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Perspex seems the best material here. Easy to cut to shape and plenty resilient for repeated use. And of course, won’t clash with however you decorated your board.

I don't really understand the neoprene vs cardboard footprint debate. Surely the most important thing is just the design and image quality of the print on top? The same print on a neoprene mat or on a cardboard base of the same size will look just the same on a table with some terrain on top of it, no?

My main gripe with the GW ones is that I don't really like the print, and it would look out of place on the mats I use.

 Nevelon wrote:
People still have their scraps from when they cut their 4x6 mats to the new standard?

Did anyone do this instead of just marking of the play area with some painter's tape?

 goffnob deffsmakka wrote:
I don't really understand the neoprene vs cardboard footprint debate. Surely the most important thing is just the design and image quality of the print on top? The same print on a neoprene mat or on a cardboard base of the same size will look just the same on a table with some terrain on top of it, no?

My main gripe with the GW ones is that I don't really like the print, and it would look out of place on the mats I use.

 Nevelon wrote:
People still have their scraps from when they cut their 4x6 mats to the new standard?

Did anyone do this instead of just marking of the play area with some painter's tape?

Card should be cheaper but looks a bit tackier, glossier, tends to rip/chip/bend and harder to fold or store as a result.

 goffnob deffsmakka wrote:

 tauist wrote:
The "GW terrain is flat, wouldnt fit" argument misses the point. One could easily cut and file away detail from the floor piece in order to fit a terrain piece on it. Then just add rubble and environmental fx like flock etc, to make the whole terrain piece look nice and cohesive. It would require some work, but would end up looking a hundred times better than completely scratch built terrain bases. IMHO

GW wouldn't offer something that requires that much additional clipping/filing, their hobby products are intended to be beginner-friendly.
Besides, if it would require assembly to correctly fit around the building, isn't that just the same as using third-party or 3D-printed basing bits on a plasticard base?

Again, no, since plasticard warps. And the benefits of plastic over resin are very obvious, in terms of weight, easy glueability and much less toxic particle residue if/when you need to modify it by volume subtraction.

Remind me again, why GW sells plastic floor tiles for Necromunda, even when they also supply the same flooring via a thin cardboard? So why not both also for 40K?

That actually makes me think one way to tackle this would be to buy more Necromunda flooring, and using that for the bottoms. Might just do that instead. I didn't spend all that cash on two Realm Of Battle boards just to use cardboard *spits*

Greenfield wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:


EDIT: This is made dramatically worse at the moment by the card game speculator bubble. Card manufacturing is basically constantly operating at peak capacity at the moment which is also why you're seeing so many games swap to tarot sized cards where there's less demand.

Have you got a source for this?

I don't know if it is a UK/EU problem, but it is in America. Wargame vault owner, retailers, publishers and distributors have all talked about it.

 tauist wrote:
Again, no, since plasticard warps. And the benefits of plastic over resin are very obvious, in terms of weight, easy glueability and much less toxic particle residue if/when you need to modify it by volume subtraction.
Remind me again, why GW sells plastic floor tiles for Necromunda, even when they also supply the same flooring via a thin cardboard? So why not both also for 40K?
That actually makes me think one way to tackle this would be to buy more Necromunda flooring, and using that for the bottoms. Might just do that instead. I didn't spend all that cash on two Realm Of Battle boards just to use cardboard *spits*

The cardboard looking horribly out of place on a realm of battle is something I can agree with.

When talking about plastic bases I had more elaborate rubble designs in mind. Plastic tiling like the Zone Mortalis is definitely more feasible.
As to why they're not doing it, who can say. I guess cardboard is just more profitable for them. Few people would buy more than one set, and plastic pricing might cause fewer sales, combined with higher production costs.

So with the card area terrain - does the card block LOS or the terrain on it? If its the card, terrain just became optional in 40k...

The_Real_Chris wrote:
So with the card area terrain - does the card block LOS or the terrain on it? If its the card, terrain just became optional in 40k...

Both. The card prevents drawing LoS through it.

The terrain blocks TLOS for units, which is rather important for units on the card. Which includes every model trying to hold an objective.

In addition, most non-infantry models cannot move through terrain, and there is that rule for extra BS when shooting from 3" above ground or higher.

It is possible to play without terrain now, but you probably shouldn't.

The_Real_Chris wrote:
So with the card area terrain - does the card block LOS or the terrain on it? If its the card, terrain just became optional in 40k...

My understanding is that the obscuring and hidden rules act on the terrain area. But LOS should still count when within detection range. For units within the terrain area, the terrain and elevation will still affect their LOS as well.

 tauist wrote:
Remind me again, why GW sells plastic floor tiles for Necromunda, even when they also supply the same flooring via a thin cardboard?

Because they literally sell modular terrain that slots into this game board.

