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A friend and I are just getting back into the game and were playing a game tonight, his Daemons against my Tau, when we reached a bit of an impasse. I'd love to get some opinions on how this should have played out.

He cast Hallucination on a unit consisting of 3 stealthsuits, 3 gun drones, and an XV8 commander.

My interpretation of the power's effect was that I needed to roll 6 S3 attacks (3 for stealths, 3 for drones) and 1 S5 attack (for the commander) against the majority toughness of the unit, T4, followed by 3+ armor saves against any wounds inflicted.

His interpretation of the power's effect was that I needed to basically have each model attack itself, resulting in 3 S3 attacks against T3, with 3+ saves; 3 S3 attacks against T4 with 4+ saves, and 1 S5 attack against T4 with a 3+ save.

I'm not sure just how different the results would really have been either way, and the game didn't hinge on this result. We'd still like to play it properly going forward. Thoughts?

Is this the same Hallucination on page 423 of the basic rule book?

Assuming it is, and the right random effect was rolled, I would side with your interpretation. The 'you! You're a Traitor' rule has nothing within it stating the model is attacking themselves or telling you to resolve the hits against individual models. The rule states that these hits are being resolved against the unit, so you resolve them against the unit as you are told to do. This would follow the
standard rules for attacking a unit in close combat, which involves using the majority toughness of the unit itself. There are a few modifications to the standard method, of course, but nothing that states you target individual models within the unit at their own toughness.

Sorry, yes. It's the power on 423 the BRB, and he rolled a 6 for "You! You're the traitor!"

I thought so but was thrown off by that missing step for a moment.

So yes, to reiterate Jinx's statement, and to quote the rule, each model makes a hit "on his own unit," not not himself.

Daemons and their dirty cheating ways....

I take it the unsaved wounds should be randomly allocated in the unit, just like with Vector Strike?

Or do you use the CC allocation rules as they are effectively knocking each other over in a Melee like attack?

Random allocation, as you dont have an I step, no way of knowing who was the attacking model, cannot follow base contact rules, etc

nosferatu1001 wrote:
Random allocation, as you dont have an I step, no way of knowing who was the attacking model, cannot follow base contact rules, etc

Yup so you may not be able to save with 3+ the wounds caused. The random allocation might assign the wounds to one of the 4+ models and if it dies and there are remaining wounds on the wound pool another random allocation would take place.