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WASR or Zastava are both excellent. Get the one you like the look of better.

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I've decided I'm going to build a "Mac Daddy". Ridiculous name, cool concept.

Basically, it's a modified AR-15 lower that accepts 9mm Glock mags, uses an AR fire control group and handle, but mates to a Mac-11 upper.

Why would I want such a monstrosity? Fun to build, cheap to get all the parts, and hey, it's a subgun that takes Glock mags.
   
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 ScarletRose wrote:
So I've been working some overtime to save up for my first AK. I'm planning to budget roughly $1200. I've been reading up and I feel like there's three options:

WASR
The intro AK. Obviously I can get it for significantly less than my budget, but I do want a folding stock so I'll probably still be spending on some upgrades. It's a basic, reliable rifle.

Zastava ZPAP
I can get the model with a triangle side folding stock for my budget. I've heard lots of good things, it seems super durable with the thicker receiver and bulged trunnion. But that comes at the cost of being heavier, and having Yugo pattern parts. So any furniture or scope mount stuff I buy will be out of a narrower market of potential parts.

Also no bayonet mount, which (while wildly impractical) is still something that would be nice to have.

WBP Fox
I've also heard good things about this one. Polish quality costs a bit more, so any changes to the furniture will have to wait until later. On the plus side it uses standard AKM parts so it'll be easier to find stuff. Basically this is the opposite of the WASR option - invest more in the base unit at the cost of the upgrades.

Obviously, the market can change and any of these can become a better/worse option. And I'm planning to visit my LGS this Sat. to see if they have a good deal on anything.


Sounds like you want 7.62 and not 5.45 or 5.56? The reality of buying a rifle now is that you will need to probably spend closer to 2 or 3 grand to get everything you need to have a nice set up.

I built my AK74 years ago with Bulgarian parts, back then it there were a lot of options and for much less money. The old Arsenal imports were essentially what many would consider a premium AK that's not from Jim Fuller. If you can find any on the used market and you can pay the slightly gouged prices I'd go for that. You can still buy new ones, but they are the milled variety. Back when they were coming in like crazy I didn't wanna buy one because I thought they were a little much, so I went and built my rifle. Now I wish I had bought 10. Still love my build though. Here's a list of AKs that are currently available and are of good quality:

Arsenal SAM7R at $1800:
https://www.k-var.com/sam7r-762x39-ak47-rifle-milled-receiver

Zastava ZPAP poly M70 priced under $1000:
https://dkfirearms.com/product/zastava-arms-ak-47-zpap-m70-poly-furniture/

KUSA KR-103 Rifle under $1200:
https://kalashnikov-usa.com/product/kr-103-7-62x39mm-rifle/

WBP Foxes under $1300:
https://atlanticfirearms.com/wbp-poland?criteria%5Bavailability%5D=in_stock&criteria%5Bmanufacturer%5D=160

WBP Foxes under $1300:
https://armsofamerica.com/wbp-fox-ak47-rifle-classic/

WBP Mini-Jack Pistol under $900:
https://armsofamerica.com/wbp-polish-mini-jack-ak47-7-62x39-pistol/

Arsenal SAM5 in 5.56 under $2000
https://www.k-var.com/arsenal-sam5-556x45mm-semi-auto-milled-receiver-ak47-rifle

FB Radom Mini-Beryl Pistol in 5.56 under $1200:
https://armsofamerica.com/fb-radom-mini-beryl-pistol-223-5-56/

Zastava ZPAP M90 in 5.56 under $1300:
https://dkfirearms.com/product/zastava-arms-pap-m90-ps-5-56mm-rifle/

KUSA KP-9 AK Pistol under $1200:
https://kalashnikov-usa.com/product/kp-9-9x19mm-pistol-kalashnikov-usa/

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 ScarletRose wrote:
WASR
The intro AK. Obviously I can get it for significantly less than my budget, but I do want a folding stock so I'll probably still be spending on some upgrades. It's a basic, reliable rifle.


If you're thinking of like an authentic side-folder or underfolder, be aware that those use different rear trunnion designs from fixed-stock AKs. Polish and East German side-folding wire stocks, though, will fit on a fixed-stock trunnion.

 ScarletRose wrote:
Zastava ZPAP
I can get the model with a triangle side folding stock for my budget. I've heard lots of good things, it seems super durable with the thicker receiver and bulged trunnion. But that comes at the cost of being heavier, and having Yugo pattern parts. So any furniture or scope mount stuff I buy will be out of a narrower market of potential parts.