That actually makes me think one way to tackle this would be to buy more Necromunda flooring, and using that for the bottoms. Might just do that instead. I didn't spend all that cash on two Realm Of Battle boards just to use cardboard *spits*

Spending 134€/$170 on GW plastics, cutting it up and painting it up will obviously look a lot better than opening a 25€/$30 box of ready to play cardboard.


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WE faction focus up, including an explanation of Cleave.

Melee blast is a sensible mechanic - though I wonder if it'll replace the Strike/Sweep options overtime.

I'm guessing Blast will also move Blast [X] to account for some weapons being blastier than others.

I really, really hope that Cleave means sweep profiles are going away. Seems like a good solution instead of the "kill everything" split profiles we currently have on a lot of larger models.

Presumably also means Blast will be [Blast X], which might mean we'll see fewer weapons with D6+3 Blast in the future. Go back to just regular D6 shots, but have the Blast portion of their rule allow proportionately more shots into big units.

The cardboard is a good, mass market solution that works similar to what we've seen from Kill Team boards and the like. If you want something more specific, there will be dozens of options coming from 3rd parties. The hobby has always had things GW provides and options to buy elsewhere or build yourself if GW's setup doesn't match up with what you want.

 Jidmah wrote:

And there would be shortage because they would literally compete with new releases in the factory.

No, there wouldn't be. Because Games Workshop terrain is "designed in the UK, made in China."

 tauist wrote:

Again, no, since plasticard warps. And the benefits of plastic over resin are very obvious, in terms of weight, easy glueability and much less toxic particle residue if/when you need to modify it by volume subtraction.

Remind me again, why GW sells plastic floor tiles for Necromunda, even when they also supply the same flooring via a thin cardboard? So why not both also for 40K?

That actually makes me think one way to tackle this would be to buy more Necromunda flooring, and using that for the bottoms. Might just do that instead. I didn't spend all that cash on two Realm Of Battle boards just to use cardboard *spits*

Haha, this is quite the tell that you probably haven't seen a Necromunda tile outside of webstore jpegs. Most of them are seriously warped. When you order a set you whisper a prayer to the Emperor that you'll get units with convex warping, instead of ones with concave warping. In fact, a lot of the GW terrain that is designed with large-footprint single pieces ends up warped. The Mawpit from AoS is another example I've personally dealt with. Their large oval bases have also always been notorious for coming warped. The bigger plastic parts get, the more precision is lost in the fit with other parts, and the more likely they are to be wobblers.

It sounds like their decision to go cardboard may have saved you some disappointment having to confront the actual realities of their terrain.

 Jidmah wrote:

Spending 134€/$170 on GW plastics, cutting it up and painting it up will obviously look a lot better than opening a 25€/$30 box of ready to play cardboard.

It would actually look pretty bad, without doing a lot of work!

Necromunda tiles are not solid squares of plastic. They have a lip, much like a GW model base would have if you scaled the base up in size. There are also moulded spars on the underside to (inadequately) protect against warping. But imagine cutting a base in half and that's what you'd see after chopping up a Necromunda tile -- there would be a big gaping view into the underside of the piece you cut out. You could then cut/sand down the lips and spars, but even after doing that the bottom of the tile isn't flat, it has the inverse of the sculpted outer surface showing. So you'd have to sand the whole thing down like crazy.

The floor tiles from the Zone Mortalis Platforms and Stairs set are actually solid plastic squares, so you could arrange those into terrain footprints without a lot of work. If you wanted a $1K+ set of footprints, that is.

I finally have a use for the plethora of fold out boards I've picked up from a multitude of GW products over the last few years.

In fact, I have some very easy to cut up thin card ones that came with the Conquest and Imperium Hachette partworks.

@Pilot Prix: Thanks for the info, I didn't know. I've only ever seen them on display in a store, never played necromunda. I do have a few sets though, as their bits are in general much better for kitbashing than your average 40k set is.

 alphaecho wrote:

I finally have a use for the plethora of fold out boards I've picked up from a multitude of GW products over the last few years.

In fact, I have some very easy to cut up thin card ones that came with the Conquest and Imperium Hachette partworks.

That's a great idea, actually. I have a ton of those as well.

Seeing some reported repainted gw terrain mentioned elsewhere. It was from a reddit user who has since had the post deleted.

Pilot Pirx wrote:

 Jidmah wrote:

And there would be shortage because they would literally compete with new releases in the factory.

No, there wouldn't be. Because Games Workshop terrain is "designed in the UK, made in China."

 tauist wrote:

Again, no, since plasticard warps. And the benefits of plastic over resin are very obvious, in terms of weight, easy glueability and much less toxic particle residue if/when you need to modify it by volume subtraction.

Remind me again, why GW sells plastic floor tiles for Necromunda, even when they also supply the same flooring via a thin cardboard? So why not both also for 40K?

