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AT could get an expansion for just super heavy tanks. Wouldn't be that far off from knights.

Anything else would fall into Epic.

 Moopy wrote:
AT could get an expansion for just super heavy tanks. Wouldn't be that far off from knights.

Anything else would fall into Epic.

Why bother working on an older system when you can put everything in a new, though.

If you want to mix titans and tanks, Epic is litterally what it's made for. And if you want to play titans only, that's the sole reason of AT.

Sarouan wrote:

 Moopy wrote:
AT could get an expansion for just super heavy tanks. Wouldn't be that far off from knights.

Anything else would fall into Epic.

Why bother working on an older system when you can put everything in a new, though.

If you want to mix titans and tanks, Epic is litterally what it's made for. And if you want to play titans only, that's the sole reason of AT.

It doesn't hurt to release rules for both game systems where appropriate. 40k copes with getting PDF downloads for Kill Teams so people can use the same kit for multiple purposes. Super heavy tanks can be easily represented using terminal cards very similar to the current knight rules without any major overhauls to the core game.

Having said that I hope they use Epic as opportunity to develop new titan units and produce kits that would be harder to justify solely for AT. For example Rapier scout titans will naturally lean towards an anti-infantry or anti-tank role due to carrying lighter weapons. Another game system gives GW the chance to design kits like that where the majority options are suitable for Epic, but there is still a reason to buy the model for AT too.

Remind that we had rumors about that AT will stay a supported System when Epic returns.

RazorEdge wrote:
Remind that we had rumors about that AT will stay a supported System when Epic returns.

Easy to do, it's on life support already!



No idea what a 'supported product' would even mean in the context of AT - probably keeping the Compendium and other cardboard products available alongside the models, and eventually releasing more chaosified titan parts or models; other than that, the game is in a state that you could reasonably call 'complete'. You could do more variants, more weapons, and of course Imperator-class titans, but it's not actually lacking anything.

A friend of mine had the original, and we played it a bit. He also purchased the rules supplement with the rules for things like the Capitol Imperialis and drop pods, though I don't think we ever used any of those rules

I don't remember super detailed rules, but it's been a long time since I played it.

 Pacific wrote:
Are there any longbeards here who played it? I started with Space Marine 2nd edition (the one with Ultramarines on the cover) which apparently was a vastly simplified version of the original. From what I have read, the original had a crazy level of detail (rules for infantry ambushing armour amongst buildings and things like that) and took a very long time to play.

Basic game had a bit more detail than you'd find these days, rules for vehicles ramming each other and infantry, firing arcs and turns for vehicles, lots of modifiers and tables.

Then you got the Advanced rules with regrouping of dead units, 6 different situational heroic actions, hidden units, and artillery support.

I only ever used the basic rules, the advanced rules seemed a bit much.

Sarouan wrote:

 Moopy wrote:
AT could get an expansion for just super heavy tanks. Wouldn't be that far off from knights.

Anything else would fall into Epic.

Why bother working on an older system when you can put everything in a new, though.

Adding new content for an existing game is never a bad thing, especially when those new models could play double duty depending on the rule set you want to use. Easy $$.

lol, Valrak announced a Video for Epic next week...

RazorEdge wrote:
lol, Valrak announced a Video for Epic next week...

Very well, he seems - at the moment - to be the only rumourmonger with a reliable source, and if Epic arrives in late Autumn like he said several times before the earlier stuff for it should now move into the ~3-4 month window his source seems to have insight in.

UK Games Expo this coming weekend, I was hoping GW would announce some specialist games stuff like they used too over these events. Maybe it could happen with a preview of epic, warcom could announce something this week as they made no mention of UKGE in this evenings sunday preview.

SonofHades wrote:
UK Games Expo this coming weekend, I was hoping GW would announce some specialist games stuff like they used too over these events. Maybe it could happen with a preview of epic, warcom could announce something this week as they made no mention of UKGE in this evenings sunday preview.

Probably not, GW is doing 10th edition demo game livestreams from US Open Kansas at the same time as the UKGE happens, they probably do not want to detract from that:

US Open Kansas City (06/02-06/04) GW only event; summary here: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/01/13/heres-whats-in-store-at-the-2023-us-open-series-and-world-championships-of-warhammer/
Now confirmed to have special preview games:

We’ll be livestreaming the top-table action as usual – but there are a few treats for avid Warhammer 40,000 fans. From 7pm CDT (1am BST) on Thursday the 1st of June and Friday the 2nd of June, we’ll be hosting full 2,000 point games from the new edition. There’ll be expert commentators on hand to break down the action and discuss the new datasheets for each and every unit that appears.

Source: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/05/25/warhammer-events-catch-the-first-ever-livestreamed-games-of-the-new-edition-of-warhammer-40000-this-june/

Source: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/810015.page

There are, however many other events with GW involvement that pose excellent opportunities to reveal a game.

Didn't Valrak talked about late Summer when he mentioned Epic?

RazorEdge wrote:
Didn't Valrak talked about late Summer when he mentioned Epic?

