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 Gomezaddams wrote:

- The next big Kill Team box will be Votann vs. Beastmen according to sources he trusts
- 'So much more stuff' is coming for KT, Eldar, Space Marines etc.
- Campaign book 'Cthonia' coming for HH, campaign involving Sons of Horus and Imperial Fists
- Tank commander models for the legions
- Forge World Knights going plastic according to sources he trusts
- 'Maybe' hints at Epic as Horus Heresy Epic
- Epic coming at the end of the year according to sources he highly trusts
- Adeptus Titanicus titans and Aeronautica planes are going to be wrapped into Epic
- Age of Sigmar: Cities of Sigmar are getting a box set reveal
- Blablabla the Lion is coming reiterated for the n-th time
- Dante speculated to be revealed at Adepticon
- More boarding patrols: Agents of the Imperium, Nurgle
- Maybe a trailer for the CGI trailer for 10th edition

This is why Valrak is such a weird source for rumours - like some of this stuff, bang on the money, but was really any of this a stretch to just.. guess at?

What are you saying, you think it's still possible he's not got a legit contact and the stuff he got right was accurate guesses of obvious stuff? I'm neither a Valrak appreciator nor denier (years ago I was subbed for about a week and found him irritating) but even so this would seem to me to be some very weak copium. Denying he doesn't have a contact and is therefore a weird source is no longer credible.

JWBS wrote:

 Gomezaddams wrote:

- The next big Kill Team box will be Votann vs. Beastmen according to sources he trusts
- 'So much more stuff' is coming for KT, Eldar, Space Marines etc.
- Campaign book 'Cthonia' coming for HH, campaign involving Sons of Horus and Imperial Fists
- Tank commander models for the legions
- Forge World Knights going plastic according to sources he trusts
- 'Maybe' hints at Epic as Horus Heresy Epic
- Epic coming at the end of the year according to sources he highly trusts
- Adeptus Titanicus titans and Aeronautica planes are going to be wrapped into Epic
- Age of Sigmar: Cities of Sigmar are getting a box set reveal
- Blablabla the Lion is coming reiterated for the n-th time
- Dante speculated to be revealed at Adepticon
- More boarding patrols: Agents of the Imperium, Nurgle
- Maybe a trailer for the CGI trailer for 10th edition

This is why Valrak is such a weird source for rumours - like some of this stuff, bang on the money, but was really any of this a stretch to just.. guess at?

What are you saying, you think it's still possible he's not got a legit contact and the stuff he got right was accurate guesses of obvious stuff? I'm neither a Valrak appreciator nor denier (years ago I was subbed for about a week and found him irritating) but even so this would seem to me to be some very weak copium. Denying he doesn't have a contact and is therefore a weird source is no longer credible.

In other videos he 'guessed' all 4 helmet options and the weapons loadout on Ol'Lionel correctly, or the Beastmen v. Votann Killteam box. That sure is some guessing alright!

RazorEdge wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Did the Epic rumour come from the same source that was correct about new Termies vs Nids starter?

Valrak said this.

He said the same source who told him about 10th Edition and the simplification of the new Rules in 40k, told him also about Epic.

Valrak is a mixed bag, clearly he has some sources but he also takes credit for a whole lot of stuff that is floating around online that has nothing to do with his sources.

 Londinium wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Did the Epic rumour come from the same source that was correct about new Termies vs Nids starter?

Valrak said this.

He said the same source who told him about 10th Edition and the simplification of the new Rules in 40k, told him also about Epic.

Valrak knows nothing. He started the rumours well after they were already appearing on the forums. I wouldn't use his 'knowledge' as the basis for any speculation.

Before all this I would have said he gets a lot of things right that are fairly easy guesses or others were already saying similar things to, but unless I've missed something he mentioned things that no one else had. Like 4 different helmet options for the Lion.