That actually makes me think one way to tackle this would be to buy more Necromunda flooring, and using that for the bottoms. Might just do that instead. I didn't spend all that cash on two Realm Of Battle boards just to use cardboard *spits*

Haha, this is quite the tell that you probably haven't seen a Necromunda tile outside of webstore jpegs. Most of them are seriously warped. When you order a set you whisper a prayer to the Emperor that you'll get units with convex warping, instead of ones with concave warping. In fact, a lot of the GW terrain that is designed with large-footprint single pieces ends up warped. The Mawpit from AoS is another example I've personally dealt with. Their large oval bases have also always been notorious for coming warped. The bigger plastic parts get, the more precision is lost in the fit with other parts, and the more likely they are to be wobblers.

It sounds like their decision to go cardboard may have saved you some disappointment having to confront the actual realities of their terrain.

 Jidmah wrote:

Spending 134€/$170 on GW plastics, cutting it up and painting it up will obviously look a lot better than opening a 25€/$30 box of ready to play cardboard.

It would actually look pretty bad, without doing a lot of work!

Necromunda tiles are not solid squares of plastic. They have a lip, much like a GW model base would have if you scaled the base up in size. There are also moulded spars on the underside to (inadequately) protect against warping. But imagine cutting a base in half and that's what you'd see after chopping up a Necromunda tile -- there would be a big gaping view into the underside of the piece you cut out. You could then cut/sand down the lips and spars, but even after doing that the bottom of the tile isn't flat, it has the inverse of the sculpted outer surface showing. So you'd have to sand the whole thing down like crazy.

The floor tiles from the Zone Mortalis Platforms and Stairs set are actually solid plastic squares, so you could arrange those into terrain footprints without a lot of work. If you wanted a $1K+ set of footprints, that is.

I actually do have an unwarped set of Zone Mortalis floor tiles. Whether the next ones I buy will be like that, remains to be seen..


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What is this new terrain? I like it! Will buy when this kit releases. It's industrial looking enough, will pair up great with Volkus terrain

Pics appear to have been taken in China. Not the polybag with what I think is Chinese writing.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Pics appear to have been taken in China. Not the polybag with what I think is Chinese writing.

That tracks with GWs terrain production history.

It looks surprisingly good, especially the cream-coloured wall sections.
Having to fix up the paint after removing the sprue gates and mould lines seems like the main downside to me.

Anyone know how something like this is done in a production line? Does it use stencils placed over the sprues or really fine spray nozzles (looking at the hazard stripe cables).
One of the pictures looks like it has some masking paper behind it that was used during the painting process.

 goffnob deffsmakka wrote:
It looks surprisingly good, especially the cream-coloured wall sections.
Having to fix up the paint after removing the sprue gates and mould lines seems like the main downside to me.

Anyone know how something like this is done in a production line? Does it use stencils placed over the sprues or really fine spray nozzles (looking at the hazard stripe cables).
One of the pictures looks like it has some masking paper behind it that was used during the painting process.

If it's like Archon's Prismcast it's spray nozzles - basically an oversized bubblejet printer.

Squadmarks also just announced a line of pre-printed bases, so it looks like a lot of companies might be jumping on the technology.

It looks great though the nubs are going to be a nightmare.

SnotGoblin also notably does something like this.

Definitely on the "believe it when I see it" side of the fence, but the sheer amount in the box with what we can see having consistent paint jobs makes it a more believable rumor.

Fascinating- this is pretty big news considering GW has historically never been big on prepaints.

The focus on terrain in 11th now looks like the rules side of a two-prong effort. On the rules side they're incorporating terrain to a more prescriptive level than the historical 'here's an example, figure it out', while on the marketing/ecosystem side they're reducing the barriers to fielding suitable terrain, by making it readily available and without requiring hobby effort that most players would rather put into their army.

I'm still not wild about cardboard templates, but for a game that in recent editions has broken down hard if you don't have enough or appropriate terrain on the table, this is a big improvement for people less DIY motivated.

The creative side of this hobby is one of the few things that make it appealing to parents, who were historically the ones spending the money, but I guess these days it's 40% middle aged people and 60% eBay scalpers so it doesn't matter so much.

I think they look kinda neat. I'd still want to touch them up a bit (that servitor needs painting), but the vibe of the terrain is pretty cool, and it absolutely seems great for beginners.

This looks exactly like the quality of Archon's pre-painted terrain, in that it has its limits and looks foggy for lack of a better word. I would have thought GW might start with higher quality for something that'll probably be triple the price of Archon, so I'm a bit cautious whether it's true.

Could be samples.

Campaign details. Really liking the overall flow of this. Godtear had something similar and I had always wanted to see something like this for a game more suited to this kind of play.

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