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 BrookM wrote:
Whenever someone brings up instructions to Poots the standard answer is to go to Vibrant Lantern, but I find the instructions provided there woefully inadequate for some of the kits.

I asked over in the 1.5 KS comments sections that that is exactly the answer I got!

Baffling that this is still considered 'acceptable' this late in the game - bizarre that 'official' instructions don't exist.

It has to be a case of something Adam wanted to get around to, didn't, Vibrant Lantern picked up the slack, and now that's all we're going to get...

It's kind of bizarre that this game has received so much traction with the board gaming crowd. Or at least it has been hyped as a board game by certain outlets.

While it's certainly not a "war game" Kingdom Death has always been a boutique hobbyist collection more than anything.


On that note, got my shipping notice! Should have 1.5 later this week

Kingdom death, like many games, has a few cultish followers who have done some kinda crazy fan sites. Unlike most games, I think KD takes advantage of that noise pretty regularly.

Re: classifying KD, it has a lot of book keeping, and is done on a grid, and a lot of people invested in it have no particular interest in the models themselves. While it certainly started as a boutique line, it really isn't one now: The board game /minis game line has certainly blurred over the last few years, but if you look at how much more things with game content move than things w/o, it's pretty obvious it's more a game than a collection now.

 Alpharius wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Whenever someone brings up instructions to Poots the standard answer is to go to Vibrant Lantern, but I find the instructions provided there woefully inadequate for some of the kits.

I asked over in the 1.5 KS comments sections that that is exactly the answer I got!

Baffling that this is still considered 'acceptable' this late in the game - bizarre that 'official' instructions don't exist.

It has to be a case of something Adam wanted to get around to, didn't, Vibrant Lantern picked up the slack, and now that's all we're going to get...

I know he addressed this last year during the KSer as was basically it takes too much time to make a good assembly guide and there are other things he wants to spend said time on so don't expect official ones since the fan made ones are adequate enough.

What a load of bs, but sure, if that's how he wants to roll with it..

WUWU wrote:
It's kind of bizarre that this game has received so much traction with the board gaming crowd. Or at least it has been hyped as a board game by certain outlets.

My guess is that it's quite a few things at the right time.
* Highly regarded by its initial, hardcore audience.
* Well-known (though not necessarily in a positive way).
* Dedication and integrity of its creator.
* Strong theme and world.
* One of the first games to be reprinted over KS.
* FOMO and snowball effect (including article in Forbes).
* Card combos, civilization-style settlement building, unique Boss mechanics
* KS backers used to paying hundreds of dollars for a game.
* Huge discount compared to web store prices.
* First boardgame with miniature assembly ("they don't know what they're in for"

That's off the top of my head, so feel free to post you reasons why you think the KDM KS did so well.

Oh, and I also got my shipping notice, although it hasn't shipped!

Yeah, they already have render files broken down. You don't need glorious step by step hand holding that would frankly be nice with some model complexity, but a couple diagrams of "this goes here" would at least not end up with some heinously confusing parts. The Gorm kit has a few parts where I still have no idea what they're supposed to be or where they go.

"It's too much effort to deliver what was promised" gets zero sympathy.

ced1106 wrote:

WUWU wrote:
It's kind of bizarre that this game has received so much traction with the board gaming crowd. Or at least it has been hyped as a board game by certain outlets.

My guess is that it's quite a few things at the right time.
* Highly regarded by its initial, hardcore audience.
* Well-known (though not necessarily in a positive way).
* Dedication and integrity of its creator.
* Strong theme and world.
* One of the first games to be reprinted over KS.
* FOMO and snowball effect (including article in Forbes).
* Card combos, civilization-style settlement building, unique Boss mechanics
* KS backers used to paying hundreds of dollars for a game.
* Huge discount compared to web store prices.
* First boardgame with miniature assembly ("they don't know what they're in for"

That's off the top of my head, so feel free to post you reasons why you think the KDM KS did so well.

Oh, and I also got my shipping notice, although it hasn't shipped!

I don't disagree with any of this, and I'm very excited to get my copy. My point though, is that if you think of Monster as a board game first and foremost, you are setting yourself up for disappointment, and a lot of people are going to be disappointed I would wager.

