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Hello all! Tomorrow I'll be attending BeakyCon, in Kissimee Florida. Naturally I am bringing my Tyranids, but you'll get to see that list later! Like Sunday night kind of later. Anyways, I figured I'd start this thread out for predictions of what'll happen! I'll give a quick recap of BeakyCon one and two...
BeakyCon 1: My first GT, I somehow went 4-2, enough to land third place of the Silver bracket despite bringing Tyranid Shrikes. What was I thinking?!?!?!
BeakyCon 2: A great start went less great, as I started out 4-0 and was leading the GT at this point... However, dice let me down late and I went 4-2 again (ranking unknown).
BeakyCon 3: You vote, I decide!

Anyways, I am very much so looking forward to this! The scenarios will all have multiple missions, which is quite nice. I'll post those in the BatReps, which will begin on Monday! Expect a photo dump Sunday as well, as I will be snapping lots of pics! I have a nasty, nasty list planned out though! I have been doing some math-hammer and tried out three different lists, and made some tweaks all around... If you want to find my BatReps, I'd look around here: http://knighthammer40k.blogspot.com/search/label/Battle%20Reports

Anyways, vote away on how you think this will go for the Tyranids!

Before I vote, is this double-FOC? Are Forgeworld allowed?

 jy2 wrote:
Before I vote, is this double-FOC? Are Forgeworld allowed?

Good questions there. Double FOC, FW allowed, Allies allowed. 5 rounds, at the end of day one, the four 3-0 players will be entered into a bracket to determine the winner.

I'm going with the 4-10 bracket. I played Nids in a FW allowed GT this year and it was rough. I ended up going 5-1-1 and taking fifth but felt like I had to bring my A game every opponent and hope they had some bad dice. Double FOC makes it alot tougher as I feel it opens up a lot more options that are dangerous to Nids.

I'm going with 2-3.

Quad-flyrants! You know you want it!

I went with the 4-10 nids are lower top tier and show their strengths but just can't quite finish it out once they hit the top meta.

Hello all! Wow, crazy weekend. Had 5 highly enjoyable games this weekend! First off, here's a picture dump of non-game pictures. http://knighthammer40k.blogspot.com/2013/10/beakycon-picture-dump.html

Next, here's the pregame info for my first Battle Report...

*Disclaimer on Batreps! I played 5 games this weekend. It's entirely possible I forgot some details, but I'll do what I can to make it as accurate as possible. I may confuse if I blew up a chimera on turn 2 or 3, etc. If you were my opponent in any of these reports, please speak up and correct any errors I made. Also, opponents will be identified by first name only. If anyone would like even that removed, just let me know and it'll disappear.*

A note on BeakyCon: Last year, we had two very unfortunate situations where one player was caught cheating (by myself and several other of his opponents) and another player had a single Loaded dice that he was using for first turn and such.For this reason, the TO decided to supply the dice at no additional charge. Every player recieved 6 custom "Beaky" dice and a GW bombardment dice cube. Any time there is a crazy roll in my games (and there were some, from both sides, that hit Lady Averages in the back of the head with a lead pipe, then killed her and left her in a ditch.) there is absolutely no way my opponent cheated. Someone else hit 10/12 overwatch shots AND killed 10 guardsmen to keep an opponent out of a 2" charge, but that was insane.

My List:



Opponent: Eric

My Opponents list: Eldar/Tau



My Opponent: I drew first round against Eric, who I had seen at Crucible 2013 but never played. I had actually really hoped to play him here, as he drew third place, while I drew fourth at Crucible. So, I was a bit excited for this matchup, but also knew he was a good player.

The Mission:

Two Primary objectives:

Have the most scoring units in your opponents DZ (6 points)
Have more Kill Points than your opponent (6 points)

One Secondary Objective

Modified Emperors Will: Place an objective in your DZ, scatter it 3d6. Three points for siezing your opponents objective.

Tiebreaker 1: Table quarters
Tiebreaker 2: Kill more scoring units than your opponent

The board: A lot of area terrain, but only a little LoS blocking. Specifically, one tall skinny tower in the center and one small bunker bottom left.

Initiative: Eldar get first turn, there is no Night Fight.

Powers:


Great powers, but I must first weather some tremendous Taudar shooting!

Dawn of War deployment

Deployment Taudar: On the left side, his Reapers are on the las behind the Aegis, with Riptide and Broadsides and Jetseer right next to them. Empty Wave Serpent in on the far left. The 4 guardian Wave Serpents are on the right.