I had a Zastava. There was nothing really wrong per se, but that thicker receiver is heavier to no practical durability gain, and the stock design has a very high comb that is quite unpleasant for some facial structures. I ended up putting an M76 stock on it, then eventually selling it. It is a much more limited ecosystem of parts so if you want to dress up an AK I would not opt for Yugo.

   
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Another idiot question.

For mass produced models, have you ever bought one where it needed a wee bit of tinkering to get it working smoothly?

I’m thinking like the end of the barrel which sits by the receiver (?) might have some burring etc which you needed to file down.

And are there mass produced weapons where a given modification might as well be considered standard?

   
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Burring on any type of finished firearm would be a serious quality control problem. Especially in any areas of moving parts. You would of course NEVER want to take grinder or a file to any part a gun unless you know what you are doing. Especially to the barrel as that could effect accuracy. Burring on either end of the barrel would be horrible. The chamber end would interfere with chambering and/or lockup of the action, which would result in lots of jams and/or out of battery detonations. The muzzle end would mean horrible accuracy as an uneven muzzle can mess up the bullet's spin as it exists the barrel.

What sort of modifications are you thinking about? There are a lot of weapons which have standard features that might be optional on others. Two different manufacturers making a cheap AR15 will probably have 4-5 different packages each with different options.

I would say most firearms have a breaking in period for sure. Recoil springs can be stiff for the first few hundredish rounds. Firearms without the most precision of manufacturing may result in some parts grinding against each other till they have worn each other down and begin working completely smoothly(we're talking maybe a few dozen micrometres of material getting worn away)

My 1911 took a few dozen mag dumps before the recoil spring was nice and smooth when I was manually manipulating it. Fresh springs are always a little stiff till they've been worked a little bit.

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To emulate above, in general, if a gun has defects that require tool work, its not a well made gun. Hell, even late model Remington 870s had a large QC issue with their chamber cutting that could be resolved with steel wool on a drill, but the fact that there was such an issue where the shells start sticking alone is not a good one.

Break in though is a thing any gun generally will end up doing, as fresh from the factory guns have factory grease, things to keep it stored safely, and any number of other minor things to keep them from being troublesome. One example I can think of in breaking in a gun was when I got a new upper for my AR it wasn't cycling steel case wolf as it generally doesn't have the same burn curve as say M193 clone spec cartridges, but it started cycling it cleanly after a proper mag of ammo to 'burn in' the gas port so to say so everything could move neatly.
   
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Thanks everyone for the responses.

WASR or Zastava are both excellent. Get the one you like the look of better.


Yeah, they both seem like solid choices.

Dagstyrr wrote:
Sounds like you want 7.62 and not 5.45 or 5.56? The reality of buying a rifle now is that you will need to probably spend closer to 2 or 3 grand to get everything you need to have a nice set up.


Well, 5.45 is pretty much dead as I understand it. Very little import or domestic production, and prices on rifles in that caliber are through the roof. IIRC Kalashnikov USA might be producing a new 5.45 rifle, and some others, but just as with miniatures or pc games I'm a wait and see type of person. A lot of new stuff can end up just being vaporware.

5.56 I'm more ambivalent about. There are definitely upsides to using a lighter, more common cartridge. But I already own an SKS and the prospect of stocking up on 2 different rounds isn't appealing. In addition, while almost every 7.62 magazine is going to work (and some can be quite cheap since so many were made) not every 5.56 mag works in every 5.56 AK. There's no Soviet standardization of the magazine and while the cartridge does dictate most of the dimensions there's still some incompatibilities.

I know eventually my outlay might be higher once I factor in optics, furniture, muzzle device, any other bits I want to change or just have, etc. But right now I'm at the initial purchase step - buy the rifle and then pick up the rest as I go along.

I'm thinking something along the lines of:

WASR
https://atlanticfirearms.com/century-wasr-10-black-widow-AK-47-Rifle-ri4313-n-RI4313-N-787450690936

Zastava with a folding triangle already built in
https://atlanticfirearms.com/zpapm70-serbian-red-side-folder-rifle-zastava-arms-Z7762RTF-685757098342

catbarf wrote:I had a Zastava. There was nothing really wrong per se, but that thicker receiver is heavier to no practical durability gain, and the stock design has a very high comb that is quite unpleasant for some facial structures. I ended up putting an M76 stock on it, then eventually selling it. It is a much more limited ecosystem of parts so if you want to dress up an AK I would not opt for Yugo.


