preview.

Just some thoughts:

Violence.
Spoiler:
This got brought up earlier but I do think it does merit some discussion. Rings of Power is Rated 14+, the same in Amazon's arbitrary rating system as the PG-13 Lord of the Rings movies. It is, however, easily more violent, and the bulk of that difference is in its use of CGI squibs and blood effects that Netflix and other streaming services have been inserting casually into their original programming for years now.

It doesn't look realistically violent in Lord of the Rings when a guy gets his arm lopped off and there's no blood or anything, its equally unrealistic when someone gets their arm lopped off in Rings of Power and there's a big gooey splat of pudding thrown at the camera from out of the stump. It most certainly does not seem more realistic when an orc is trying to strangle our hero while a cartoonish amount of CGI blood is pouring out of his eye socket, in fact, at this point it just becomes obnoxious.

The only point where we become really, well and truly more violent than LotR is the scene where Bronwyn has her arrow wound treated. It contrasts so sharply with Frodo's stab wound where they had to make a goofy dissapearing CGI blade and jump through all sorts of other hoops to keep their PG-13 rating, only for RoP to have multiple closeups of blood gushing out of wounds, burn scars, etc. There's an old joke that you can basically get away with anything in a PG-13 movie as long as you don't swear or show more than 30% of someone's body, but in 2001 that scene absolutely would have landed you an R rating.


Original Ideas.
Spoiler:
AKA the 'fanfic' problem

Last episode we got the 'Elves needing Mithril to live' thing and it's a great example of how wrong things can go when these show writers try to work in their own ideas to flesh out the (very barebones) Second Age material that they have to work with (or exists, at all)

This episode we have a great example of a positive outcome from the same problem: Adar and Galadriel have a great little discussion about the Orcs and whether they deserve to exist and its pretty great.

Tolkien struggled with the orcs for a long time, he had trouble reconciling the idea of an entirely evil race, even at times wanting to renege on the idea that they were originally elves and perhaps were instead corrupted men, or even something else entirely. Galadriel, in her part of the argument, is drawing entirely from published texts: the orcs are a corrupted, ruined form of life, inherantly foul, creations of Morgoth etc.; and Adar's response is, I think, a well considered original idea that is informed by Tolkien's struggle to reconcile these ideas: None of the Ainur can bestow life, only Iluvatar. The ability to live, the right to live, is bestowed by the One and He has given that to the Orcs just as surely as he gave it to the Dwarves and the others.

As far as answers go its a pretty compelling one, even if it doesn't really help the underlying conflict at all.


Music
Spoiler:
Guys this music is so gorgeous, come on now.

Bear McCreary's use of simple leitmotif for different places and persons is coming together so well here.

I can't stop geeking out about it.





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 AduroT wrote:
I was expecting Arondir to get saved by one of the guys who called him knife ears in the tavern, and they could then share a brief, meaningful look of respect.


The guy who calls him knife-ears in the tavern is the guy who...
Spoiler:
was killed by Waldreg to prove his loyalty.


I think, anyway.

That said.

Spoiler:
Tredwill, the big burly villager in the sheepskin who said he was brave and shook his hand after the battle (and then got arrow'd) was one of the hostile villagers in the bar during that scene too.

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Spoiler:
I loved the interrogation scene with Galadriel and Adar. Great performances. They managed to make Galadriel seem like the villain, which was nice. So sure of herself, so contemptuous of the orcs (sorry uruks). Adar is definitely a standout character.
   
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honestly the whole scene between Galadriel and Adar I almost felt was VERY MUCH taken right from tolkiens letters regarding the orks and his conflicted feelings on them

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Spoiler:
I think my only real complaint with episode 6 was the awkward pacing and setup at the beginning - perhaps that it should have had the last bit of episode 5 at the beginning. Idiots on the internet are like "derp how did Numenor ships teleport overnight?!" when it's obvious the timelines aren't running simultaneously. But there is a point there in that I wish we had a bit of a breather between the "land spotted" and "cavalry on the move" scene - even a short scene showing the unloading of the boats with like Elendil getting word that "scouts have spotted smoke" and a "make ready a company of men" line, as an intermediary scene.