FWIW on his live stream tonight Valrak said

- Blood Angels and Dark Angels are getting significant new stuff and he will have more details this week.
- Kill Team is getting a plastic Striking Scorpion versus Space Marine Scouts set.
- He said (and said last night) that the new Lizardmen range is dual use for TOW, but he didn't say that's from his good source so not entirely sure if that's speculation.
- He's heard that the Lion Guard unit are supposed to be in a launch box for the Lion, but thinks it is odd they weren't shown last night if that was true.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 Londinium wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Did the Epic rumour come from the same source that was correct about new Termies vs Nids starter?

Valrak said this.

He said the same source who told him about 10th Edition and the simplification of the new Rules in 40k, told him also about Epic.

Valrak knows nothing. He started the rumours well after they were already appearing on the forums. I wouldn't use his 'knowledge' as the basis for any speculation.

Before all this I would have said he gets a lot of things right that are fairly easy guesses or others were already saying similar things to, but unless I've missed something he mentioned things that no one else had. Like 4 different helmet options for the Lion.

He did not only mention specifically 4, he called out what they would be precisely, i.e. bare head, helmet head, cowl head and cowl with facemask. It is possible that you could guess that accurately, but once you deliver 'guesses' of that quality every couple of weeks it stretches belief that they're still guesses at all.

 The Phazer wrote:
FWIW on his live stream tonight Valrak said

- Blood Angels and Dark Angels are getting significant new stuff and he will have more details this week.
- Kill Team is getting a plastic Striking Scorpion versus Space Marine Scouts set.
- He said (and said last night) that the new Lizardmen range is dual use for TOW, but he didn't say that's from his good source so not entirely sure if that's speculation.

Thanks, nabbing that for the roundup thread

 Londinium wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Did the Epic rumour come from the same source that was correct about new Termies vs Nids starter?

Valrak said this.

He said the same source who told him about 10th Edition and the simplification of the new Rules in 40k, told him also about Epic.

Valrak is a mixed bag, clearly he has some sources but he also takes credit for a whole lot of stuff that is floating around online that has nothing to do with his sources.

I am definitely saving cash for the end of this year. Epic 30K would be...EPIC!

Striking Scorpions sounds a strange kit for Kill Team, though, especially if it is still five a unit...

 Segersgia wrote:
Striking Scorpions sounds a strange kit for Kill Team, though, especially if it is still five a unit...

Especially since the Rangers are RIGHT THERE...

Striking Scorpions vs Scouts also sounds like a total massacre

 Shakalooloo wrote:

 Segersgia wrote:
Striking Scorpions sounds a strange kit for Kill Team, though, especially if it is still five a unit...

Especially since the Rangers are RIGHT THERE...

Rangers are already in plastic. A new box set starter for Kill Team would justify 2 new kits plus new terrain, like Octarius had. Striking Scorpions make more sense for a kill team unit of infiltrators than warp spyders, swooping hawks, or fire dragons. Space Marine scouts as a new kit could replace two of the current oldest SM kits, and tie into the new edition release of Marines.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Rangers are already in plastic.

Half of the KT releases have been things that already exist with a new hat. Don't see why that couldn't also include Rangers.

Yeah, Scorps would be nicer, but are they going to give you 10 in the box?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Rangers are already in plastic.

Half of the KT releases have been things that already exist with a new hat. Don't see why that couldn't also include Rangers.

Yeah, Scorps would be nicer, but are they going to give you 10 in the box?

We had 2 Kill Team Seasons so far. From what they wrote, Gallowfall will indeed be the end of Season 2.
Every season had 4 boxed releases and extras. Every first boxed set had 2 entirely new products. The 3 boxes after that were always 1 new product and 1 existing product with an upgrade sprue.

So chances are, next box will again be 2 entirely new products.

Nothing stops GW from increasing the unit size of Scorpions to 10 in 40K, it's a new edition after all.

If new Lizardmen are dual purpose for The Old World, curious to see what that means for ranking/base sizes.

I'm just curious to see Epic getting official announced or teased.

It was mentioned many times on those "40 Years of Warhammer" Articles on WarCom...

BTW; Valrak mentioned that he expect Epic not at the End of the Year but for an "earlier" release.

There was nary a hint of a mention of Epic.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Rangers are already in plastic.

Half of the KT releases have been things that already exist with a new hat. Don't see why that couldn't also include Rangers.

