Black Library News & Rumour thread. LE Art of the HH book. p.129.

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**reds8n**

Weekender info :

https://www.blacklibrary.com/Downloads/Product/PDF/BL_Weekender_Timetable.pdf

see Saturday John French seminar, and a few other comments here and there.

From the authors apparently already working on siege books seems it is in no way a trilogy -- guess they might divide it up into chunks or whathaveyou so it could end up being a trilogy for the final arc but that's entirely speculation.

**Danny76**

So depressing.

They went on about it moving forward to the end, even cutting out some none essential books, to get to that trilogy.
And that they could always come back to stories set in HH.

But now it’s just one series moving to another..
Not sure there.
I love reading about HH though, but it’s just a bit disheartening..

**reds8n**

...one wonders if the chance to go back and do more HH era stories might well be -- one of -- the reasons to do it this way.

If the siege is a separate series then they can -- comic book style ! -- launch with a bang with a new and shiny #1 ! first -- collectors item issue !!!111 -- and maybe even say it will indeed only be XX books long.

and that way if author A/B/C wants to write an HH era story at a later date they they can dip into the HH series again.

-- we've all been wondering if this will also see the end to the MMPB/legacy format books too but that is entirely speculation currently.

**Danny76**

I suppose in a way yeah this is a good way to do it. Just would have been better if they had done it from the start.

An opening series. A closing series.
Then just a HH set series.
Oh and a primarch series.

**BrianDavion**

I suspect the siege of terra is gonna be more then a trilogy, if it's a "mere" 12 books I'll be shocked.

**reds8n**

We know that Mr French is doing at least one book for it -- see Weekender stuff -- and IIRC I've seen comments from ...hmmm at least 4 maybe 5 authors who have hinted/all but confirmed they'll be writing for it -- and that does not include one or two authors who I think will be writing for it.

so I think the idea of the siege being 3 books is well and truly dead and buried -- and TBH -- cost/format/time issues aside -- I'm alright with that.

**Yodhrin**

reds8n wrote:
We know that Mr French is doing at least one book for it -- see Weekender stuff -- and IIRC I've seen comments from ...hmmm at least 4 maybe 5 authors who have hinted/all but confirmed they'll be writing for it -- and that does not include one or two authors who I think will be writing for it.

so I think the idea of the siege being 3 books is well and truly dead and buried -- and TBH -- cost/format/time issues aside -- I'm alright with that.

I'm less alright with it, I was hoping we'd see five at most(outer system battles, Mars 2.0, trilogy on Terra for the big finish), but I can live with something more extensive if it's a fixed number kind of extensive and they tell us up-front how long it will be. If they pull this same "OoooooOOOOooohhhh, maybe it'll be five books, maybe twenty, who knows? Tune in next week to fine out!@!!!" garbo-trash "teasing" I'll just be checking out completely.

Also they really need to do something interesting with all these extra pages if they intend to drag it out, not just a dozen+ books from the slightly different perspectives of a dozen+ Marines. Actually detail all the interesting stuff about Sol that was hinted at in the new FW books.

**BrookM**

Quite chuffed that this one is happening in paperback so soon:

The first novel was quite okay. Well, okay enough for me to go after the sequel anyway.

**Knockagh**

Yes everyone was anticipating a final trilogy to cover the siege but that looks like it’s been ruled out. We know there is an opening trilogy written. I’m guessing a minimum of 10 to 12, but people are suggesting more.

**BobtheInquisitor**

The Siege of Terra is not an event; it's a journey. Also a metaphor, in that the Siege of Terra is a battle we all must fight, in here (points at heart).

**Grimskul**

BobtheInquisitor wrote:
The Siege of Terra is not an event; it's a journey. Also a metaphor, in that the Siege of Terra is a battle we all must fight, in here (points at heart).

*wipes away tear* I crie ever tim.