Also, I get the idea of stonework pre-engineered to be collapsible to block the pass, but the scene felt cheapened as the audience discovered the purpose _after_ the trap had been sprung. My response, instead of "what? oh WOW!" was instead "what? oh... wait... okay, I see."


Other than that those nitpicks I enjoyed episode 6.

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Well, speaking of who needs to be taller. Elendil. He was called Elendil the Tall. He has a canon height of 7'11" which is only 3 inches shy of the tallest person in all of Tolkeins works(Thingol, who was 8'2" and was the tallest being among Elves or Men)

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pgmason wrote:
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I loved the interrogation scene with Galadriel and Adar. Great performances. They managed to make Galadriel seem like the villain, which was nice. So sure of herself, so contemptuous of the orcs (sorry uruks). Adar is definitely a standout character.


I finally got to see the episode and I agree.

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 judgedoug wrote:
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I think my only real complaint with episode 6 was the awkward pacing and setup at the beginning - perhaps that it should have had the last bit of episode 5 at the beginning. Idiots on the internet are like "derp how did Numenor ships teleport overnight?!" when it's obvious the timelines aren't running simultaneously. But there is a point there in that I wish we had a bit of a breather between the "land spotted" and "cavalry on the move" scene - even a short scene showing the unloading of the boats with like Elendil getting word that "scouts have spotted smoke" and a "make ready a company of men" line, as an intermediary scene.

Also, I get the idea of stonework pre-engineered to be collapsible to block the pass, but the scene felt cheapened as the audience discovered the purpose _after_ the trap had been sprung. My response, instead of "what? oh WOW!" was instead "what? oh... wait... okay, I see."


Other than that those nitpicks I enjoyed episode 6.

I have no issue with time passes stuff but the fact that the army and fleet to liberate a whole continent is.....300 men and 3 ships is frankly pathetic especially given the supposed power of Numenor and the budget of the show - it should have been a vast fleet and legions of soldiers....

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 Mr Morden wrote:

I have no issue with time passes stuff but the fact that the army and fleet to liberate a whole continent is.....300 men and 3 ships is frankly pathetic especially given the supposed power of Numenor and the budget of the show - it should have been a vast fleet and legions of soldiers....


it's an expeditionary force.

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 judgedoug wrote:
 Mr Morden wrote:

I have no issue with time passes stuff but the fact that the army and fleet to liberate a whole continent is.....300 men and 3 ships is frankly pathetic especially given the supposed power of Numenor and the budget of the show - it should have been a vast fleet and legions of soldiers....


it's an expeditionary force.


Yeah, an expeditionary force should be something that could actually handle more than a tiny village's worth of people. Any outbreak of disease or conflict would mean barely enough men left to potentially to man the ships back to warn Numenor. Hell, assuming there's a storm, the expedition could just stop there with this small size.
   
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yeah I don't understand this complaint at all and seems to be borne out of a total misunderstanding or outright ignoring dialog and scenes from episodes. It was discussed several times that Numenor is _not_ going to war so the idea was to send a small number of people to find out what is going on based on what Galadriel has said and to perhaps use Halbrand's position to unite the Southland peoples. To achieve this goal without any political backlash they used an all-volunteer expeditionary force. (The fact that the volunteers heavily outnumbered the positions available also sets up the idea of the Faithful being the ones who will mainly wind up heading to Middle-earth)

Sending a massive invasion force 5,000 dudes without any proper reconnaissance of the political and military disposition of the region is a recipe for disaster both at home and where they're going.

With a foothold achieved and assuming diplomatic ties gained with the inhabitants then additional ships would arrive to establish trade routes and colonies with a real military presence (also discussed in the show).