Kingdom Death Monster is a boutique hobbyist collection. If you aren't assembling and painting your models you are missing out on a lot of the value. But for many of the reasons stated above this has drawn in a huge number of "game first" consumers, and things like not having assembly guides are really going to drive people up a wall, but for the people that came in looking for that boutique hobby experience, it's part of the fun

Why would anyone be disappointed with KDM as a board game. "True" boardgamers are playing the thing with standees.

If one is looking for a strongly-themed boss battle campaign game, KDM arguably does that better than anyone.

I'm sorry, but in what ways, other than that boardgamers notoriously don't like to build minis (who have generally been pretty vocally interested in getting started because of this game), do you think that one, thinking of this as a board game, "setting themselves up for disappointment"?

Also, I'm quite experienced at building stuff, and the lack of instructions drives me up the wall, and I think there's nothing fun about staring at a small lump, needing to start a browser, look around at official pictures of the resin models that had different part breakdown, hold the piece up to compare the shape, maybe try some painted examples to see if they're any better, to figure out that a recess is actually a socket and not texture.

Very much that. ↑

I still have the Watcher to go from the main kit and ALL the big boss monsters (and tree) from the expansions due to a lack of good instructions and not wanting to spend a good day faffing about trying to figure out what goes where.

Also, lot's of love for those accessory sprues with the unnumbered parts, just aaaaaaace darling, ace!

My core set and 1.5 upgrade pack have both shipped.

Hopefully they'll be here quick unlike other stuff which has taken as much as a week from start to finish.

So have we heard any info about the Final Lantern Research and Monster Volumes from the new settlement sheet?

Are people getting e-mail notifications of shipment from KD/Backerkit, or from USPS/UPS/FEDEX etc. or...something else?

I got mine from Kingdom Death directly.

Final Lantern is some sort of postgame bonus die that it sounds like passes with monster controller and you can spend it on buffs, based on what level you've unlocked. IDK about volume.

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KD is giving out shipping notices with tracking numbers. Mine were FedEx tracking numbers. Not sure about people getting USPS or UPS.

Wow. Main box is 21.3 pounds. Dang.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
"setting themselves up for disappointment"?

Disappointment may be too strong a word.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Also, I'm quite experienced at building stuff, and the lack of instructions drives me up the wall, and I think there's nothing fun about staring at a small lump, needing to start a browser, look around at official pictures of the resin models that had different part breakdown, hold the piece up to compare the shape, maybe try some painted examples to see if they're any better, to figure out that a recess is actually a socket and not texture.

Lack of instructions... nothing fun... those words might be more appropriate.

Shipping notice! Scheduled delivery on Thursday!

Mine just showed up at my doorstep! (USPS, notice directly from KD)

Got a shipping notice for Wehrkind's set

This is great news!

Any update on what's for dinner?!?

Scheduled delivery? Tomorrow!
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ETA - confirmed Thu 10/12 & paid Fri 10/13.
Backer #3,40x.

ced1106 wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
"setting themselves up for disappointment"?

Disappointment may be too strong a word.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Also, I'm quite experienced at building stuff, and the lack of instructions drives me up the wall, and I think there's nothing fun about staring at a small lump, needing to start a browser, look around at official pictures of the resin models that had different part breakdown, hold the piece up to compare the shape, maybe try some painted examples to see if they're any better, to figure out that a recess is actually a socket and not texture.

Lack of instructions... nothing fun... those words might be more appropriate.

Glad I'm not the only one who thought he answered his own question

 Alpharius wrote:
This is great news!

Any update on what's for dinner?!?

Chicken chili

I'm seriously impressed with how fast they're turning around the fulfillment in this wave... makes me hopeful the others aren't too far behind!

More info is necessary for all of these 'got my shipping notice!' and 'got my package today!' "announcements".

Without date paid shipping, backer number and location, it is all so much hot air!!!

Okay guys you heard the man, PM Alph with pics of your packing slips as they arrive

It's disappointing to hear that Poots has totally given up on providing assembly instructions, some of the upcoming monsters are looking a lot more complex then the current ones.

The fan guides aren't really that useful, the one time I got stuck enough to turn to Vibrant Lantern (building the Green Knight Armors), they had left out the piece I was having trouble with because they didn't know where it went either!

http://build.kingdomdeath.com/

It's a start