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Hello everyone. I am currently rebuilding my Navy Themed High Elf army when an idea occured to me. You see eventually I want to field at least x2 armies for both 40k and Fantasy to mix things up and add some variety into my lists. For 40k I have settled on IG and Tau and for Fantasy I have settled on High Elves and also Wood Elves. Both Elven armies are the only ones I have played with in this edition of Fantasy, High Elves because I love their fluff and how their army looks and performs, while the skirmishing unique fighting style of the Wood Elves appeals to me as well as well as the underdog mentality.

-To represent my "Alith Anar" or "Shadow Lord" I will be running the infamous Wood Elf Highborn that can shoot 5 times and ignore armor saves thanks to a magical bow and arrows, feel this is very fitting for him and adds some needed punch to my list.

-Easy conversion for my "Spellweaver", just a generic High Elf Mage with maybe some Shadow Warrior influence (helm for example)

-Now this is IMO the coolest conversion and the one that may be the hardest for other opponents to accept. Since the mountain ranges of Ulthuan are known to hold a number of magical and dangerous creatures I plan on using a High Elf Lord mounted on one of the 40k Space Wolf Thunderwolf Cavalry models for my Treeman Ancient and standard Treemen. If you have read the book "Shadow King" Alith Anar developed a special kinship with the wolves that dwelled within it so I feel that it fits the theme, and second adds a cool and unique model to my army. Idea is to utilize the new Loremaster arm holding the magical sphere or even just the upper Torso and mount it on a mounted Elfs legs. This is to represent the ability to use "Tree Singing" and "Strangle Root" attacks.

-My plan is to create an army themed after the northern lands of Nagarythe by utilizing High Elf Models while running them with Wood Elf rules to better fit the playstyle and fluff of how Shadow Warriors fight. Also this idea is so I can save some money in the long run and not have to fork up alot of cash to purchase a second entire Warhammer army. The following is what I am planning in regards to rules and models:

-A combo kit bash of Glade Guard and High Elf models to build my Glade Guard or aka "shadow warriors". The idea is basically Glade Guard upper bodies with the cloaks and hoods while the torso is a High Elf chainmail/armored one, still deciding which legs would be best for the conversion.

-Another conversion that may draw flak but if it works will fit the theme of my army very well. To represent my "Dryads" I will be using the LOTR miniture range "Fell Wargs" from the new hobbit game as they can fit on the base of a Dryad pretty well, also fits with the theme of wolves in my army and will look pretty cool.

-Ellyrian Reavers as Glade Riders, love the look of the Ellyrian models and they would fit well as outriders for my Nagarythe themed list.

-For my Eternal Guard I have a few ideas but to be honest if those models ever come out in plastic or finecast I will just run them as they are.

-For my Wardancers I have a few ideas but for now this is the one I am leaning towards. Using the new Shadow Warrior kit and giving them two swords each to represent the wardancer weapons.

-Again in regards to my theme, using the Space Wolf Fenrisian Wolves and running them as Treekin. A cool and good sized conversion as they fit on the bases very well, also by tossing in some rocks to give them added hight to anyone that wants to complain.

-Waywatchers will be the Shadow Warriors from the new box set usin the Sister of Averlorn arms to make them look unique. Best part is I was already thinking of this conversion to use for my actual Sisters of Averlorn for my High Elf Navy Army.

Other then that things are pretty basic in regards to models but overall I am really liking the idea of this army. I am posting primarily to see what you guys think of my ideas for my conversions as well as any other comments, tips or ideas pertaining to it. Thanks again for reading guys and for your replies!

Frankly, I got only one thing to say about this:

Post pictures.

The only thing I'm remotely leery of is the wargs as dryads, but that's only a matter of the models being a little ugly to me. Otherwise, this sounds pretty rockin.

My only issue with this is that the fell wargs are basically the same models as the Fenrysian wolves. I don't think the wargs will fit on the dryad bases as well as you think (though I could be wrong), and if they do, that would be about the only distinction between the dryads and treekin; base size.

I've never heard of anything regarding the "Mountain Rangers of Ulthuan" holding creatures.

The mountains are considered a place where the High Elves do not go. They are full of unnatural creatures, not things which could be tamed.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I've never heard of anything regarding the "Mountain Rangers of Ulthuan" holding creatures.

The mountains are considered a place where the High Elves do not go. They are full of unnatural creatures, not things which could be tamed.

Thanks the spelling error has been corrected, and yet White Lions, Griffons, Eagles ect. are all found there, yup not tameable...

 gmaleron wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I've never heard of anything regarding the "Mountain Rangers of Ulthuan" holding creatures.

The mountains are considered a place where the High Elves do not go. They are full of unnatural creatures, not things which could be tamed.

Thanks the spelling error has been corrected, and yet White Lions, Griffons, Eagles ect. are all found there, yup not tameable...

White Lions are exclusively found in the province of Chrace, hence the "White Lions" hailing from Chrace.
The Great Eagles are found all around Ulthuan...except the mountain ranges.
Griffons are, seemingly raised in aeries in the major Elven cities.

