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So I see nothing against this tactic, but I wanted to run it past the forum before trying it in games:

Can you take a twin-linked weapon, and another weapon of the same type on a single crisis suit? In the old codex this was explicity forbidden to do, but the new book harbors no such restrictions.

I want to take a twin linked flamer/flamer suit team for some cheap burning deep strike shenanigans vs horde armies.

input appreciated.

You are an evil evil man if you take that suit, but according to everyone so far it is fine for now, but people think good old GW is gonna spoil the fun and FAQ it (I pray not as my bro plays green tide and I would love to see the look on his face with that suit unit).

What about taking just a flamer and a flamer? it doesn't specifically say anything about buying 2 equal twin-link, only that the second cost is if you buy it twin linked right?

That's true but I want a twin linked one as part of the setup.

Edit: blarg reading comprehension failing me.

Just wana see does anyone else agree that suits can take 2x the same weapon?

I believe you can take 2 of the same weapon.

The rules as worded don't seem to mandate that whenever you take 2 of the same weapon, you must use the second points cost and count them as twin linked.

In the previous codex, this restriction was not covered by the rules regarding twin-linking, but by the statement explaining the armoury which said:

"No model can pick the same item twice"

Since that restriction is not listed in the new armoury, I see no reason you can't select the same item twice.

 Drunkspleen wrote:
I believe you can take 2 of the same weapon.

The rules as worded don't seem to mandate that whenever you take 2 of the same weapon, you must use the second points cost and count them as twin linked.

This is correct. RAW you can. Whether or not GW changes it when they release a proper FAQ remains to be seen.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Drunkspleen wrote:
I believe you can take 2 of the same weapon.

The rules as worded don't seem to mandate that whenever you take 2 of the same weapon, you must use the second points cost and count them as twin linked.

This is correct. RAW you can. Whether or not GW changes it when they release a proper FAQ remains to be seen.

Translation: Use magnets.

 Drunkspleen wrote:
"No model can pick the same item twice"

Since that restriction is not listed in the new armoury, I see no reason you can't select the same item twice.

I would consider that rule to be redundant; you are not normally allowed to pick the same option multiple times, you need explicit permission to be able to do that, rather than a specific restriction to prevent it.

Pyrian wrote:
I would consider that rule to be redundant; you are not normally allowed to pick the same option multiple times, you need explicit permission to be able to do that, rather than a specific restriction to prevent it.

So which other instances of the battlesuit weapon list have that rule? Because it doesn't matter if some other codex says you can't pick an option twice, just like it doesn't matter if some codices have ATSKNF as an army-wide rule. Tau don't have either.

Pyrian wrote:
I would consider that rule to be redundant; you are not normally allowed to pick the same option multiple times, you need explicit permission to be able to do that, rather than a specific restriction to prevent it.

Citation Required

Seriously can you back this claim up at all? It would prevent tau units with access to drones from picking multiples of the same drone type, and render pairs of lightning claws almost impossible to take for other codices.

Given that, I think unless you support your claim with actual rules, I won't be playing that way.

edit: To clarify, you have permission to pick multiple times from the same list, which means you can pick from it without limitation, including the same thing multiple times, a specific restriction against picking the same thing multiple times is needed to prevent it.

The way I see it, you can take a twin-linked and vanilla version of the same gun on the same model, sure, no problems. It'll get pretty expensive to do so though.
There's nothing stopping you from taking all 3 vanilla on the same model either, but this would be stupid as you have no means of firing all 3 at once.

Given those two points, I don't see anything wrong with how it's worded right now.

As far as I can see, it says "...the second is for two weapons (counting as a twin-linked weapon of that type)."

So I see it as fine for a suit to have a TL and standard Burst cannon for example, and a commander with his 4 hardpoints to have two TL BC's.

Seems ripe for an FAQ, but also seems to me it would have been done just as quickly as that overly spammable missile pod change

 Drunkspleen wrote:

Pyrian wrote:
I would consider that rule to be redundant; you are not normally allowed to pick the same option multiple times, you need explicit permission to be able to do that, rather than a specific restriction to prevent it.

Citation Required

Seriously can you back this claim up at all? It would prevent tau units with access to drones from picking multiples of the same drone type, and render pairs of lightning claws almost impossible to take for other codices.

Given that, I think unless you support your claim with actual rules, I won't be playing that way.

edit: To clarify, you have permission to pick multiple times from the same list, which means you can pick from it without limitation, including the same thing multiple times, a specific restriction against picking the same thing multiple times is needed to prevent it.

What Pyrian is asking for is there. There IS an explicit permission to pick the same option multiple times. The only thing making Tau players unsure is that there USED to be an explicit restriction to prevent it.

Deathrain + pathfinder just got ugly. No missile drones but you can still get your missile spam

Or you have a need for dead specials 2 Plasma rifles + ATS= The new Burning Eye Special.

I think suit names are going to get a major overhaul.

I don't think there is a restriction on this except the limits on how much you can buy. Iirc standard crisis suits can take up yo 3 items there so a twin linked framer, and a flamer is 3 items.

That's how I read it as well. This new book allows for ultra specialized suits.

I see no problem with picking the same weapon 3 times. RAW, there's no conflict at all.