See this is the kind of thing I was looking to hear about. I know the newer ZPAP doesn't have the high comb on the stock that gave people trouble, but the extra weight vs. durability is the thing I wondered about.

The Yugo AK pattern is interesting to me since it's such an evolutionary offshoot - it was based on captured AKs that were taken from border guards of neighboring countries. So it's this combination of reverse engineering and native elements that's kind of intriguing.

But there is definitely a trade-off to uniqueness.

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I cannot believe how expensive AKs have gotten.

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 Ouze wrote:
I cannot believe how expensive AKs have gotten.


Part of it really came down to the cheap kits from Eastern Europe dried up and importing got harder or banned for some cheaper floor models. Fact that domestic production AKs have really only gotten to the point of spec forged trunnions with KUSA if they're done from scratch or playing QC games with PSA AKs is more the reality of the gun being a bit more difficult to produce than just buying the same cheap 16" barrel everyone buys for an AR for their budget price point models. That and IO/Century produced AKs made a lot of people shy about the cheap ones for explosive reasons.
   
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Another idiot question.

For mass produced models, have you ever bought one where it needed a wee bit of tinkering to get it working smoothly?

I’m thinking like the end of the barrel which sits by the receiver (?) might have some burring etc which you needed to file down.


I have, but like others have said it's usually a QC issue since guns are expected to work. I have a cheap Chinese-made copy of a Winchester 1887 that out of the box was extremely gritty, had a rough chamber which would cause shells to stick after firing, and some minor dimensional issues that caused feed and function problems. It required a little bit of filing to internal components, cycling the action with toothpaste as an abrasive to slick it up (old trick I picked up from cowboy action shooters), and running a brass brush on a power drill through the chamber to polish it. And now it works exactly as it should.

It also had boring brown wood:



Which cleaned up very nicely with paint stripper and refinishing:



Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:And are there mass produced weapons where a given modification might as well be considered standard?


Usually, when that's the case, it's because of undesired functionality.

Some handguns, for example, are manufactured with magazine disconnects, which prevent the weapon from firing when a magazine isn't inserted. It's intended as a safety measure, but the prevailing school of thought is that it's unnecessary, and disconnects typically have negative impact on the trigger pull. So, disabling it is a common modification.

There are some quality-of-life add-ons that are pretty popular for certain platforms, but I can't think of any that are must-have, as usually guns don't leave the factory with glaring deficiencies. For Steyr AUGs, for example, there's a bolt-on deflector that makes cases eject forwards rather than backwards, which is nice to have if you have to shoot left-handed (or are left-handed and didn't buy a left-handed AUG) so that the cases are ejected away from you rather than into your face. I've also seen drop-in parts that convert the ambidextrous (on both sides of the gun) safety on the CZ Scorpion Evo to left-side only, to avoid accidentally hitting the right-side safety during use. But both of these aren't correcting flaws so much as adjusting to user needs/preference.

   
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The Scorpion safety really does need to be changed right out of the box. It's not a case of accidentally hitting the right side safety lever so much as the safety digging a hole in your trigger finger when shooting. It isn't even a 'positive' safety that hits your trigger finger alerting you to the fact that the weapon is still on safe. The lever hits you when it's off safe. I guess that does create a tactile reminder of its position but I installed the right side delete after the first range trip.

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Its to be expected that such a tiny gun would have some ergo issues. You would think they could have, idk, reversed the safety somehow. IE: Have up out of the way be ready to fire and down and annoying be safety on.

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 catbarf wrote:
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Another idiot question.

For mass produced models, have you ever bought one where it needed a wee bit of tinkering to get it working smoothly?

I’m thinking like the end of the barrel which sits by the receiver (?) might have some burring etc which you needed to file down.


I have, but like others have said it's usually a QC issue since guns are expected to work. I have a cheap Chinese-made copy of a Winchester 1887 that out of the box was extremely gritty, had a rough chamber which would cause shells to stick after firing, and some minor dimensional issues that caused feed and function problems. It required a little bit of filing to internal components, cycling the action with toothpaste as an abrasive to slick it up (old trick I picked up from cowboy action shooters), and running a brass brush on a power drill through the chamber to polish it. And now it works exactly as it should.

It also had boring brown wood:



Which cleaned up very nicely with paint stripper and refinishing:



Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:And are there mass produced weapons where a given modification might as well be considered standard?


Usually, when that's the case, it's because of undesired functionality.

Some handguns, for example, are manufactured with magazine disconnects, which prevent the weapon from firing when a magazine isn't inserted. It's intended as a safety measure, but the prevailing school of thought is that it's unnecessary, and disconnects typically have negative impact on the trigger pull. So, disabling it is a common modification.

