Adeptus Mechanicus Tactica 3.0: Riding the Dunes

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**Fishborne**

Did the knight of the Cog keyword get removed? Why is everyone saying Knights cost 3cp when they should cost 0cp? (For a super aux)

**xerxeskingofking**

Fishborne wrote:
Did the knight of the Cog keyword get removed? Why is everyone saying Knights cost 3cp when they should cost 0cp? (For a super aux)

becuase the 0CP super aux is tied to having a shared faction keyword...which admech and knights do not have (discounting IMPERIUM). the rule is intended to allow orks to take stompas, and necrons their monoliths, but not give admech or marines "free" access to knights.

**Swague**

Dead thread?

**xerxeskingofking**

seems like it. Im currently not really running my admech, i never really got past 500points with them. im looking at pushing that up to 1k but not anytime soon. i just....decided to concentrate on other armies.

**Thairne**

I mean Adm is pretty dead.
There's no new stuff, new rules or new tactics to talk about. The faction performs terribly. The buffs "just" undid nerfs, so back to already talked about levels.
When in about 3-4 Weeks the next dataslate drops and something is in for "us" again...

**EviscerationPlague**

I stopped touching AdMech the moment troops were relegated to the silly "only weapons available are in the kit".

**Mariongodspeed**

Even Richard Siegler couldn't take AdMech all the way to a win last time he tried.

Any discussion right now basically heads into a discussion as to how GW could make the army competitive again.

**Vineheart01**

i've tried to use my admech since i havent touched them in a long time and they just dont work...
Far, far too many pre-game CP demands imo. And with codex creep as bad as it is most of the codex is just "meh" and very little stands out.

Not sure if theyre worse than Guard right now but pretty damn low on the totem pole.

**Mariongodspeed**

Our 5-week average win rate is still holding steady at 39% (below even Guard's 41% and Chaos Demon's 44%) so yeah, we are worse off that the remaining 8th edition codexes.

Of the 9th edition codexes,we have the lowest faction winrate (though some subfactions with very few games played, like Raven Guard and Imperial fists, are lower).

Lets hope the next balance patch takes us out of trash-tier.

**ph34r**

In building 10 skitarii to clear out of my pile of shame, I'm wondering, what should I build them as?

I have 15 basic rangers and 10 basic vanguard.

Should I make more basic guys of one sort or the other, or special weapons, or omnispexes I guess?

**laam999**

I'd say build them rule of cool. Build what you like. I don't think we'll bee competitive again in 9th and there is no way to tell what 10th will bring.

**Vortenger**

I'd build the special weapons but used the uncowled heads so they could stand in as either vanguard or rangers. Arquebus is a pretty safe bet for rangers, methinks.

I really dislike that the community has hit this space of dead air for tactics and battle reports, but you can't blame anyone with AdMech's recent performance.

I finally got my second game of 9th AdMech last week and got wrecked. Finally got to try out my wingbois and horsebois. Loved the cavalry, most of everything got shot off the board by turn 3 though. Vanguard and Sicarians were the MVPs for what little I accomplished.

**D6Damager**

Mariongodspeed wrote:
Our 5-week average win rate is still holding steady at 39% (below even Guard's 41% and Chaos Demon's 44%) so yeah, we are worse off that the remaining 8th edition codexes.

Of the 9th edition codexes,we have the lowest faction winrate (though some subfactions with very few games played, like Raven Guard and Imperial fists, are lower).

Lets hope the next balance patch takes us out of trash-tier.

Where are you finding these stats?

**Mariongodspeed**

r/warhammercompetitve

“Meta Monday” every Monday J.C.M.Shurtlef posts updated data.

There’s no new Admech data for this week because no one ran Admech in the reported data last week.

**Thairne**

Oof.
Also, admech has the highest difference between vet and casual players.
Which means... the codex itself is just very tough to play. Which we know already.

But it also means, even with the dataslab doing "good" things, the complexity will still remain...

**Madjob**

I don't necessarily want a return to cutting edge competitiveness, I just want the army out of the "solved" hole it's in. Especially where the Skitarii/Mechanicus split is concerned. Canticles could use some love to help them stack up against the Imperatives, and if that means Mars dogma is changed to avoid constantly stacking two types of army-wide buffs each turn, so be it. As it is, the book is Codex: Skitarii with guest starring Tech-Priests, occasionally the cheeky unit of electro-priests.

**EviscerationPlague**

Madjob wrote:
I don't necessarily want a return to cutting edge competitiveness, I just want the army out of the "solved" hole it's in. Especially where the Skitarii/Mechanicus split is concerned. Canticles could use some love to help them stack up against the Imperatives, and if that means Mars dogma is changed to avoid constantly stacking two types of army-wide buffs each turn, so be it. As it is, the book is Codex: Skitarii with guest starring Tech-Priests, occasionally the cheeky unit of electro-priests.

I just want a return to Skitarii being allowed to use 3 of one special weapon in a squad.

