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WASHINGTON (AP) — Striving to take action where Congress would not, the Obama administration announced new steps Thursday on gun control, curbing the import of military surplus weapons and proposing to close a little-known loophole that lets felons and others circumvent background checks by registering guns to corporations.

Four months after a gun control drive collapsed spectacularly in the Senate, President Barack Obama added two more executive actions to a list of 23 steps the White House determined Obama could take on his own to reduce gun violence. With the political world focused on Mideast tensions and looming fiscal battles, the move signaled Obama's intent to show he hasn't lost sight of a cause he took up after 20 first graders and six adults were gunned down last year in an elementary school in Newtown, Conn.

One new policy will end a government practice that lets military weapons, sold or donated by the U.S. to allies, be reimported into the U.S. by private entities, where some may end up on the streets. The White House said the U.S. has approved 250,000 of those guns to be reimported since 2005; under the new policy, only museums and a few other entities like the government will be eligible to reimport military-grade firearms.
The Obama administration is also proposing a federal rule to stop those who would be ineligible to pass a background check from skirting the law by registering a gun to a corporation or trust. The new rule would require people associated with those entities, like beneficiaries and trustees, to undergo the same type of fingerprint-based background checks as individuals if they want to register guns.

Vice President Joe Biden, Obama's point-man on gun control after the Newtown tragedy thrust guns into the national spotlight, was set to unveil the new actions Thursday at the White House.

The event in the Roosevelt Room will also mark the ceremonial swearing-in for Todd Jones, whose confirmation to head the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives after six years of political wrangling to fill that position was another of Obama's post-Newtown priorities. A Senate deal to approve the president's pending nominations after Democrats threatened to change Senate rules cleared the way for Jones' confirmation last month.

Still out of reach for Obama were the steps that gun control advocates and the administration's own review say could most effectively combat gun violence in the U.S., like an assault weapons ban and fewer exceptions for background checks for individual sales. Only Congress can act on those fronts.

Although Obama and Biden have said the fight is not over, there is scant evidence that there is more support for gun control legislation than there was in April, when efforts died in the Senate amid staunch opposition from the National Rifle Association and most Republican senators.

"Sooner or later, we are going to get this right," Obama said that day in the White House Rose Garden, with the families of Newtown victims and former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords — herself a victim of a gunman — at his side. "The memories of these children demand it, and so do the American people," the president said at the time.

In the months following the Senate vote, Biden has claimed that at a handful of lawmakers who opposed expanded background checks have told him privately they've changed their minds and want another chance. But Biden and White House officials have not named any of those lawmakers.

These days, Obama mentions gun control with far less regularity than when it appeared the Senate was poised to take action, although Obama did meet Tuesday with 18 city mayors to discuss ways to contain youth violence. And with immigration and pressing fiscal issues dominating Congress' agenda, the prospects for reviving gun legislation appear negligible.

With Jones' confirmation at ATF, the White House has completed or made significant progress on all but one of the 23 executive actions Obama had previously ordered in January, the White House said. Still lingering is an effort to finalize regulations to require insurers to cover mental health at parity with medical benefits, although the White House said that it is committed to making that happen by the end of 2013.

The new rules for guns registered to corporations will follow the traditional regulatory process, with a 90-day comment period before ATF reviews suggestions and finalizes the rule. Last year, ATF received 39,000 requests to register guns to corporations and trusts.

 SilverMK2 wrote:
But then again it also stops the re-import of much more modern military grade hardware... which I think is the point, rather than stopping gangs picking up flintlocks on the cheap...

 daedalus wrote:
I can only assume it must be important to attempt to stop things that aren't happening because someone had a nightmare about it somewhere.

The event in the Roosevelt Room will also mark the ceremonial swearing-in for Todd Jones, whose confirmation to head the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives after six years of political wrangling to fill that position was another of Obama's post-Newtown priorities.

 Ahtman wrote:

 daedalus wrote:
I can only assume it must be important to attempt to stop things that aren't happening because someone had a nightmare about it somewhere.

Those are called Voter ID laws.

 Ahtman wrote:

 daedalus wrote:
I can only assume it must be important to attempt to stop things that aren't happening because someone had a nightmare about it somewhere.

Those are called Voter ID laws.

 Kanluwen wrote:

The event in the Roosevelt Room will also mark the ceremonial swearing-in for Todd Jones, whose confirmation to head the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives after six years of political wrangling to fill that position was another of Obama's post-Newtown priorities.

I find that far more troubling.
It took SIX YEARS to fill the position of head of an agency.

I see absolutely nothing in this article singling out M1 Garands. I would love to see where you're getting the information that the only thing coming back into the US is M1 carbines and Garands.


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 Ahtman wrote:

 daedalus wrote:
I can only assume it must be important to attempt to stop things that aren't happening because someone had a nightmare about it somewhere.

Those are called Voter ID laws.

Snap.

 Frazzled wrote:

 SilverMK2 wrote:
But then again it also stops the re-import of much more modern military grade hardware... which I think is the point, rather than stopping gangs picking up flintlocks on the cheap...

But its not occurring. The govenrment can already stop or permit items. The only ones coming back in the last decade have been those M1 carbines and I think some Garands. Way to show your true colors there Obama.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:

 daedalus wrote:
I can only assume it must be important to attempt to stop things that aren't happening because someone had a nightmare about it somewhere.

Those are called Voter ID laws.

And warning stickers like the one we had once that said "don't insert knife in children." I'm so glad they told me, I never knew.


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 Kanluwen wrote:

The event in the Roosevelt Room will also mark the ceremonial swearing-in for Todd Jones, whose confirmation to head the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives after six years of political wrangling to fill that position was another of Obama's post-Newtown priorities.

I find that far more troubling.
It took SIX YEARS to fill the position of head of an agency.