There are some quality-of-life add-ons that are pretty popular for certain platforms, but I can't think of any that are must-have, as usually guns don't leave the factory with glaring deficiencies. For Steyr AUGs, for example, there's a bolt-on deflector that makes cases eject forwards rather than backwards, which is nice to have if you have to shoot left-handed (or are left-handed and didn't buy a left-handed AUG) so that the cases are ejected away from you rather than into your face. I've also seen drop-in parts that convert the ambidextrous (on both sides of the gun) safety on the CZ Scorpion Evo to left-side only, to avoid accidentally hitting the right-side safety during use. But both of these aren't correcting flaws so much as adjusting to user needs/preference.


I have one of those shotguns too. I don't know if it was my large fingers, or if I just shoot weird, but when I took it out to shoot (negetive 5 degrees , Thanksgiving 2018), The first shot was awesome, the second shot was okay, third shot was "huh, that hits your trigger finger a bit", Fourth shot was "man, beginning to hurt", and by the time I emptied the chamber I was pretty much done for the day. Definitely a weapon I'll only shoot with padded gloves.

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 Insurgency Walker wrote:
The Scorpion safety really does need to be changed right out of the box. It's not a case of accidentally hitting the right side safety lever so much as the safety digging a hole in your trigger finger when shooting. It isn't even a 'positive' safety that hits your trigger finger alerting you to the fact that the weapon is still on safe. The lever hits you when it's off safe. I guess that does create a tactile reminder of its position but I installed the right side delete after the first range trip.


The first thing I did with my Scorpion (EVO 3 S2 Micro) was also swapping out the safety to an aftermarket one that shorted and reversed the levers. What a terrible design.

The second was to replace the charging handle with an extended one.

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I'll tell you, it has been pulling teeth to find reloading components lately. Looks like everybody has taken up reloading. Had to travel to 4 different stores and buy online to get components to reload .44 magnum. And I could only find 3 boxes of actual ammunition as well.

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 Grey Templar wrote:
I'll tell you, it has been pulling teeth to find reloading components lately. Looks like everybody has taken up reloading. Had to travel to 4 different stores and buy online to get components to reload .44 magnum. And I could only find 3 boxes of actual ammunition as well.


Yeah, same over here, I need to stock up on primers!

Ammo is getting thinner on the ground too.

   
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Common ammo has been coming back, but the more niche stuff hasn't. 44 magnum seems to be one of those calibers that people are snapping up, but the manufacturers aren't increasing production like they have with the more common rounds.

At least round nose .45 isn't being sold for $70 for a box of 50 around here anymore.

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 Grey Templar wrote:
Common ammo has been coming back, but the more niche stuff hasn't. 44 magnum seems to be one of those calibers that people are snapping up, but the manufacturers aren't increasing production like they have with the more common rounds.

At least round nose .45 isn't being sold for $70 for a box of 50 around here anymore.



Oof, it never got above $40 here, but selection is still limited (Winchester white box for my .45). 9mm can still be hard to find here in places. And some stores were tying the purchase of a gun to being able to buy ammo. It's actually part of why I bought my 1911, .45 was cheaper and easier to find than 9mm.



I've actually been looking at my hefty tax return, and the projected profit from selling my house, and eyeing up Springfield's new bullpup, the Hellion. I'm not 100% on board with the look of it, but the fact that I can make it ambi without tools is a huge plus, since I'm the only lefty in my group.

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I've been wanting a Bullpup for a while. They make the Hellion in FDE and I might have to break down and grab one.

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Online reviews of the Hellion say it's on par with a Tavor. Demand is high and supply low though. I'd wait a while for street prices to drop, unless you are willing to pay through the nose.
   
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 Inquisitor Lord Bane wrote:
 Grey Templar wrote:
Common ammo has been coming back, but the more niche stuff hasn't. 44 magnum seems to be one of those calibers that people are snapping up, but the manufacturers aren't increasing production like they have with the more common rounds.

At least round nose .45 isn't being sold for $70 for a box of 50 around here anymore.



Oof, it never got above $40 here, but selection is still limited (Winchester white box for my .45). 9mm can still be hard to find here in places. And some stores were tying the purchase of a gun to being able to buy ammo. It's actually part of why I bought my 1911, .45 was cheaper and easier to find than 9mm.