Deployment Bugs: I place most of my army on the right, 2 Tervigons and one Flyrant. They hide in a line so the Broadsides have no shots at them. The other two flyrants are behind the bunker at the way bottom left with Biovores. 10 gants in a crater middle of my DZ, everything else is reserved, including one outflanking Tervigon (gotta keep the Primary in mind)

Thoughts/predictions?

Turn 1 Eldar:



Turn 1 Tyranids:



My plan for what's next:


Turn 2 Eldar:


Turn 2 Tyranids:


Turn 3 Eldar:


Turn 3 Tyranids:


Turn 4 Eldar:


Turn 4 Nids:


Turn 5 Eldar:


Turn 5 Nids:


Turn 6 Eldar:


Turn 6 Nids:


Final:



Post-game:

With that many iron arms and you full boat psychic powers. I don't see the taudar standing much of a chance. But who knows. Weirder things have happened I'm sure ;p

Game 1 posted. Here's the list for game 2...

Iron Hands:

Master of the Forge, Shield Eternal, Servo Harness

5 Tac Marines in Assault Cannon Razorback
5 Tac Marines in Assault Cannon Razorback
5 Tac Marines in Assault Cannon Razorback
5 Tac Marines in Assault Cannon Razorback
5 Tac Marines in Assault Cannon Razorback
5 Tac Marines in Assault Cannon Razorback

3 Centurions with Missile/Grav Cannons
Land Raider

Rifleman Dread
Rifleman Dread

Thunderfire Cannon
Thunderfire Cannon

Stormtalon (Skyhammer Missiles, Assault Cannon)
Stormtalon (Skyhammer Missiles, Assault Cannon)

My powers:

Tyrant 1: Enfeeble, Life Leech
Tyrant 2: Endurance, Warp speed
Tyrant 3: Life Leech, Smite
Tervigon 1: Endurance, Smite, Enfeeble
Tervigon 2: Smite, Warp Speed, Endurance
Tervigon 3: Iron Arm, Endurance, Smite
Zoanthrope 1: Puppet Master, Psychic Shriek
Zoanthrope 2: Puppet Master, Psychic Shriek
Zoanthrope 3: Puppet Master, Psychic Shriek
Doom: Psychic Shriek

The Mission: Hammer and Anvil

Two Primaries:
Emperors Will: Your objective is worth 2 points, your opponents is 10.
Kill Points modified: Scoring units are two points, the Warlord is worth 4.

Starting turn 5, -1 to Psychic powers, turn 6 -2, etc. (This has no effect)

Bonus points: Last blood, Linebreaker

Ouch. Bad dice, bad.....

Looks like it just wasn't your day.

 jy2 wrote:
Ouch. Bad dice, bad.....

Looks like it just wasn't your day.

I dislike making excuses, and I can usually identify a reason why I lost any given game, but this was perhaps my worst game ever. None of tactics ever lasted long enough to see if they'd work, likewise my opponent complimented a few things I did, they just fell apart. Fortunately, I can say that my dice weren't that bad at any point for the rest of the game.

It is what it is. These type of games happen and I believe almost everyone has had one of these games before if they've been playing long enough. It's the type of game where you can do no right and your opponent can do no wrong. Now I'm not talking about tactics. I'm talking about the things that are out of your control. These are some of the worst games you will ever experience and it makes you just want to flip the table over and start throwing models around. At least it was cool of your opponent to try to make your feel better.

Wow, dice decided that game for you and I thought you had a chance once I saw your powers. Those games happen. Good you stuck it out, it can be hard to.

That was a brutal round 1, hope round 2 went better.

While that first game was a Adoublefanny whooping. Hopefully the second game goes better. And I'm actually super interested in seeing how the space marines list works out for him.

*Disclaimer on Batreps! I played 5 games this weekend. It's entirely possible I forgot some details, but I'll do what I can to make it as accurate as possible. I may confuse if I blew up a chimera on turn 2 or 3, etc. If you were my opponent in any of these reports, please speak up and correct any errors I made. Also, opponents will be identified by first name only. If anyone would like even that removed, just let me know and it'll disappear.*

Opponent: Hendrik

List: Iron Hands:



My powers:



The Mission: Hammer and Anvil

Two Primaries:
Emperors Will: Your objective is worth 2 points, your opponents is 10.
Kill Points modified: Scoring units are two points, the Warlord is worth 4.

Starting turn 5, -1 to Psychic powers, turn 6 -2, etc. (This has no effect)

Bonus points: Last blood, Linebreaker

First turn: Iron Hands

(I am writing from the perspective of a Long board edge. My DZ to the left, opponents to the right. "Up top" is the opposite long board edge, bottom is mine.)