I see absolutely nothing in this article singling out M1 Garands. I would love to see where you're getting the information that the only thing coming back into the US is M1 carbines and Garands.


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 Ahtman wrote:

 daedalus wrote:
I can only assume it must be important to attempt to stop things that aren't happening because someone had a nightmare about it somewhere.

Those are called Voter ID laws.

Snap.

They're not but thats the only that has been permitted back in the last decade.

 Frazzled wrote:
No it doesn't. you have to do a little searching to see which firearms are at issue. Here's a bit.

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/06/korean-m1s-still-in-limbo-new-bill-introduced-to-prevent-state-department-from-blocking-imports-2680620.html

Now the second EO I have absolutely no problem with.

“There is a fear of average people owning guns,” said Erich Pratt, director of communications for Gun Owners of America. “The administration has been in many ways trying to slice and dice our rights from us. This was another attempt at doing so.”

“This is a political stunt on the part of the State Department, pure and simple, while denying the exercise of Second Amendment rights by law-abiding citizens, firearm collectors, and competitive marksman. The State Department has no business blocking domestic firearm ownership; they are way out of bounds and my legislation will put them back in their place,” she continued.

 SilverMK2 wrote:
But then again it also stops the re-import of much more modern military grade hardware... which I think is the point, rather than stopping gangs picking up flintlocks on the cheap...

 Ma55ter_fett wrote:
So can you still buy new M1 Garands and Carbines in the US totaly legally but may have some troubles buying one that was used by the South Korean military 50-60 years ago and is being reimported?

 Ma55ter_fett wrote:
So can you still buy new M1 Garands and Carbines in the US totaly legally but may have some troubles buying one that was used by the South Korean military 50-60 years ago and is being reimported?

 whembly wrote:
Um...


Is that right?

 xole wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Um...


Is that right?

It's standard practice that every president is to blame for all the faults that occured during their (hopefully) 4 or 8 year reign.

Of course, once the republicans advance beyond the bronze era, they will probably mock the practice to.

 xole wrote:

Of course, once the republicans advance beyond the bronze era, they will probably mock the practice to.

Of course, once either side of the two-party partisanship advance beyond the bronze era, they will probably mock the practice to(o).

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
If I lived in 'murica, I'd want an M1. I'm not pro gun at all, but that's a damn fine weapon. I'd like to have one as a piece of history, also a high rate of fire and a lot of stopping power, just in case I'd need it for real.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
If I lived in 'murica, I'd want an M1. I'm not pro gun at all, but that's a damn fine weapon. I'd like to have one as a piece of history, also a high rate of fire and a lot of stopping power, just in case I'd need it for real.

And in the spirit of international cooperation, I'd love a decent Enfield. I have have two cans of surplus .303 with no rifle to go all Mad Minute with.

 daedalus wrote:

 xole wrote:

Of course, once the republicans advance beyond the bronze era, they will probably mock the practice to.

What I think you meant to say is:

Of course, once either side of the two-party partisanship advance beyond the bronze era, they will probably mock the practice to(o).

Lest I remind you of how Bush caused 9/11, Bush caused Katrina, ad nauseum....

Repeat after me: Neither party is flawless, neither party is perfect, neither party has your (or my) interests or well-being at heart.

 xole wrote:

I never said they were. Republicans never made snappy pictures mocking the people who said everything was Bush's fault.

 daedalus wrote:

 xole wrote:

I never said they were. Republicans never made snappy pictures mocking the people who said everything was Bush's fault.

Well, most old people afraid of change and science aren't good with computers.

 Frazzled wrote:
Seriusly? This just wreaks of stupid. Please identify one time ONE TIME an M1 Garand or M1 carbine have been used in a crime in the last 50 years (the movie Thin Red Line does not count).

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
If I lived in 'murica, I'd want an M1. I'm not pro gun at all, but that's a damn fine weapon. I'd like to have one as a piece of history, also a high rate of fire and a lot of stopping power, just in case I'd need it for real.

 Spacemanvic wrote:

 SilverMK2 wrote:
But then again it also stops the re-import of much more modern military grade hardware... which I think is the point, rather than stopping gangs picking up flintlocks on the cheap...

That doesnt happen.

In this country, purchase of FA firearms by civilians became illegal for any FA firearm made after 1986. So, re-import of modern military grade firearms does not occur in the US. Instead, those arms are sold to client states/international arms market. You can purchase a pre-1986 ban FA firearm provided you go through the NFA Class III process and purchase a $200 tax stamp, wait the 10 months for clearance, then spend the $10,000+ dollars for the most basic of 27 year old+ FA firearms.

Here's a link to see what you need to go through to acquire one of these weapons: http://targetworld.net/Steps%20for%20buying%20NFA%20%28Class%20III%20Weaponry%29%2011-3-07.pdf

This policy was written to appease the ignorant into thinking that the crackdown will do much of anything, other than increase the cost of FA arms in current circulation, or in the case of the M1 Garand, increase the cost/value of antique arms

 Ouze wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Seriusly? This just wreaks of stupid. Please identify one time ONE TIME an M1 Garand or M1 carbine have been used in a crime in the last 50 years (the movie Thin Red Line does not count).

challenge accepted

spiking the ball, now!

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
If I lived in 'murica, I'd want an M1. I'm not pro gun at all, but that's a damn fine weapon. I'd like to have one as a piece of history, also a high rate of fire and a lot of stopping power, just in case I'd need it for real.

Amen, brother. That and the 1911 are just fine, fine hardware. I would love to own either the Garand or the Carbine.

 Kanluwen wrote:
If you really want to talk about "the uninformed", how about we mention the fact that right now you can buy Garands through the CMP--a government branch.

And how the government are going to be one of the entities still able to import weapons.