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Ah, but that technicality can be fought with another; did one use the EXACT same colors to paint the models? Slightly different shade on the edge highlight? Gold trim instead of silver? Different recess shade on the weapon? Alternate color for the belt buckle? Well that is a deviation from the official scheme, thereby it is a custom faction and can be whatever one wants.

If one's opponent is going to be unreasonably picky about RAW, then might as well use unreasonably pedantic arguments to counteract it

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Has there been any ideas, rumours or guesses what this Draconith will cost?

Kragnos price? With rules in it's own book?

Apologies if I missed this if posted already.

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 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Has there been any ideas, rumours or guesses what this Draconith will cost?

Kragnos price? With rules in it's own book?

Apologies if I missed this if posted already.


The only place I can find Kragnos in the destruction armies in the pitched battled points costs book for 2021 is in the Orruk Warclans section, where he had a big points cost drop from when first released.
Also he is in the pics in Orruk Warclans promotion on Warhammer community.
I wonder if he will be in that book first and then in subsequent destruction books as they come out?

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SamusDrake wrote:
The trailer was good fun too; two bros are gonna clean up the mortal realms...Dragon Ninja style?

But seriously, they need their own late 80s coin-op beat-em-up.


Like... Double Dragon, perhaps?

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It IS fun watching people get bent out of shape over the arbitrary cannon definition they themselves have assigned to 5000 years of constantly-changing mythology


I'm curious - what does artillery have to do with the dragons? Other than using them for target practice, anyway.

changemod wrote:
Call me crazy, but especially after they've been so liberal about which armies can use giants, a large high quality/high detail generic dragon seems like a massive potential moneyspinner. Heck, I've thought for years, even pre-aos that it's odd GW doesn't really unambiguously do a fancy collectors piece dragon.


[snark]Any idea when they're releasing one?[/snark]

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This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

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 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Has there been any ideas, rumours or guesses what this Draconith will cost?

Kragnos price? With rules in it's own book?

Apologies if I missed this if posted already.


You mean the dragon? Money? Probably kragnos price or bit more.

And rules will likely be in the new stormcast book. It's new model for stormcast armies so makes sense rules are there.

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tneva82 wrote:
And rules will likely be in the new stormcast book. It's new model for stormcast armies so makes sense rules are there.


Bit optimistic to think there won't be a bespoke book just for these two minis

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 lord_blackfang wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
And rules will likely be in the new stormcast book. It's new model for stormcast armies so makes sense rules are there.


Bit optimistic to think there won't be a bespoke book just for these two minis


Right before the Sigmarine battletome is released? Hardly. As far as I'm aware GW's current Day 1 DLC push in 40k is for faction rules, Crusade and the like. Not model datasheets/warscrolls. There's currently no good reason to believe a model of a certain army won't be in its faction army book unless that book is already released.

Unless the dragons are more widely available as allies rather than part of Sigmarines, and GW suddenly doesn't feel like previewing expansion books anymore, the assumption should be the rules will be in the upcoming battletome.

As for price, we know nothing at the moment and likely won't until a week before they go on pre-order (was that August or September?), but I wouldn't be shocked if GW gave the giant giant price tag another try. The dragon model seems similar in size and the only reason to go down is if the giant didn't sell anywhere near what GW expected (and GW acknowledges price as the reason if that's the case).

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I mean, the WHC not-a-dragon-honest article does finish with this in the last paragraph...

"Check back with Warhammer Community in future as we take a closer look at the Draconith princes and their place in the upcoming Stormcast Eternals battletome."

That would seem to imply they're in the SCE book, though it doesn't rule them out from being elsewhere as well.

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 Kanluwen wrote:
This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army... 
   
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 lord_blackfang wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
And rules will likely be in the new stormcast book. It's new model for stormcast armies so makes sense rules are there.


Bit optimistic to think there won't be a bespoke book just for these two minis


not really, they're clearly linked to the SCEs, and the 3.0 SCE battletome is coming out

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 Dysartes wrote:
I mean, the WHC not-a-dragon-honest article does finish with this in the last paragraph...

"Check back with Warhammer Community in future as we take a closer look at the Draconith princes and their place in the upcoming Stormcast Eternals battletome."

That would seem to imply they're in the SCE book, though it doesn't rule them out from being elsewhere as well.


It also calls them Dragons several times.

 
   
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Stormcast Battletome Article

Stormkeeps are in:
Spoiler:



The two Dragons are said to be able to be brought in by Stormkeep forces.
Teaser of Karazai's special rules:
Spoiler:


I'm hoping that the Dragons can be brought in by a Scions of the Storm force as well. I'm fiddling around with the idea of Vigilors and a Knight Judicator following in Karazai's murderous wake.

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I don't know if anyone else is reading the name Karazai as Crazy, but it is all I can pull from it. I'm not a fan of Stormcast armor on a Dragon though, it just reads too much of "Everyone wants to be a Sigmarine, Including the dragons"

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The armor's forged by Grugni and his scions. It's a callback to the Greatsword regiments being outfitted in Dwarf forged plate.
   
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So, I take it this Stormkeep thingy is an additional layer of army special rules that's in addition to the chapter traits? Is this a new thing for 3rd ed or was that there before?

Seems like a nice way to mix Sigmarines with Cities.

 Theophony wrote:
I don't know if anyone else is reading the name Karazai as Crazy, but it is all I can pull from it.


Yep. I'm pretty sure the dragon will be fast friends with the centaur vampire called Look Away.