**Looky Likey**

Knockagh wrote:
Track of words always has some good things to say when it comes to BL.
I’m a big Limited Edition fan and I pretty much buy them all. But like others have said I’m really annoyed they don’t complete series’s in limited editions. I sent them an email commenting on this after the second Horusian Wars came out and got a really rubbish wishywashy here’s their explanation
“We have a limited number of Special Edition books that we release each year across all our ranges. the decision on which books get a Special edition is something that is decided each year. What this means is that specific books are chosen to get a special edition print, but not all books in a series with get them.”
A good corporate reply that means nothing. Is it putting me off buying them? Absolutely, I haven’t stopped yet but I’m getting pretty fed up with something I really like. I was also pretty annoyed the new Cain book didn’t get a special edition. It’s by a much loved long running author in an established series and yet Blood of Iax gets the works even though it’s by a new and relatively untested author. Seems a waste. Blood of Iax is one i won’t be buying. Blue just doesn’t fit the old world aesthetic of the others books.
The new seige series is starting soon and you can bet they will be getting a glorious special edition. But it will be starting on top of the primarchs, which I’ve been buying the specials eds of. So can I justify running another long running series at £40 a time. No.
Personally I see two avenues to move this dying horse.
One dramatically cut down on the number of special eds or my preferred option, drop the price to £30 and I bet they would sell. But since GW have zero tolerance for price drops, it’s just not in their DNA I can’t see this happening.

The fact that the second book wasn't a limited edition really

me off. If there is a series of books that I'm after I want it all in the exact same edition. If anything that is going to put me off buying the limited editions its rubbish like that. Currently I only buy the Primarch books, I've bought way more limited editions in the past but BL wasting them on second tier books or not carrying on a series in them has put me off time and again.

BL have stated multiple times at multiple seminars that the Siege of Terra is entirely mapped out with authors assigned for every book already so I would be extremely surprised if it was more than 12 books. All the planning work has been done, its just tidying up plot lines between books as the writing is finished, hence all the meetings the authors working on the books have had.

I would be highly surprised if we didn't see a limited edition for each of the SoT books, then a delayed hard back and ebook, then after further delay the large format paperback, copying the Primarch series. I still think they will go for a book a month over 12 months...

**BrookM**

Kinda hoping for a Beast treatment of the Siege myself. A hardback every other month, released at a steady pace.

**BrianDavion**

BrookM wrote:
Kinda hoping for a Beast treatment of the Siege myself. A hardback every other month, released at a steady pace.

I am to a degree it'd be awesome, but on the other hand it could lead to rushed books which wouldn't be awesome.

**Looky Likey**

BrianDavion wrote:
BrookM wrote:
Kinda hoping for a Beast treatment of the Siege myself. A hardback every other month, released at a steady pace.

I am to a degree it'd be awesome, but on the other hand it could lead to rushed books which wouldn't be awesome.

The books have been in development for more than 12 months now. They had the first couple of meetings with Alan Bligh present, thats how long ago it started. Much like Beast Arises, which was in development for a long period before release.

**BrookM**

Really? Again?

https://www.blacklibrary.com/coming-soon/december/the-horus-heresy-visions-of-heresy-ebook.html

Why?

**Danny76**

New covers, new art, new customers

**BrookM**

This is the fourth or fifth print by now.. I'm still quite happy with my first print from a decade or so ago and wanted to get a more up to date one, but I'm glad I din't now..!

**Looky Likey**

Doesn't say what size the reprint will be, may be its a cheaper, smaller size?

**BrianDavion**

Looky Likey wrote:
Doesn't say what size the reprint will be, may be its a cheaper, smaller size?

LOL you're a funny man

**tneva82**

BrookM wrote:
Really? Again?

https://www.blacklibrary.com/coming-soon/december/the-horus-heresy-visions-of-heresy-ebook.html

Why?

Were previous visions ebook? Or maybe content is bit different(new pictures or something)

**BrookM**

Couple more audio dramas incoming: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/09/12/new-audio-adventures-for-your-commute/

**Danny76**

tneva82 wrote:
BrookM wrote:
Really? Again?

https://www.blacklibrary.com/coming-soon/december/the-horus-heresy-visions-of-heresy-ebook.html

Why?