My issue comes up with using 2 of the same, non-twin-linked weapons (2 standard plasma rifles or 2 standard missile pods, etc). As much as I would love it, I really don't see how it can be justified.
The line: "...the second is for two weapons (counting as a twin-linked weapon of that type)." seems clear to me. If you purchase two of the same weapon, it counts as a twin-linked weapon of that type.

Best bet for now - don't permanently assemble suits with 2 of the same weapon, and ask permission before using it in a list. I'm a Tau player and I would love for my army to be as powerful as it can...but this is pushing it. Even RAW, there seems to be evidence that you can't do it (let alone RAI).

Unfortunately, there's no definite answer right now and it'll probably be a while before we get one.

Yeah I see valid points on both sides. GW needs to think ahead and make clearer statements or add more statements to support one sided sentences. They must be charged per word printed. paulsongames.com makes a good twin link plasma gun

Btw, it says that twin-linked weapons count as TWO choices for those who missed the note.

Dracoknight wrote:
Btw, it says that twin-linked weapons count as TWO choices for those who missed the note.

That could just be referring to the up to 3 choices written in the suit sections.

anyway magnets all the way

 Purifier wrote:

 Drunkspleen wrote:

Pyrian wrote:
I would consider that rule to be redundant; you are not normally allowed to pick the same option multiple times, you need explicit permission to be able to do that, rather than a specific restriction to prevent it.

Citation Required

Seriously can you back this claim up at all? It would prevent tau units with access to drones from picking multiples of the same drone type, and render pairs of lightning claws almost impossible to take for other codices.

Given that, I think unless you support your claim with actual rules, I won't be playing that way.

edit: To clarify, you have permission to pick multiple times from the same list, which means you can pick from it without limitation, including the same thing multiple times, a specific restriction against picking the same thing multiple times is needed to prevent it.

What Pyrian is asking for is there. There IS an explicit permission to pick the same option multiple times. The only thing making Tau players unsure is that there USED to be an explicit restriction to prevent it.

What used to be does not matter, only what is

Siphen wrote:

My issue comes up with using 2 of the same, non-twin-linked weapons (2 standard plasma rifles or 2 standard missile pods, etc). As much as I would love it, I really don't see how it can be justified.
The line: "...the second is for two weapons (counting as a twin-linked weapon of that type)." seems clear to me. If you purchase two of the same weapon, it counts as a twin-linked weapon of that type.

I agree. I don't think you can have two of the same weapon and not have them twin-linked.

This thread just made my day. The last codex specifically says you can't. This one says nothing of that so I say green light to double plasma gun fun time.

Neroman wrote:
This thread just made my day. The last codex specifically says you can't. This one says nothing of that so I say green light to double plasma gun fun time.

It specifically gives different price for a pair of weapons though. Note that it doesn't say the price is for twin-linked, it says it is for two weapons (which count as twin-linked.)

 Crimson wrote:

Siphen wrote:

My issue comes up with using 2 of the same, non-twin-linked weapons (2 standard plasma rifles or 2 standard missile pods, etc). As much as I would love it, I really don't see how it can be justified.
The line: "...the second is for two weapons (counting as a twin-linked weapon of that type)." seems clear to me. If you purchase two of the same weapon, it counts as a twin-linked weapon of that type.

I agree. I don't think you can have two of the same weapon and not have them twin-linked.

What that statement means is you have two choices for what you can do with two upgrade choices:

Two single weapons at X points.

One twin-linked weapon at Y points which is cheaper than X.

The "counts as two choices" limit doesn't say anything about it being the ONLY way you can do it, it just says that if you take the cheaper twin-linked weapon it takes up two of your upgrade slots even though it's a single item in the table.

 Peregrine wrote:

What that statement means is you have two choices for what you can do with two upgrade choices:

Two single weapons at X points.

One twin-linked weapon at Y points which is cheaper than X.

The "counts as two choices" limit doesn't say anything about it being the ONLY way you can do it, it just says that if you take the cheaper twin-linked weapon it takes up two of your upgrade slots even though it's a single item in the table.

No. There is no permission to buy two of the same weapon separately. If you buy two, you have to use the method specifically described.

 Crimson wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

What that statement means is you have two choices for what you can do with two upgrade choices:

Two single weapons at X points.

One twin-linked weapon at Y points which is cheaper than X.

The "counts as two choices" limit doesn't say anything about it being the ONLY way you can do it, it just says that if you take the cheaper twin-linked weapon it takes up two of your upgrade slots even though it's a single item in the table.

No. There is no permission to buy two of the same weapon separately. If you buy two, you have to use the method specifically described.

Like said earlier, how do you get a pair of lightning claws, or other such arrangements in other codices. The Second option is just a choice to twin link it. It doesn't say you have to twin link it.

Neroman wrote:

Like said earlier, how do you get a pair of lightning claws, or other such arrangements in other codices. The Second option is just a choice to twin link it. It doesn't say you have to twin link it.

The text is quite clear: "...the second is for two weapons." How may weapons were you buying? That's right, two. Then you know what price to use and what rules to apply.

It looks like an Easter Egg, prolly smells like one, but ...

I interpret the structure of things:

XV8 - pays XX points and gets a TL-PR. 2 hard points. Pays another XX points and gets ... another TL-PR. Last two hard points and both TL-PRs can fire because of the inbuilt Multi-Tracker.

Da-yam. I may have to paint up those unused PR bits.

So far, I have equipped a few XV8s with a TL-BC and a TL-MP.

Humph. A 4 shot Deathrain.