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Some might be the problem of them cramming all of the 2nd age into one lifetime.

Numenor was all over middle earth for large parts of it, building cities and fortresses. But I’m not getting that from the show. Bit of a disconnect.

   
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 judgedoug wrote:
yeah I don't understand this complaint at all and seems to be borne out of a total misunderstanding or outright ignoring dialog and scenes from episodes.


Then why is the Queen going if this is a small scouting mission?

Monarchs do not go anywhere without a small army following them. 5,000 soldiers would be the bare minimum for a monarch leaving their countries borders to a known hostile location. This is not ignoring the dialogue or scenes. It is judging those scenes in light of the background and setting.

I could maybe forgive it if the queen had NOT gone, but she did.

Furthermore, the 3 ships that did go are simply too small to carry 100 people each. They can barely have 20 people on their decks, no way do they have 300 people each AND 250-300 horses too.

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 Grey Templar wrote:

Monarchs do not go anywhere without a small army following them. 5,000 soldiers would be the bare minimum for a monarch leaving their countries borders to a known hostile location. This is not ignoring the dialogue or scenes. It is judging those scenes in light of the background and setting.

One would assume because the Queen-regent has authorized the expedition and going lends the legitimacy it needs (to gain the volunteers) and, on a personal reason, she had a vision(s) of the destruction of Numenor coupled with witnessing the literal intervention by God of Nimloth shedding it's leaves. Add on the assumption (correct or not) of Halbrand's royal lineage and Galadriel's station and it seems less than politic to not accompany them. Personally, the sign from Eru that if you don't do what Galadriel asks is enough reasoning for me, not counting the other things.

 Grey Templar wrote:

I could maybe forgive it if the queen had NOT gone, but she did.

It seems like you have already formed an opinion and will not be swayed from it regardless.

 Grey Templar wrote:

Furthermore, the 3 ships that did go are simply too small to carry 100 people each. They can barely have 20 people on their decks, no way do they have 300 people each AND 250-300 horses too.


This is one of the many recent internet complaints, but considering we know that Ramsey Avery constructed a full size ship (with 30-foot sails) and bothered to hire real-life sailors to make the seafaring scenes as accurate as possible I'm going to toss this one into the "wholly ignorable criticism" by sheer weight of value of an expert designing the ships, until the inevitable behind-the-scenes production books are released and either confirm or deny the volume and mass requirements of stowage.

This show has a lot of problems and I feel I'm in an awkward position by defending it, but criticisms should be justified and not carte blanche complaints

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If you feel awkward defending the show, it probably shows that its not worth defending.

Just because the ships are legitimate ships doesn't mean they aren't too small. Yes, they are very nice ships. I have no issue with the design or how they function. They're just. too. dang. small. for 100 people and some number of horses each. This shows there is a disconnect between the writers, prop producers, and everything else. Nobody is crosschecking to see that everything fits. Complaining that the ships and the # of people shown does not match what was said in dialogue is a legitimate complaint. As is complaining that the scale is off.

And this is an issue that has no reason to exist. They have the budget to have more ships, or make the ships bigger, have more extras, etc... They did not do any of those things.

The ship is a very nice set/prop. One they clearly copy-pasted using CGI to make there be 2 more. Why they didn't do that 5-10 more times so we had a more believable scale is a clearly bad decision. It flies in the face of how Numenor is described, large and powerful with a massive navy and disciplined soldiers and sailors. The scale they have delivered is kinda lame when you take it all in together,


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 judgedoug wrote:

One would assume because the Queen-regent has authorized the expedition and going lends the legitimacy it needs (to gain the volunteers) and, on a personal reason, she had a vision(s) of the destruction of Numenor coupled with witnessing the literal intervention by God of Nimloth shedding it's leaves. Add on the assumption (correct or not) of Halbrand's royal lineage and Galadriel's station and it seems less than politic to not accompany them. Personally, the sign from Eru that if you don't do what Galadriel asks is enough reasoning for me, not counting the other things.


