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Far as I can tell there is nothing in there that says that if you take 2 of the same weapon they automatically become twin linked.

If this is the case we could be seeing bs4-5 suits with 2 plasma rifles!

Prove me wrong.

Oh and yes I know it is likely a mistake and not the designers intent but that is not what I am asking for, I want proof of some sort that it is illegle by the way the codex is actually written.

What's the quote?

We can't prove you wrong until you post in the premise format!

Well you could look at the codex instead of me braking the rules and posting quotes from the dex?

"A single-mounted weapon counts as single battlesuit weapon system, twin linkedcounts as two. No model may carry 3 of the same weapons system."

"Where a weapon system is given two points values, the first is the price for normal, the second is for two weapons counting as twin-linked."

So what stops me from taking 2 single plasma rifles or missile pods.
What is it exactly that is forcing me to twin-link them?

Old or new codex?

New

+edit - answered my question. Sorry, can't help.

Something tells me the deathwing players are going to throw a fit if they start running into 2*plasma suits.

Deathrain crisis that shoots 4 missiles a turn would not be bad either

Well you could look at the codex instead of me braking the rules and posting quotes from the dex?

Or you could quit being a jerk, read the sticky at the top of the forum, and post your premises and conclusion for taking two single plasma rifles. Not everyone has access to the new codex yet. I'm just trying to help you find an answer, no need to be rude about it.


Based on what you have posted, it looks like its legal. Barring, of course, a rule similar to the Tyranid one which states that when you buy two of the same weapon they become twin-linked.

Yea I have yet to find such a rule in the tau dex, was wondering if perhaps the BGB has some universal special rule or something (though if there is it is not under the special rules section nor is it under the twin linked weapons section)

didn't mean to be rude, some forums don't allow you to post things out of the dex.

No problem.

No universal rule on the subject exists, it is a codex specific thing.

Battlesuit weapons are chosen from the Battesuit Armoury.

From the top of the Armoury page:
"No model can pick the same item twice, and all equipment, other than wargear (which is assumed to be integrated) must be represented on the model."

While the Armoury in pretty much every other codex only specifically forbids doubling up of Wargear, this one appears to be saying that you can't double up on anything at all...

Weapons are given 2 points costs: one for a single weapon, and one for twin-linked. If you can't take the same item twice, then there is simply no way to get two of the same weapon without them being twin-linked.

I am surprised that nobody yet has tried to argue that a single weapon and a twin linked weapon of the same type are not the same item and that you can take both. Every time I saw someone trying to push it they were trying to take 2 single weapons which is clear that you cannot take in the rules.

I've just noticed that the Battlesuit list entry says an XV8 must select three weapon systems or support systems, NOT as in the old codex, it is limited to filling three hardpoints. So literally speaking, a Suit may select as many systems as it likes subject to the other restrictions. Hmmm...

This would allow you to take twin-linked plasma and twin-linked missile pod and some other stuff. If you wanted to spend the points.

Your taking it out of context it says "a model in a battlesuit that has access to the armoury may also choose up to 100pts from the battlesuit wargear list " No model may pick the same item twice, and all equipment, other than wargear must be represented on the model.

Weapons are not under the battlesuit wargear list, they fall under the battlesuit weapons systems list.

So;
1oes the no item may be taken twice sentence take effect to everything in the entire armoury or just the items in the wargear list?

2:Are weapons items? (I would expect not, they are weapons)

3:if the battlesuit does not have access to the armoury does this still apply? (non HQ or Ui)

I think the main quistion is the item one though, how do we find out if weapons are considered items?


Kilkrazy it says tl weapons count as 2 hardpoints so you cannot take 2 tl, that would be 4 hardpoitns with a max of 3.

vsurma is correct. The wording in the armory states that they can have any combination of weapons. So they can infact take 2 weapons and not have them twin linked. Though there is a poinsts decrease if they are twin linked.

Nope. The wording of this:
"No model can pick the same item twice, and all equipment, other than wargear (which is assumed to be integrated) must be represented on the model."

...suggests that it is in fact referring to everything.

It's the difference between:
"Items may not be taken twice, and all items except Wargear must be represented on the model"
and
"Items of Wargear may not be taken twice, and do not need to be represented on the model"

The first is what it is actually saying... Note that, unlike every other codex, 'items' is not a term used to describe Wargear, as in 'a model may choose 'x' points of items of Wargear, but may not select any item twice.'

It merely says that they may choose 'x' amount of Wargear, and then goes on to state that items may not be selected twice, and that those items, aside from Wargear (which is what suggests that 'items' does not refer solely to wargear) must be represented.

I've just noticed that the Battlesuit list entry says an XV8 must select three weapon systems or support systems, NOT as in the old codex, it is limited to filling three hardpoints

Doesn't make any difference. Twin-linked weapons count as two weapons systems... A Crisis Suit is only allowed 3 systems.

The twin link battlesuit weapons systems rule in the battlesuit armory answer all that

-first price one weapon
-second price 2 weapon
-one weapon take one hard point
-if there is 2 weapon they count as twinlink and take 2 hardpoint
-there cannot be 3 of the same weapon

The twin link battlesuit weapons systems rule in the battlesuit armory answer all that

-first price one weapon
-second price 2 weapon
-one weapon take one hard point
-if there is 2 weapon they count as twinlink and take 2 hardpoint
-there cannot be 3 of the same weapon

Here's a related issue I've come across:

pg.25
"A single-mounted weapon counts as a single battlesuit weapon system, and a twin-linked system counts as two".

pg.26
Multitracker
...enables the model to fire two battlesuit weapon systems in the same turn

As I read it, to fire a twin-linked weapon, you must have a multitracker, because twin-linked weapons count as two weapons systems. Therefore, you can't fire a twin-linked weapon and another weapon, even with a multitracker, because that would count as three battlesuit weapon systems.