**laam999**

I'm playing tonight, my list is;

2 marshals
1 manipulus

20 rangers
20 vanguard
5 vanguard
5 breachers

2 bombers

2x2 lastriders
3 dragoons

2x5 sword infiltrators.

I expect to get thoroughly beaten but it should be a nice, varied list and a fun game.

I played last week at 1k playing someone i their second game and I nearly go tabled lol.

I've really struggled with playing the 9th codex and 9th game style of secondaries.

**Olthannon**

So as per the new update:

It’s a simple change for the disciples of the Machine God – all changes to the Adeptus Mechanicus from previous Balance Dataslates have been removed.

As they are still struggling to reach their optimised position in the wider metagame, we have removed all existing restrictions and modifications from the Adeptus Mechanicus army. There was a point in the not-too-distant past where the armies of the Omnissiah were overperforming, and a number of restrictions were applied in earlier Balance Dataslates to rein them in. These have proven too impactful in the current environment, so we will see how they perform using the rules from their codex and the latest points values in the Munitorum Field Manual.

**Mariongodspeed**

Thats a very generous sounding way to say Lucius gets their +1 save vs damage 1 weapons while in cover back and enriched rounds goes back to wounding non-vehicles on a 4+ to hit instead of a 5+.

Thats 2 nieche nerfrs removed. Its not going to signficanlty change our win rate. It looks like atleast another 3 months of my admech collecing dust on the shelf and now hoping for MFM points changes to make us no longer trash-tier. Yay. Thanks GW!

**Vineheart01**

FAQ still stands, but there wasnt much in there other than clarifications.
I think the only actual "nerf" thats still a nerf and not rescinded is we cant use Booster Thrust on units that just arrived, which is a cheesestrat anyway.

It is rather nice they did it that way as i can almost just use the codex again instead of constantly referencing the datasheet to see if that change i know happened is still a change or not.

**Thairne**

make those 3 months into 6 months.
Why?
January marks the death of the Skitarii Veteran Cohort.
And the next dataslate will be out shortly after, so the resulting net power loss for the army, which is almost exclusively run as a SVC, will not reflect that.
Oh boi, fun times for Admech most definitely are coming.

**Kanluwen**

Frankly, they need to just put AdMech back into the forge.

Skitarii Veteran Cohort's rules need to be placed onto the Skitarii, period.
Limit Rangers to unit size of 10 tops while Vanguard keep the 20 unit size.
Remove Calivers from Rangers and Arquebi from Vanguard, give Arquebi the whole "line" nonsense we saw with the magnarail in LoV and see where things go from there.

**EviscerationPlague**

Kanluwen wrote:
Frankly, they need to just put AdMech back into the forge.

Skitarii Veteran Cohort's rules need to be placed onto the Skitarii, period.
Limit Rangers to unit size of 10 tops while Vanguard keep the 20 unit size.
Remove Calivers from Rangers and Arquebi from Vanguard, give Arquebi the whole "line" nonsense we saw with the magnarail in LoV and see where things go from there.

Why does it matter if Rangers have Plasma and Vanguard have Arqs?

**ph34r**

EviscerationPlague wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Frankly, they need to just put AdMech back into the forge.

Skitarii Veteran Cohort's rules need to be placed onto the Skitarii, period.
Limit Rangers to unit size of 10 tops while Vanguard keep the 20 unit size.
Remove Calivers from Rangers and Arquebi from Vanguard, give Arquebi the whole "line" nonsense we saw with the magnarail in LoV and see where things go from there.

Why does it matter if Rangers have Plasma and Vanguard have Arqs?

Im going to randomly guess that in the first Skitarii book that is how they set it up, but maybe not? I don’t know why Mechanicus would need more restrictions.

**Incognito15**

I have a 1000 pt tournament coming up in a month and the only army i have is admech.

What would be the basis of your list?

Also do i need any supplements besides the codex? I havent played since before our newest codex.

**em_en_oh_pee**

With rumors swirling about point reductions and a Core added to Kataphrons, anyone excited that our faction might make a slight comeback. Nowhere to go but up when you're at the bottom, right?!

**Rogerio134134**

I'm a new admech player and haven't actually used the army yet but I'm looking forward to trying to get some play out of the codex! Want to try and get my first 1k game in January once I've finished painting.

**ph34r**

Incognito15 wrote:
I have a 1000 pt tournament coming up in a month and the only army i have is admech.

What would be the basis of your list?

Also do i need any supplements besides the codex? I havent played since before our newest codex.

As far as I know, good units are:

troops, well they're mandatory
ironstrider ballistarii: strong but really expensive in dollar amounts
everything else: ?? not very good

**laam999**

The bombers are very good, even after a price increase. With the chaff launcher they're 170 pts, deal mortal wounds, -1 to hit and -1 damage and can double turn and hover making them VERY mobile. They can also slow something down.

I struggle to not take them in a list and they're a great distraction to help keep your guns safe, I'd definitely take one at 1000 pts.