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For sure. With the other three, there's a lot more dedication to the aesthetic.
Rubrics all wear quite distinctive Heresy pattern armour albeit with fancy swirls and robes to show they haven't really changed in 10k years.
Plague Marines have the signs of being Astartes but also have the intense physical corruption that marks them as servants of Nurgle.
Noise Marines will be interesting to see with a new sculpt but even then they merge themselves with their weapons and turn their bodies into walking speakers.
Berzerkers are just angry dudes, sometimes with helmet things. To be a Berzerker you just have to be earth-shatteringly angry all the time. No tentacles, no drug or speaker racks, no runes escribed to stop the dust from falling out. Just an angry dude with a big weapon.

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I like him, looks better than Kharn model.
   
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I just think they felt more different back then from the old CSM than they do now.
They seem like regular CSM with a different paintjob to me.

Comparison
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Hmm. Looks pretty good but yeah, kinda just like a red chaos marine. Hopefully some distinctive shoulder pads with big dumb huge brass designs.

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Part of the distinction is all the gold. They're honestly not that different in the first iteration.


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Oh, and the red is absurdly brighter on the old ones compared to the new model's paintjob

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Again, what's with GW's fetish for plastering loin/chaincloths on all Chaos Marine models since the mid 2010's?
   
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I think I finally realized what my biggest issue is.

I'm still in love with the FW upgrade heads. If they had replaced the vox grill with pointy looking teeth, I think it would have gone a long way into making this model look less of a khorne marine and more of a berserker
   
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I quite like the model, definitely a better version than the original.

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Bureau Gnome wrote:
Again, what's with GW's fetish for plastering loin/chaincloths on all Chaos Marine models since the mid 2010's?


Broadly, they're the wild barbarians to the noble Space Marine knights.

And that is a perfect Zerker design, with enough visual clues to clearly identify the model, without turning it into a walking pile of skulls and Khorne symbols. Calling it "plain" is an insult to purposeful design.
   
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EviscerationPlague wrote:
Part of the distinction is all the gold. They're honestly not that different in the first iteration.


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Oh, and the red is absurdly brighter on the old ones compared to the new model's paintjob



The red is also more flat on the old ones, while the new paintjob seems more rich and deep

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Bureau Gnome wrote:
Again, what's with GW's fetish for plastering loin/chaincloths on all Chaos Marine models since the mid 2010's?


I can think of a couple of reasons.

A groin is a good place to put dangly bits.

GW's models occasionally have bad anatomy, especially the Chaos Terminators, with legs being too far apart at the hip. Dangly bits can cover this up and create the illusion that GW isn't bad at anatomy.

Marine armor is pretty top heavy and the lower half is very disco pants. That can lead to models looking unduly thin in the thighs. Bulking them up with dangly bits helps avert that appearance.

Dangly bits give GW an opportunity to tie models of the same faction together with recurring design elements. Rags for generic Chaos Marines, chains for Khornates, tabards for Black templars, nightgowns for Dark Angels. It's an effective use of otherwise empty and unused space.

As seen on the new Mk.VI Marines, you can make power armor very plain. Plain models have advantages and disadvantages. GW has a tendency to create models that are covered in a fair amount of detail, with that detail usually being quite deep. This lets even beginners paint their models to a decent standard without much experience and only basic techniques, thus improving the look of models on the tabletop and hopefully providing a boost in motivation to keep at it.

As has been mentioned, dangly bits can give Chaos Marines a wilder appearance, telling you something about their character.

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The new Khorne Berserker is serviceable to me. I was expecting a little more bling on them, but this isn't bad. The only thing that would prevent me from purchase is if GW thinks a box of 10 should be the cost of Legionaries with the upgrade sprue and not the $60 U.S. most 10 marine kits are. Because at the end of the day, this Khorne Berserker model isn't that much different than a CSM, and 3rd party conversion bits are easier than ever to get a hold of.
   
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Who cares about detail when the important takeaway here is the immense improvement in terms of stance. No longer is Khorne being worshipped by a group of footballers.
   
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a_typical_hero wrote:
I just think they felt more different back then from the old CSM than they do now.
They seem like regular CSM with a different paintjob to me.

Comparison
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Okay, but why?

What are some big differences that were present between old Zerkers and old CSM that are not present between modern Zerkers and modern CSM?

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I thought the image was supposed to show the consistency of design between generic CSM and Zerkers? Because that's what it's showing.
   
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I like the new zerker and his lack of details on details--I can always add bling if I want to, removing it is much trickier.

The bling I do like is the loin cloths/half tabard, I just think they look cool.

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He's a very clean mini, which isn't what I was expecting.

I like it, and I'm glad he's not in heavily mutated/deformed armour with jutting spikes, teeth and skulls everywhere.

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 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Okay, but why?

What are some big differences that were present between old Zerkers and old CSM that are not present between modern Zerkers and modern CSM?

I made another one with full squads:

- Berserkers looked busier / more detailed. They are about equal right now.
- The colours (especially gold and red) are more vibrant, though that is just a paintjob and can be changed.
- The unit's silhouettes are quite different from each other. We don't have the full picture, yet, but the shown model is nearly identical in pose to the squad leader (?) of the generic CSM squad.
- Not all, but some Zerkers looked way more dynamic than the generic CSM. Again, that might change with the full squad's release.
- The Khorne symbols (apart from the head) are rather small and easy to miss. File them off and you basically have the generic squad leader. Maybe it's a problem with the angle, as we don't see the shoulder pads.