Yeah, Scorps would be nicer, but are they going to give you 10 in the box?

why not? the transition from resin to plastic would make this easy enough, and the previous eldar kill teams are 9-10 strong already so a scorp kill team would need to be that size anyway (unless they make each scorpion as powerful as a space marine, who are the factions that run 6 model kill teams). Rangers got a new kit recently, so why not use this chance to retire some of the old resin finecast? It gets another new 40k useful kit into the eldars hands, fits with the scorpions being a "infiltration and strike" unit compared to the rangers more "scout and observe" type sneakiness. maybe do an "upgrade sprue" for the rangers at some point down the line.

new scouts are also a potential option, especially if they took this chance to do what they have with the termies and canonise the scouts as being mixed primaris-firstborn (or rather, undifferentiated at this stage of training and recruitment, with the split being later in the pipeline). that said, im less certian about this one. the current plastic scout kit is only a few years old, it might make a nice base for a "upgrade kit" kill team but im a touch leery of them retiring a 3 year old plastic kit. we saw a new phobos marine type in the trailer (armed with combi-flamers and combi-meltas). maybe they are the new "scout" type for a kill team box?

xerxeskingofking wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Rangers are already in plastic.

Half of the KT releases have been things that already exist with a new hat. Don't see why that couldn't also include Rangers.

Yeah, Scorps would be nicer, but are they going to give you 10 in the box?

why not? the transition from resin to plastic would make this easy enough, and the previous eldar kill teams are 9-10 strong already so a scorp kill team would need to be that size anyway (unless they make each scorpion as powerful as a space marine, who are the factions that run 6 model kill teams). Rangers got a new kit recently, so why not use this chance to retire some of the old resin finecast? It gets another new 40k useful kit into the eldars hands, fits with the scorpions being a "infiltration and strike" unit compared to the rangers more "scout and observe" type sneakiness. maybe do an "upgrade sprue" for the rangers at some point down the line.

new scouts are also a potential option, especially if they took this chance to do what they have with the termies and canonise the scouts as being mixed primaris-firstborn (or rather, undifferentiated at this stage of training and recruitment, with the split being later in the pipeline). that said, im less certian about this one. the current plastic scout kit is only a few years old, it might make a nice base for a "upgrade kit" kill team but im a touch leery of them retiring a 3 year old plastic kit. we saw a new phobos marine type in the trailer (armed with combi-flamers and combi-meltas). maybe they are the new "scout" type for a kill team box?

Because GW seem set on making all aspect infantry boxes 5 models - see dire avengers, dark reapers and howling banshees. GW could put two sets of scorpions in the box, but when they come out they will be a ridiculously expensive 5 man box.

I wouldn't have a problem if those 5 man boxes that cost as much as 10 primaris were actually worth 10 primaris, but they're all still T3 W1 models.

xerxeskingofking wrote:
the current plastic scout kit is only a few years old, it might make a nice base for a "upgrade kit" kill team but im a touch leery of them retiring a 3 year old plastic kit.

I'm sorry - how old do you think these guys are?

Hint - the year in the URL is not their release year.

 Dysartes wrote:

xerxeskingofking wrote:
the current plastic scout kit is only a few years old, it might make a nice base for a "upgrade kit" kill team but im a touch leery of them retiring a 3 year old plastic kit.

I'm sorry - how old do you think these guys are?

Hint - the year in the URL is not their release year.

They say scout, they mean infiltrators.

The infiltrators / incursors were in a Kill Team box last year, I got two of those for the terrain and traitor guard

 Dysartes wrote:

xerxeskingofking wrote:
the current plastic scout kit is only a few years old, it might make a nice base for a "upgrade kit" kill team but im a touch leery of them retiring a 3 year old plastic kit.

I'm sorry - how old do you think these guys are?

Hint - the year in the URL is not their release year.

fair enough, i wasn't 100% sure how old that kit was. and yes, i went off the url date because i didn't have anything better to date off, and wasn't about to trawl the internet to get a specific date. I only really got back into the hobby in late 2020, i dont really know the ages of a lot of stuff form before that point.