 Theophony wrote:
I'm not a fan of Stormcast armor on a Dragon though, it just reads too much of "Everyone wants to be a Sigmarine, Including the dragons"


Seems to me you should just accept Sigmar as your spiritual liege like the dragon did.

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Stormkeep came with broken realms


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 lord_blackfang wrote:
tneva82 wrote:
And rules will likely be in the new stormcast book. It's new model for stormcast armies so makes sense rules are there.


Bit optimistic to think there won't be a bespoke book just for these two minis


Wanna bet? 50 dollars/pounds they are in sce book

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Warhammer Community's "Dragons are Back" article wrote:We can’t wait to share more about these awesome new characters, and to see what they can do when they join the Stormcast Eternals in battle! Check back with Warhammer Community in future as we take a closer look at the Draconith princes and their place in the upcoming Stormcast Eternals battletome.


They literally said in the announcement article that they'll be in the SCE book.
   
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tneva82 wrote:
Stormkeep came with broken realms


Thanks.

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That Stormkeep ability is powerful, but then I suppose being able to deep strike anything is powerful so an appropriate tradeoff. I like that it's based off the redeemer keyword instead of being just liberators.

LOL at the new staunch defender, it's worse than the core command traits. Wallpaper.

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
That Stormkeep ability is powerful, but then I suppose being able to deep strike anything is powerful so an appropriate tradeoff. I like that it's based off the redeemer keyword instead of being just liberators.

LOL at the new staunch defender, it's worse than the core command traits. Wallpaper.


Yea... that ability... is baaaad. Maybe at some point the Shield of Civilization ability didn't have a 3+? or did d6 mortal wounds? Needing to be near a unit that is near an objective and only getting a 3+ chance to deal... re-rollable d3 wounds. BAAAAAD. I'd rather take +1W from the Universal traits.
   
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Battletomes have always been littered with wallpaper, options so bad they just cover space on the page. Though it has gotten significantly worse over the course of 2nd as sub-factions evolved into their present state. Many armies might as well not have command trait charts because they will always be replaced by sub-faction ones. TBF the new path to glory does give a place to use them.

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
That Stormkeep ability is powerful, but then I suppose being able to deep strike anything is powerful so an appropriate tradeoff. I like that it's based off the redeemer keyword instead of being just liberators.

LOL at the new staunch defender, it's worse than the core command traits. Wallpaper.


so as someone whose new to AOS what are stormkeep armies? what bonuses etc do they have vs non stormkeep armies?

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Right behind you.

Stormkeep armies were introduced during Broken Realms.

Their main schtick is that you're allowed to take some Cities of Sigmar units as part of them.
   
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BrianDavion wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
That Stormkeep ability is powerful, but then I suppose being able to deep strike anything is powerful so an appropriate tradeoff. I like that it's based off the redeemer keyword instead of being just liberators.

LOL at the new staunch defender, it's worse than the core command traits. Wallpaper.


so as someone whose new to AOS what are stormkeep armies? what bonuses etc do they have vs non stormkeep armies?
The traditional SCE allegiance is like the dawn of AoS; they are striking down from the sky on the offense into enemy territory. Stormkeeps are what happens after the SCE capture those realmgates and whatnot they were fighting over. They fortify and settlements spring up around them (this the coalition CoS). So a stormkeep army is essentially a conventional garrison or standing military force. They are acting out of a central fortification in defense of a settled region of land. Thus they have the defensive/objective-holding allegiance abilities previewed in the article. However, stormkeep armies do not get the ability to deep strike their units so it is a pretty big tradeoff.

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Ray Dranfield has a Twitter post showing all the combinations for he Domicile Shell terrain

https://twitter.com/RayDranfield/status/1421173899136540673
   
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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
 NinthMusketeer wrote:
That Stormkeep ability is powerful, but then I suppose being able to deep strike anything is powerful so an appropriate tradeoff. I like that it's based off the redeemer keyword instead of being just liberators.

LOL at the new staunch defender, it's worse than the core command traits. Wallpaper.


so as someone whose new to AOS what are stormkeep armies? what bonuses etc do they have vs non stormkeep armies?
The traditional SCE allegiance is like the dawn of AoS; they are striking down from the sky on the offense into enemy territory. Stormkeeps are what happens after the SCE capture those realmgates and whatnot they were fighting over. They fortify and settlements spring up around them (this the coalition CoS). So a stormkeep army is essentially a conventional garrison or standing military force. They are acting out of a central fortification in defense of a settled region of land. Thus they have the defensive/objective-holding allegiance abilities previewed in the article. However, stormkeep armies do not get the ability to deep strike their units so it is a pretty big tradeoff.


yeah that's a huge trade off, although I can see how it could really open up play styles as suddenly SCEs have a choice between "dig in and hold" or "STEEEEL RAAHIN!"

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 DaveC wrote:
Ray Dranfield has a Twitter post showing all the combinations for he Domicile Shell terrain

https://twitter.com/RayDranfield/status/1421173899136540673
It's a shame that his profile now lists him as an Age of Sigmar scenery designer.

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SCE dragon riders - Stormdrake Guard

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Stormdrake Guard


There’s so much we want to say about the Stormdrake Guard (and we will) but here’s the single coolest thing about them – if you take a Knight-Draconis as your general, your Stormdrake Guard units become Battleline. And you know what that means? An all-dragon army.

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Now we're talkin'.

These 3.0 models make almost all the stormcast and dracoth/stardrake models that came before look like straight trash (which they mostly were).
   
 
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