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The sculpt is of a high quality, it just doesn't scream KILL.MAIM.BURN. to me as they used to.

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If you need more skulls, GW literally sells them by the box.

The only thing the old models screamed was "I'm faaaalllliiiinnnngggggg"
   
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a_typical_hero wrote:
 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Okay, but why?

What are some big differences that were present between old Zerkers and old CSM that are not present between modern Zerkers and modern CSM?

I made another one with full squads:

- Berserkers looked busier / more detailed. They are about equal right now.
- The colours (especially gold and red) are more vibrant, though that is just a paintjob and can be changed.
- The unit's silhouettes are quite different from each other. We don't have the full picture, yet, but the shown model is nearly identical in pose to the squad leader (?) of the generic CSM squad.
- Not all, but some Zerkers looked way more dynamic than the generic CSM. Again, that might change with the full squad's release.
- The Khorne symbols (apart from the head) are rather small and easy to miss. File them off and you basically have the generic squad leader. Maybe it's a problem with the angle, as we don't see the shoulder pads.

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The sculpt is of a high quality, it just doesn't scream KILL.MAIM.BURN. to me as they used to.
-Subjective. Personally don't see a difference.
-Not a difference in the actual models
-Also subjective. Personally I see no less difference now than before. Pose looks dissimilar, but it's possible I am looking at a different build.
-The zerker has a full sprint pose, which only one of the CSM models shares (could have missed some alt builds though, maybe someone can correct me).

Right now it seems like a very subjective difference being seen.

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And we've seen one. Pretty hard to condemn the entire kit from a single model.

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And we've seen one. Pretty hard to condemn the entire kit from a single model.

Not impossible though. Plague Marines immediately come to mind LOL
   
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Old Zerkers were only more 'dynamic' compared to old CSM because they were all poses mere moments before falling on their face, instead of mid-dump.

But in all seriousness, of course they're all going have more dynamic poses, because unlike back then, modern GW doesn't suck at modelling and can give both CSM and Zerkers very dynamic, natural poses.

Still then, most CSM in the kit are posed both feet on the ground, and the one Zerker we saw thus far is posed sprinting.

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Love it. I have tons of fine chain (not the stupid chunky crap GW likes) and plenty of GW standard issue skulls to bling them out with.
   
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EviscerationPlague wrote:
Not impossible though. Plague Marines immediately come to mind LOL
What's wrong with the Plague Marines from an aesthetic standpoint?

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
What's wrong with the Plague Marines from an aesthetic standpoint?


I personally think they're second only to the Space Wolves in how visually flanderised they've become.
   
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 His Master's Voice wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
What's wrong with the Plague Marines from an aesthetic standpoint?


I personally think they're second only to the Space Wolves in how visually flanderised they've become.
I don't think the term really works when the entire point of the legion is to be focused on a very specific theme. Previously they just didn't have the model support.

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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
 His Master's Voice wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
What's wrong with the Plague Marines from an aesthetic standpoint?


I personally think they're second only to the Space Wolves in how visually flanderised they've become.
I don't think the term really works when the entire point of the legion is to be focused on a very specific theme. Previously they just didn't have the model support.
I agree. I don't think that word really applies to the plague Marines. Besides, the kit itself allows for 'cleaner' versions, with fewer gaping maws in their armour and whatnot. There are some parts that go a bit too far (the fly Terminator is a bit much, but only because you can't not build one in every 5 like that - which is a failure of kit design, not of aesthetics), but generally the faults of the Death Guard line are their lack of customisability and options. They're very set in stone, with little variation possible, as they represent the shift between full-on multi-part modular kits (Thousand Sons were the last) and the more jig-saw puzzle style that they mostly do now (of which Death Guard were the first for 40k).

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 His Master's Voice wrote:
 H.B.M.C. wrote:
What's wrong with the Plague Marines from an aesthetic standpoint?


I personally think they're second only to the Space Wolves in how visually flanderised they've become.


Imo, they seem very cartoony. Big tentacles and mouths, surprisingly bright colors, etc. nurglings get a pass but I was underwhelmed by most of the range.

It’s not really a deal breaker, but it does kind of suck that all plague marines have to be death guard now. Obviously that’s what the faction represents. But the models are so far disconnected from vanilla marines that you can’t mix some into your csm as plague aligned csms, because of how different the armor is. Not to jinx it, but that doesn’t look like an issue for the berserkers. Which may also be an issue for some players lol
   
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I'm in two minds about them.

One side is a bit "meh" because, well, it's not that different to the CSM Legionaries. I feel if there was more indoctrination on MKII parts it would have been a lot more distinct.

The other side is Loving This for it's kit bashing potential. a few scrapes off the Khorne markings and a quick replacement of a Night Lords Helm and I have some CC Legionaries! A quick backpack change to a Jump Pack and we get some really nice looking Raptors! Got some spare CC bits from the Legionaries KT box and I'm sure some of these bodies are great for dynamic looking special weapons! I mean look at those chains!!

I guess I need to see the rest of them but right now my Kitbashing mind is screaming need for these!

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