So, maybe they *will* replace the scout kit as well.

xerxeskingofking wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

xerxeskingofking wrote:
the current plastic scout kit is only a few years old, it might make a nice base for a "upgrade kit" kill team but im a touch leery of them retiring a 3 year old plastic kit.

I'm sorry - how old do you think these guys are?

Hint - the year in the URL is not their release year.

fair enough, i wasn't 100% sure how old that kit was. and yes, i went off the url date because i didn't have anything better to date off, and wasn't about to trawl the internet to get a specific date. I only really got back into the hobby in late 2020, i dont really know the ages of a lot of stuff form before that point.

So, maybe they *will* replace the scout kit as well.

Just for ease of reference they were iirc without googling, released in early 4th ed? They'll be at/coming up to drinking age.

Dudeface wrote:


Just for ease of reference they were iirc without googling, released in early 4th ed? They'll be at/coming up to drinking age.

hmm, i was active back then, but don't remember those form that time. then again, i dropped out around the 5e launch and didn't play marines at that time, so it might just be i never noticed.

RazorEdge wrote:
I'm just curious to see Epic getting official announced or teased.

It was mentioned many times on those "40 Years of Warhammer" Articles on WarCom...

BTW; Valrak mentioned that he expect Epic not at the End of the Year but for an "earlier" release.

Epic being mentioned often is not a sure sign for anything, it was a 'core game' for many years and many designs that we nowadays see in 40k originated from there. Displaying it prominently in a history article makes sense.

That being said, i can't really see it release earlier in the year, we know a lot of the release slots already, then there'll have to be a glut of 40k releases, the earliest i could see it happen is in mid-late autumn. But who knows, release schedules have been crazy for some time.

Striking Scorpions make the most sense for Kill team, they're supposed to be the sneaky commando aspect.

They're also in power armour, so with an exarch might be getting close to a marine sized team.

Dudeface wrote:

xerxeskingofking wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

xerxeskingofking wrote:
the current plastic scout kit is only a few years old, it might make a nice base for a "upgrade kit" kill team but im a touch leery of them retiring a 3 year old plastic kit.

I'm sorry - how old do you think these guys are?

Hint - the year in the URL is not their release year.

fair enough, i wasn't 100% sure how old that kit was. and yes, i went off the url date because i didn't have anything better to date off, and wasn't about to trawl the internet to get a specific date. I only really got back into the hobby in late 2020, i dont really know the ages of a lot of stuff form before that point.

So, maybe they *will* replace the scout kit as well.

Just for ease of reference they were iirc without googling, released in early 4th ed? They'll be at/coming up to drinking age.

They came out not long after I started, which was 2005. I remember the new kit being shown in White Dwarf.

Plastic Scouts were released in 2006. If you're ever wondering about when something was released pre-2010, just check Stuff of Legends.

ImAGeek wrote:

 RedSarge wrote:
Calling it right now, the new Terminators are NOT multi-part kits. [Look at the waist/belt]

No, they’re almost certainly the ones from the starter. I’d imagine a full kit will follow though.

But what an odd choice? We had Betrayal at Calth [multi-part] then Prospero [again, multipart] then after that a Mk6 box that was completely in the other direction.
Must be real cheap for GW to make or use aluminum moulds for these FOMO boxes.

lord_blackfang wrote:

 RedSarge wrote:
Calling it right now, the new Terminators are NOT multi-part kits. [Look at the waist/belt]

By which you mean you can't pointlessly rotate the hips?

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If that's the only thing you did with multi-part models I play a
Let's see if GW can turn the entire industry into copying them with cut apart CAD sculpts. After all, they ARE the hobby.
GW will be the only company not making multi-part, multi-pose friendly plastic kits. I'll never get why someone would argue for LESS capability from there $70 box of troops.

I would love new striking scorpions! And it would make perfect GW logic to have them locked in a kill team box.
The problem with aspect warriors though, is they take a pride in beeing unflexible and more or less religiously hold on to their fixed gear. It would be really dull for a kill team, in my oppinion.