Deployment Iron Hands:

Deployment Nids:

Turn 1 Hands:

Turn 1 Nids:

Turn 2 Hands:

Turn 2 Nids:

Iron Hands 3:

Tyranids 3:
Iron Hands turn 4:

Tyranids turn 4:

Iron Hands turn 5:

Nids turn 5:

I am leading modified Kill Points, 23-10. I also hold both objectives for 12 points, and Linebreaker and Last Blood.

Victory, 37-10!

Post game: This was a tough match-up for my opponent I think, as he had a lot of Kill points that I could get. He was a very friendly guy though, who I'd happily play again. It was a good way for me to bounce back though. Game three vs Daemons coming up!

A hint for the impatient, my BatReps are always on my blog for a bit before I post them here http://knighthammer40k.blogspot.com/

Solid victory.

Just FYI "The Flyrant drops and combi-charges a Dread and Thunderfire"... a single model unit cannot execute a multi-assault.

 hyv3mynd wrote:
Solid victory.

Just FYI "The Flyrant drops and combi-charges a Dread and Thunderfire"... a single model unit cannot execute a multi-assault.

Interesting, I'll have to check that out. The Thundefire likely wouldn't have made much of a difference if I'd left it out though for one more turn.

 jifel wrote:

 hyv3mynd wrote:
Solid victory.

Just FYI "The Flyrant drops and combi-charges a Dread and Thunderfire"... a single model unit cannot execute a multi-assault.

Interesting, I'll have to check that out. The Thundefire likely wouldn't have made much of a difference if I'd left it out though for one more turn.

He's right. That's an illegal move. You can only "multi-assault" if you have a unit consisting of more than 1 model.

I made some defiant mistakes, but it was an overall good game and learning experience.

Yep, I like your opponent's list but had way to many kill points to give out, would have been better if had been different mission I think

That Iron Hands list is pretty underwhelming. It doesn't have any real range that starts on the table (2 lascannons and 4 twin-linked autocannons that can shoot at only 3 targets plus the two TFCs) and no special weapons outside of the razorback turrets. I like the grav centurions personally, I think he just invested too much in vehicles trying to max out on IWND and didn't really balance the list. Assault cannons are bad against nids because it means you have to close inside their ideal range band to maximize (24 inches and less).

Ok, game 3! Sorry for the delay, life happens. The full game is already on my blog http://knighthammer40k.blogspot.com/2013/10/beakycon-game-3-2250-vs-daemons.html

*Disclaimer on Batreps! I played 5 games this weekend. It's entirely possible I forgot some details, but I'll do what I can to make it as accurate as possible. I may confuse if I blew up a chimera on turn 2 or 3, etc. If you were my opponent in any of these reports, please speak up and correct any errors I made. Also, opponents will be identified by first name only. If anyone would like even that removed, just let me know and it'll disappear.*

Opponent: Paul

List:


My Powers:



The Mission:

Deployment: Table quarters! What a Classic.

Primary 1: The Relic is worth 4 points.
Primary 2: Kill Points

Secondary: Destroy all scoring units and get +2 points

Bonus (Slay the Warlord, Linebreaker)

The Board:



For POV, I have the "bottom right" table quarter, my opponent has top left. This corresponds with the closer right side corner of the pic above as my zone.

Initiative: Daemons have turn one. Night Fight inactive

Deployment Daemons:

Deployment Nids:

Turn 1 Daemons:

Turn 1 Nids:

Turn 2 Daemons:

Turn 2 Nids:

Turn 3 Daemons:

Tyranids turn 3:

Daemons turn 4:

Tyranids turn 4:

Daemons turn 5:

Tyranids turn 5:

Game ends here.

As a Daemon player (mostly Flying Circus builds) I've found that Tyranids can be real uphill battle for me. I run a Tzeentch-heavy list, and Shadows in the Warp really ruins my day. Even if I manage to get Iron Arm on a Prince, I can usually only cast it reliably on the first turn. Shadows winds up shutting down almost all of my shooting, and what does go off generally gets denied on a 5+ if I'm shooting at a high value target (Flyrant or some such).

Nids are really the only army I just don't want to face. I haven't fought Grey Knights since the new Daemons book came out and I don't think that'll go well for me either, though not as badly as Tyranids.

 undertow wrote:
As a Daemon player (mostly Flying Circus builds) I've found that Tyranids can be real uphill battle for me. I run a Tzeentch-heavy list, and Shadows in the Warp really ruins my day. Even if I manage to get Iron Arm on a Prince, I can usually only cast it reliably on the first turn. Shadows winds up shutting down almost all of my shooting, and what does go off generally gets denied on a 5+ if I'm shooting at a high value target (Flyrant or some such).