The turn of phrase he used was 'It's coming at the end of the year' which could mean a release or an announcment, and GW itself is a bit shifty in their season designation.

It's noted in the Rumour Roundup thread, 03/15/2023:

- Epic coming at the end of the year according to sources he highly trusts Pending

I keep receipts for a reason

What’s that about? We’ll have more information soon.

Its interesting to note that today is now four weeks since the announcement at Warhammer Fest. Tomorrow would be a quiet time to share more information...

...unless its another sodding Necromunda reveal.

SamusDrake wrote:

What’s that about? We’ll have more information soon.

Its interesting to note that today is now four weeks since the announcement at Warhammer Fest. Tomorrow would be a quiet time to share more information...

...unless its another sodding Necromunda reveal.

Very much doubt they'll say much before Leviathan goes up for sale, the marketing focus is heavily on that right now.

Gencon or Nova seem like ideal timing for further news, especially if the release date is in the typical November slot. Hopefully there's another teaser later in June/July.

Tsagualsa wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
Didn't Valrak talked about late Summer when he mentioned Epic?

The turn of phrase he used was 'It's coming at the end of the year' which could mean a release or an announcment, and GW itself is a bit shifty in their season designation.

It's noted in the Rumour Roundup thread, 03/15/2023:

He also predicted the teaser video for it based on what he's been told about the schedule for it.

 xttz wrote:


Very much doubt they'll say much before Leviathan goes up for sale, the marketing focus is heavily on that right now.

Gencon or Nova seem like ideal timing for further news, especially if the release date is in the typical November slot. Hopefully there's another teaser later in June/July.

Not much point in showing the teaser at Warhammer Fest, in that case. If a November release then they might as well have started the hype in August.

Not shooting the messenger though, as today was indeed just a single 40K article on Warhammer Community.

SamusDrake wrote:

 xttz wrote:


Very much doubt they'll say much before Leviathan goes up for sale, the marketing focus is heavily on that right now.

Gencon or Nova seem like ideal timing for further news, especially if the release date is in the typical November slot. Hopefully there's another teaser later in June/July.

Not much point in showing the teaser at Warhammer Fest, in that case. If a November release then they might as well have started the hype in August.

Not shooting the messenger though, as today was indeed just a single 40K article on Warhammer Community.

They might be planning to start the hype later on, that teaser only makes any sense to people that are extremely clued in and following the rumour mills. A couple of months between teaser and announcment, and then real previews some weeks after that works out fine, they would not want to detract from 10th edition too much, but the also need to actually show and release things that are not that.

Certainly a possibility, I guess.

Oh well, we'll just have to wait this one out.

Just a minor point that has probably already been noted, but ... while browsing old White Dwarf issues (206 to be precise), I noticed that the tagline "War on a new scale" was used to promote the release of Epic 40,000 back in the day.

LoL if that means something....would like those comic events where we were "years in the making" and use old things to create new tales.

There are bags of 6mm games out there already where you can utilise all your old stuff - why wait for GW to re-release? Is there really that large a scene of people playing in GW stores that insist on GW stuff?

Unfortunately I've found that even most independent clubs don't have many people playing many non-GW games.

 Ragsta wrote:

There are bags of 6mm games out there already where you can utilise all your old stuff - why wait for GW to re-release?

It's not the same thing.

 Ragsta wrote:

There are bags of 6mm games out there already where you can utilise all your old stuff - why wait for GW to re-release? Is there really that large a scene of people playing in GW stores that insist on GW stuff?

Because I'm in this hobby because of GW and their IP, and I want to play with official GW models without breaking the bank (2nd edition Space Marine stuff is hard to find on ebay, and is always overpriced). You do you.

 tauist wrote:

Because I'm in this hobby because of GW and their IP, and I want to play with official GW models without breaking the bank (2nd edition Space Marine stuff is hard to find on ebay, and is always overpriced). You do you.

I believe the question aimed at those who already own old Space Marine / Epic armies. If only missing the rules then NetEpic or Horizon Wars are good alternatives.

I just want new Epic models on par with the new AT/Aeronautica kits.

 Ragsta wrote:

There are bags of 6mm games out there already where you can utilise all your old stuff - why wait for GW to re-release? Is there really that large a scene of people playing in GW stores that insist on GW stuff?

If I tell the people at my FLGS (who only play 40k) that they can play a 6mm game where they have to 3d print everything and the rules are either 20 years old and unsupported or online community rulesets, they will roll their eyes into the back of their head and try to forget I ever walked into the store. No store within 100 miles of me has any playerbase for games that aren't currently produced, supported and sold in the stores. We don't really have gaming clubs like the UK has, which make those other games much easier to run.

 Ragsta wrote:

There are bags of 6mm games out there already where you can utilise all your old stuff - why wait for GW to re-release? Is there really that large a scene of people playing in GW stores that insist on GW stuff?

Fair question.

For folks playing games with their own group, you're right.

However, a current set of published rules sets the foundation for folks from different groups to play together with no issues.

Till the new Epic comes out, you can make the argument that Net-Epic is that rule set, but after...

And some folks don't want to re-base their minis twice.