I wasn't trying to pick on you in regards to the spelling. I thought you'd found something off a fan site or the like, as there does tend to be a few "Wiki" sites for Warhammer/40k which utilize fan material and do not properly cite it as such.

This is all very weird.
Because you like Forests, you chose a mountain region?
Because you like wood creatures, you chose wolves from 2 other games?
Wood Elf cavalry is made of High Elf cavalry?
High Elf infantry is made of Wood Elf infantry?
Wood Elf treesinger is made of a High Elf mage?

Your opponent will not get though this mess without a detailed list of what is meant to be what. Not sure if any opponent is happy with this during a game.

BTW Wolves come from Avelorn and stay there if not part of an Avelorn force. Avelorn strike forces are known to sometimes include Dryads and Treemen. The Chaotic monsters (manticores,griffons) come from Northern and Easten mountain ranges, not Nagarythe, So either go Avelorn with a less messy and confusing mix. Or do Nagarythe without Avelorn forces (Nagarythe will never lead a High Elf army). And cyber-wolves will always look odd and have nothing in common with treemen.

Also, the Wood Elf army book is currently almost unplayable, just to let you know.

 Kroothawk wrote:
This is all very weird.
Because you like Forests, you chose a mountain region?
Because you like wood creatures, you chose wolves from 2 other games?
Wood Elf cavalry is made of High Elf cavalry?
High Elf infantry is made of Wood Elf infantry?
Wood Elf treesinger is made of a High Elf mage?

-Think you are over analyzing this. I am going from the context that the mountains and lands if that makes you feel better, of Ulthaun are home to a variety of creatures, who says that Nagarythe does no have their own creatures? Also the mountain regions of Ulthuan and their magical creatures beisdes a few special cases are not confined to certain territories of the Island. Its almost saying like you cannot have a dragon in your army because they are found in Caledor.

-It is a conversion to create a unique army that fits a specific theme. The bottom line is that I am using GW models on the correct base sizes, so where is the issue?

-To say its "made of" certain other units is technical in the extreme I feel. I have seen multiple conversions done with other armies for specific units and such and to be honest first I have heard it put this way. I like the models of the High Elf range and feel that with some conversions it would look good as an army based of the skirmishing style of Nagarythe Shadow Warriors.

Or do Nagarythe without Avelorn forces (Nagarythe will never lead a High Elf army). And cyber-wolves will always look odd and have nothing in common with treemen.

Also, the Wood Elf army book is currently almost unplayable, just to let you know.

-Who says Nagarythe does not or would not have their own standing armies? Like Tor Yvresse though their population is severley depleted it would not make sense for a territory or country on Ulthuan to not have a standing army, am basing this off the book "Shadow King".

-They are not cyber wolves, but just giant wolves one of the creatures that could easily be said to populate Ulthuan. I would be making the conversion or even I could use the models without any cybernetic pieces.

-And yes the Wood Elf army has alot of things wrong with it but to say it is almost unplayable is completely inaccurate. I have had alot of success with the Wood Elf book agains some very tough and solid competition (our store is one of the most compeitive out West here in the US). Not saying tat it does not have its major faults but you can still do well and create and effective list.

White Lions are exclusively found in the province of Chrace, hence the "White Lions" hailing from Chrace.
The Great Eagles are found all around Ulthuan...except the mountain ranges.
Griffons are, seemingly raised in aeries in the major Elven cities.

I wasn't trying to pick on you in regards to the spelling. I thought you'd found something off a fan site or the like, as there does tend to be a few "Wiki" sites for Warhammer/40k which utilize fan material and do not properly cite it as such.

And not at all man, I was actually serious when saying thank you for pointing out the spelling error

First of all, it is of course your army and you don't have to follow official fluff, esp. when your gaming group is not interested in fluff. But you asked for feedback for an "Army of Naggarythe". This is what I do with all the knowledge I have about it, and I have read a lot. And personally, I love the official background. If invented background fits more or less official background, it is fine, otherwise I personally don't like or use it. make of it what you will.

 gmaleron wrote:
Also the mountain regions of Ulthuan and their magical creatures beisdes a few special cases are not confined to certain territories of the Island. Its almost saying like you cannot have a dragon in your army because they are found in Caledor.

1.) Of course only the Northern and Northeastern mountains feature the more Chaotic life forms like Manticores, as they are close to the Chaos wastes and the Vortex. This is the reason for their existence, not the fresh mountain air. Nagarythe doesn't feature these Chaotic life forms.
2.) High Elf Dragons all come from Caledor. So Dragons are okay for High Elf armies including units from Caledor. A pure Naggarythe army can't include dragons, because there are no Dragons in Naggarythe and no inhabitant has the knowledge to ride them. Also Dragons don't fit the stealth army of Naggarythe. Shadoe warriors stick to themselves and don't accept the Phoenix King. They mistrust the other High Elves. So they won't lead a force of the Phoenix King.

 gmaleron wrote:
It is a conversion to create a unique army that fits a specific theme. The bottom line is that I am using GW models on the correct base sizes, so where is the issue?