Nids are really the only army I just don't want to face. I haven't fought Grey Knights since the new Daemons book came out and I don't think that'll go well for me either, though not as badly as Tyranids.

Game 3 finished

Yeah, Shadows is a MASSIVE boost against Daemons especially, and against Tyranids as well. Ironically, they're my next opponent...

It's sad how, without Iron Arm, a DP can be so easily killed by another MC, even a tervigon or riptide, with just 1 smash attack. For the points, those DP's should be T6!

Good comeback so far. Looking forwards to the rest.

 jy2 wrote:
It's sad how, without Iron Arm, a DP can be so easily killed by another MC, even a tervigon or riptide, with just 1 smash attack. For the points, those DP's should be T6!

Good comeback so far. Looking forwards to the rest.

For how badass those DPs are, T5 is a critical balance aspect.

PanzerLeader wrote:

 jy2 wrote:
It's sad how, without Iron Arm, a DP can be so easily killed by another MC, even a tervigon or riptide, with just 1 smash attack. For the points, those DP's should be T6!

Good comeback so far. Looking forwards to the rest.

For how badass those DPs are, T5 is a critical balance aspect.

To me, the loss of EW and the more than doubling of their price is enough of a "critical balance aspect".

I just hate it when these 350-pt guys get one-shotted by a wraithknight or stomped on by a riptide. You know, that under-costed MC....

 jy2 wrote:

PanzerLeader wrote:

 jy2 wrote:
It's sad how, without Iron Arm, a DP can be so easily killed by another MC, even a tervigon or riptide, with just 1 smash attack. For the points, those DP's should be T6!

Good comeback so far. Looking forwards to the rest.

For how badass those DPs are, T5 is a critical balance aspect.

To me, the loss of EW and the more than doubling of their price is enough of a "critical balance aspect".

I just hate it when these 350-pt guys get one-shotted by a wraithknight or stomped on by a riptide. You know, that under-costed MC....

But neither of those can really match the in-game strengths of the DP. With wings, you can control an opponent's movement and target priorities by forcing a relatively hard to hit target on turn 1. The close combat damage potential is far higher than a wraith knight or a riptide and depending on mark and psychic powers, they can be much harder to kill than either and have a much broader effect on the game. It does suck to see them get one shotted, but there isn't that much S10 out there (even Tau rarely have more than 1 Hammerhead) and if the assault is set up properly, a MC is going to die to the DP on average dice at a higher initiative (particularly if you get a Nurgle ID sword or have the dreaded Black Mace).

PanzerLeader wrote:

 jy2 wrote:

PanzerLeader wrote:

 jy2 wrote:
It's sad how, without Iron Arm, a DP can be so easily killed by another MC, even a tervigon or riptide, with just 1 smash attack. For the points, those DP's should be T6!

Good comeback so far. Looking forwards to the rest.

For how badass those DPs are, T5 is a critical balance aspect.

To me, the loss of EW and the more than doubling of their price is enough of a "critical balance aspect".

I just hate it when these 350-pt guys get one-shotted by a wraithknight or stomped on by a riptide. You know, that under-costed MC....

But neither of those can really match the in-game strengths of the DP. With wings, you can control an opponent's movement and target priorities by forcing a relatively hard to hit target on turn 1. The close combat damage potential is far higher than a wraith knight or a riptide and depending on mark and psychic powers, they can be much harder to kill than either and have a much broader effect on the game. It does suck to see them get one shotted, but there isn't that much S10 out there (even Tau rarely have more than 1 Hammerhead) and if the assault is set up properly, a MC is going to die to the DP on average dice at a higher initiative (particularly if you get a Nurgle ID sword or have the dreaded Black Mace).

Then again, you can also leave him with a 70-pt MSU combat squad to assault, let him overkill and then shoot him down. Without the Grimoire and/or Iron Arm, the DP is really just a big and nasty glass-hammer. Yeah, he's got good offense and he can control the board. But he also needs to rely on a decent amount of LOS-blocking terrain or even a unit of fire warriors can shoot him down reliably (if he's on the ground). As for other MC's, all they need to do is to anchor themselves in area terrain and they have the advantage against a non-Grimoired, non-Iron armed DP.

Give me T6 (or lower the cost slightly) and I may consider running them. Otherwise, I prefer to go with soulgrinders in my daemon army currently. In any case, let's get back on topic. With regards to the DP, I think we can just agree to disagree.