One would assume that a ruler that felt so strongly about the divine signs would send more support on the mission than a paltry 300 people on 3 tiny ships...

If they wanted to keep it small scale, make the Queen not involved at all beyond giving token approval. Have Elendil finance it out of his personal pockets and those of the Faithful. This would excuse the smaller scale of the expedition, though I would still say they'd need a dozen ships of the size shown to properly match what is stated as the number of people.

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 judgedoug wrote:
yeah I don't understand this complaint at all and seems to be borne out of a total misunderstanding or outright ignoring dialog and scenes from episodes. It was discussed several times that Numenor is _not_ going to war so the idea was to send a small number of people to find out what is going on based on what Galadriel has said and to perhaps use Halbrand's position to unite the Southland peoples. To achieve this goal without any political backlash they used an all-volunteer expeditionary force. (The fact that the volunteers heavily outnumbered the positions available also sets up the idea of the Faithful being the ones who will mainly wind up heading to Middle-earth)

Sending a massive invasion force 5,000 dudes without any proper reconnaissance of the political and military disposition of the region is a recipe for disaster both at home and where they're going.

With a foothold achieved and assuming diplomatic ties gained with the inhabitants then additional ships would arrive to establish trade routes and colonies with a real military presence (also discussed in the show).


5000 not "massive invasion force", that would be a small expeditionary force considering much of it would be supply and support. They are supposed to be taking back a continent - and they are not sending scouts, not patrols but wandering far inland - I assume they are nowhere near the sea but its not at all clear.

No one is asking Galadriel why they are not linking up with the Elves.

It just looks all very petty and small scale - god knows what they spent the budget on.

And everything GRey Templar said!

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 Mr Morden wrote:
5000 not "massive invasion force", that would be a small expeditionary force considering much of it would be supply and support. They are supposed to be taking back a continent - and they are not sending scouts, not patrols but wandering far inland - I assume they are nowhere near the sea but its not at all clear.

There were 6000 Rohirrim at Pelennor and that was a pretty big scrap. Likewise, when William of Normandy invaded England, he did so with about 7-12000 soldiers and it's noted that his army was large for the time.
If Middle Earth conflicts are similar in scale to Medieval ones (the exceptions being the armies of Mordor where they can just pop Orcs out of the ground), 5000 mounted troops with ships and the ruler of the nation is an invasion force, not one that is trying to act as a supporting force to avoid political turmoil in the homeland. The goal of this expedition is to establish the strength of the enemy, reinstall the king of the Southlands, restore a bit of stability to the region (thereby allowing trade and cash money to flow) and to not ignore the signs of god telling you to do stuff. The people of Numenor didn't want war so the Queen is trying to do all of this without actually declaring war.

It just looks all very petty and small scale - god knows what they spent the budget on.

The sets, the CG, the actors, the extras, the costumes, the marketing...
It is still a very visually impressive show and that is clearly where the money has gone.
   
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 Grey Templar wrote:
If you feel awkward defending the show, it probably shows that its not worth defending.


The point being I'd rather discuss actual issues with the show, none of which these happen to be.


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 Gert wrote:
It is still a very visually impressive show and that is clearly where the money has gone.


Yeah, we know Season 1 cost 700 million, including the rights (somewhere north of 200 million but less than Netflix's 250 million bid for its "Aragorn drama" pitch), but also absorbed much of the production costs for the entire series - with seasons 2+ expected to cost "considerably less" than season 1

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 judgedoug wrote:

Yeah, we know Season 1 cost 700 million, including the rights (somewhere north of 200 million but less than Netflix's 250 million bid for its "Aragorn drama" pitch), but also absorbed much of the production costs for the entire series - with seasons 2+ expected to cost "considerably less" than season 1


Presumably a lot of up-front cost went on things like building sets for Numenor, Khazad Dum etc which will be re-used throughout, as well as building up stocks of costumes and props.
   
 
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