I've actually been looking at my hefty tax return, and the projected profit from selling my house, and eyeing up Springfield's new bullpup, the Hellion. I'm not 100% on board with the look of it, but the fact that I can make it ambi without tools is a huge plus, since I'm the only lefty in my group.



Definitely interested in this baby.

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Crossover hobby time here, and a serious question.

I know someone that had a workplace accident that left them with partial paralysis in their right hand. After surgery and physical therapy he has grip in the hand, but finer motor control is a bit wonky for him, and his trigger finger occasionally spasms on its own. Obviously NOT an ideal situation for a right handed shooter. He has taught himself somewhat to shoot lefty, but he's nowhere near as good as he once was.

Now that I have a 3D printer I think I have an idea. Imagine a bullpup linkage, but on a normally stocked gun. Basically, a forward pistol grip, and a right handed person would be pulling the trigger with their left hand. He has an AR with a lower picatinny rail, so this wouldn't need to be a permanent mod should he hate it.

Obviously this would take some getting used to, but I'm thinking it would be easier than learning to shoot lefty for him. Opinions on this?

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I mean, it could work. The triggers on that sort of thing are usually a little wonky though but nothing you can't fix with some tweaking.

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 cuda1179 wrote:
Crossover hobby time here, and a serious question.

I know someone that had a workplace accident that left them with partial paralysis in their right hand. After surgery and physical therapy he has grip in the hand, but finer motor control is a bit wonky for him, and his trigger finger occasionally spasms on its own. Obviously NOT an ideal situation for a right handed shooter. He has taught himself somewhat to shoot lefty, but he's nowhere near as good as he once was.

Now that I have a 3D printer I think I have an idea. Imagine a bullpup linkage, but on a normally stocked gun. Basically, a forward pistol grip, and a right handed person would be pulling the trigger with their left hand. He has an AR with a lower picatinny rail, so this wouldn't need to be a permanent mod should he hate it.

Obviously this would take some getting used to, but I'm thinking it would be easier than learning to shoot lefty for him. Opinions on this?


Question. Is this person right eye dominant? Do all of his right hand fingers spasm or just the trigger finger?

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 Inquisitor Lord Bane wrote:
I've actually been looking at my hefty tax return, and the projected profit from selling my house, and eyeing up Springfield's new bullpup, the Hellion. I'm not 100% on board with the look of it, but the fact that I can make it ambi without tools is a huge plus, since I'm the only lefty in my group.


Just FYI, Steyr AUGs come in left-handed flavors, and Corvus Defensio makes a deflector that allows them to be shot ambi.

Can't comment on the Hellion (I am also interested), but I have been quite happy with my AUG.

   
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I'm tempted by the hellion because... it's cool looking, but ultimately, I don't need 5.56, really. Let alone one in a bullpup config,which is always a challenge for my tiny T-rex arms.

but it IS cool looking...

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I want a Hellion so bad to go with the Aug and Tavor. The cool factor on that thing just hits the spot.

I just can't justify the price on a new toy right now. Maybe next year, particularly if they drop several hundred like most such rifles seem to do after a year or so.

Two rifles I thought I'd have acquired by now, a Galil Ace in 556 and a Bren 2, I still haven't, as the price of everything started to skyrocket once 2020 hit. Paying full, or above, MRSP on firearms is too rich for my blood.

Alas...

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 Insurgency Walker wrote:
 cuda1179 wrote:
Crossover hobby time here, and a serious question.

I know someone that had a workplace accident that left them with partial paralysis in their right hand. After surgery and physical therapy he has grip in the hand, but finer motor control is a bit wonky for him, and his trigger finger occasionally spasms on its own. Obviously NOT an ideal situation for a right handed shooter. He has taught himself somewhat to shoot lefty, but he's nowhere near as good as he once was.

Now that I have a 3D printer I think I have an idea. Imagine a bullpup linkage, but on a normally stocked gun. Basically, a forward pistol grip, and a right handed person would be pulling the trigger with their left hand. He has an AR with a lower picatinny rail, so this wouldn't need to be a permanent mod should he hate it.

Obviously this would take some getting used to, but I'm thinking it would be easier than learning to shoot lefty for him. Opinions on this?


Question. Is this person right eye dominant? Do all of his right hand fingers spasm or just the trigger finger?
He is right eye dominant, and he trigger finger, and middle finger I have seen spasm, unsure about the rest, but I think the thumb is okay.
   
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 cuda1179 wrote:
Online reviews of the Hellion say it's on par with a Tavor. Demand is high and supply low though. I'd wait a while for street prices to drop, unless you are willing to pay through the nose.


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