-To say its "made of" certain other units is technical in the extreme I feel. I have seen multiple conversions done with other armies for specific units and such and to be honest first I have heard it put this way. I like the models of the High Elf range and feel that with some conversions it would look good as an army based of the skirmishing style of Nagarythe Shadow Warriors.

1.) Nothing wrong with using High Elf models in a High Elf army But using High Elf models counting as Wood Elf units counting as High Elf units is confusing.
2.) One of your conversion ideas is using monstrous cavalry as a treeman. Both have different bases and different rules. If you see a rider, you don't think of a treeman.

 gmaleron wrote:
Who says Nagarythe does not or would not have their own standing armies? Like Tor Yvresse though their population is severley depleted it would not make sense for a territory or country on Ulthuan to not have a standing army, am basing this off the book "Shadow King".

Naggarythe has its own army, consisting not only of Shadow Warriors. Most of Naggarythe is flooded though and most warriors are now Dark Elves. Still doesn't imply that there are Dragons, White Lions or Treemen there. Even the wolves in the novel were creatures of Avelorn, staying in Avelorn. Great Eagles are found all over Ulthuan though.

 gmaleron wrote:
They are not cyber wolves, but just giant wolves one of the creatures that could easily be said to populate Ulthuan. I would be making the conversion or even I could use the models without any cybernetic pieces.

Bionic eye and cyber leg say cyber wolf to me

I think that those are options in the kit, so he could just not use them. The models look pretty cool, so I'd personally have no problems with them as (say) treekin.

But I agree that you need to do like-for-like; a model with a rider shouldn't be a treeman, as that is personally just a really wide mental stretch. What about one of the other HE monsters, or perhaps a variation upon them? A huge frosty thing based on the Phoenix, say.

and again people bashing others people's creativity. I've been working on a nagaythe army for some time, granted using the high elf rules but most my models come from the wood elf range.
Great eagles are said to nest in the mountains, griffons come from the annulli just like manticores, they are creatures of chaos after all.
and of course white lions will turn back at the border of chrace and never wander into nagarythe cotique or avelorn. that make sense.

He asked for feedback by people familiar with the background and he got it. This is not GW, here people get honest and often informed answers instead of just "yes, master, fantastic idea master, not the whip, master".

Though I am familiar with the backround as well I figured I would ask and see what other players of Fantasy would think and as I thought I got a decent mixed bag of results. Though I do not agree with all that was said in response I posted it for that very reason, in case a fellow opponent came up with a similar complaint. However that being said, from talking to the other fantasy players at my FLGS:
They are all cool with the idea of using Fenrisian Wolves for my Treekin and are all very excited about my "Treeman Ancient" as an Elf mounted on a thunderwolf as for the most part I am making the effort for the model to fit the abilities found on the Treeman. When running the army out of other books I will be adding a few different conversion tweaks to make it so my army could be run out of any of the elf books, for example:

Dark Elf xbows with HW and Shield: Will use my Shadow Warrior models, however the front rank will be shadow warriors with swords and shields to make it look like they are protecting the archers behind them and to give them somewhat of a wysiwyg look.

1.) Nothing wrong with using High Elf models in a High Elf army But using High Elf models counting as Wood Elf units counting as High Elf units is confusing.
2.) One of your conversion ideas is using monstrous cavalry as a treeman. Both have different bases and different rules. If you see a rider, you don't think of a treeman.
3.Bionic eye and cyber leg say cyber wolf to me.

1.How could I use High Elf Models and count them as both Wood Elves and High Elves at the same time during a game? The way I am going about it I feel wont be confusing at all as I can only play with one army at a time and when doing so they will fit the part well enough to avoid confusion. For example, shadow warriors with the Sisters of Averlorn Bows will count as Waywatchers with Wood Elves and Sisters of Averlorn with the High Elves. In both cases the "magic bows" can easily explain the special rules that each unit has and dont look out of place.

2. How hard is it to put it on the correct sized base? I do agree that yes it wont look like a treeman, but the way I am looking at doing it could explain the rules the treeman has. For example the Loremaster upper body, the magic orb could easily represent the Treemans strangle root and treesinging ability and the Thunderwolf the Treemans CC ability.

3. Why would I leave the cyber parts on when I could utilize the other wolves and greenstuff over the metal part if I had to?

Do realize I am not trying to force you into accepting my Idea, I am just curious as to why you are thinking the way you are in regards to it, nothing malicious about it . Other then that the rest of my army will be very close to if not exactly like the similar models found in the other elf books and I plan on posting pictures of this project in the future as well.

This sounds like a great idea, and kudos on the thunderwolf idea. I have been dying to think of a way to incorporate them into my HE / VC... never read Shadow King, but i have always loved Alith Anar's fluff, so this is a really cool idea.

Also, the bionic eye is really easily dealt with even by a novice with greenstuff. The leg might be a little harder, but still not that hard to deal with (could hit up the swapshop here or bartertown to try to swap a different body / leg set up with someone, that's an easy fix right there).

-- Haight