Were previous visions ebook? Or maybe content is bit different(new pictures or something)

As I said, like each other version it will be some new pictures, bit of update to the background/ content bits.

If you haven’t bought the last version or two, definitely worth thinking about.
If you have, probably skippable for that one or two new bits of art.

But just think, the version After this one will have a new artwork of Horus vs Emperor from a book cover, so that’ll be something

**Mr Morden**

Just picked up, read and really enjoyed the Servants of the Machine God which has the following stories

Spoiler:

**BrookM**

Still need to pick it up some time, but I've read most stories already over time as either quick reads or as part of other anthologies.

**Yodhrin**

Are the "new pictures" in the new Visions books still just the wide-format versions of the book covers, or is there some other new stuff as well? Subjectively, I'm not a fan of the book cover style so if that's all that's in there they're no use to me.

**reds8n**

..updated text by Mr Haley IIRC .

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/09/19/the-siege-of-terra-secrets-revealedgw-homepage-post-2/

At Warhammer Fest Europe last month, we announced something incredibly exciting for all fans of the Horus Heresy – the final book in the series, The Buried Dagger, which also marks the beginning of the Siege of Terra. Since then, we’ve been inundated with questions about what this means for the Horus Heresy, and what shape the Siege of Terra will take.

The Horus Heresy, which launched in 2006, now has more than fifty books in the series, including novels, novellas and short stories – not to mention a massive range of audio dramas. A host of talented authors have explored every corner of the Age of Darkness, giving each of the eighteen Space Marine Legions and their primarchs a chance to shine. We’ve revealed never-before-imagined secrets of the era, such as the Shadow Crusade, Imperium Secundus, the Knights Errant and the true nature of Alpharius. And it’s all been leading inexorably to one place: Terra itself.

The Buried Dagger, by James Swallow, will be book 54 in the numbered series, and is the beginning of the end, taking the narrative right up to the opening shots of the Siege of Terra. We know some of you have been wondering if this is the start of a new 50-book series – and we can reveal that it’s not. The Siege of Terra has been carefully crafted as the finale of the Horus Heresy series, telling the tale of the epic battle for the Throneworld from the initial fleet actions in the Solar System right up to that final, fateful clash on the Vengeful Spirit.

If you’re new to the Horus Heresy series, this will be the perfect jumping-on point, a chance to join in the excitement as each new book is released – and you can always go back later and catch up on the stories that led us to the Siege. For all you hardened veterans, this dramatic finale will be an immensely satisfying conclusion to the series you love, tying together characters and dangling story threads in ways you’re never going to see coming.

The upcoming Black Library Weekender will be your chance to find out more about what’s in store for the Siege of Terra, with a seminar featuring the author of the first book – John French – and more details about what’s coming – including exactly how many books you can expect. You’ll also be able to get your hands on a pair of novellas telling prequel stories to the Siege… more on those soon. You can pick up your Black Library Weekender tickets now and browse the Horus Heresy range to see what you might have missed.

**foostick**

I thought there should be another anthology to come out under the HH banner as there's some shorts and audios that haven't been collected in print yet and that was something they'd pledged to do. Unless these will be included in the prequel novellas they've spoken about but I don't think they quite fit.

**Mysterio**

1) John French - yuck.

2) Noted that mention that it won't be another 54 books but...not how many books it will actually be...yet! Curious to see if they'll actually commit to a real number in that upcoming seminar.

**Looky Likey**

Well they do say:

including exactly how many books you can expect.

so I would expect a hard and fast number to be given at the weekender. They have been saying for more than 12 months now that every book they intent to release for SoT is planned, and has an author assigned to it. The only hard number I've ever heard them commit to is more than 3 books, so we know its between 3 and 50 books for sure, I still think 12, one per month or one every two months to match the Primarch series.