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Ben Carson admits fabricating West Point scholarship
Carson's campaign on Friday admitted that a central point in his inspirational personal story was fabricated.
By Kyle Cheney
11/06/15 11:29 AM EST
Updated 11/06/15 11:34 AM EST

Current version:

Exclusive: Carson claimed West Point 'scholarship' but never applied
Republican hits POLITICO story, later admits to The New York Times he wasn’t offered aid.
By Kyle Cheney
11/06/15 11:29 AM EST
Updated 11/06/15 03:42 PM EST

Technically, it's the third time they've changed it: they added "exclusive" to a middle one I didn't reproduce.

At least he was able to go on Hannity's radio show and set the record straight that this is just another example of liberal media bias and they are parsing words. Yup.

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
At least he was able to go on Hannity's radio show and set the record straight that this is just another example of liberal media bias and they are parsing words. Yup.

Carson was lying through his teeth. the general he supposed talked to, wasn't even in town, he was in DC playing tennis.

https://military.id.me/news/presidential-candidate-lies-about-meeting-famous-general-and-snagging-west-point-scholarship/?utm_source=SOV&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_campaign=skljdfaf

According to records of Westmoreland’s schedule that were provided by the U.S. Army, the general did not visit Detroit around Memorial Day in 1969 or have dinner with Carson. In fact, the general’s records suggest he was in Washington that day and played tennis at 6:45 p.m.

liberal bias? no, a liar caught lying? Yep.

Attack ads are always pretty rough, but this one is just brutal...




Tell us how you really feel there...

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
At least he was able to go on Hannity's radio show and set the record straight that this is just another example of liberal media bias and they are parsing words. Yup.

Carson was lying through his teeth. the general he supposed talked to, wasn't even in town, he was in DC playing tennis.

https://military.id.me/news/presidential-candidate-lies-about-meeting-famous-general-and-snagging-west-point-scholarship/?utm_source=SOV&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_campaign=skljdfaf

According to records of Westmoreland’s schedule that were provided by the U.S. Army, the general did not visit Detroit around Memorial Day in 1969 or have dinner with Carson. In fact, the general’s records suggest he was in Washington that day and played tennis at 6:45 p.m.

liberal bias? no, a liar caught lying? Yep.

Damn, everybody else was getting away with irony for the last two pages (I think Frazz missed a few there too) I thought I would be able to too. Guess I need a few more posts.

I thought the yup was good enough. Is there an irony Ork emoticon?

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
...by the way how does one go about getting new tags underneath names here? Is it just how many times one has posted?

You can make some changes in your account settings or you can become a DCM and make custom ones.

 d-usa wrote:
Attack ads are always pretty rough, but this one is just brutal...




Tell us how you really feel there...

This is the harshest political ad I think I've seen. It's up there with the George W Bush push poll attack on McCain.

But Vitter is an donkey-cave, so I'm good with it.

 Ouze wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Attack ads are always pretty rough, but this one is just brutal...




Tell us how you really feel there...

This is the harshest political ad I think I've seen. It's up there with the George W Bush push poll attack on McCain.

But Vitter is an donkey-cave, so I'm good with it.

Never underestimate the power of the Press Conference of Sin and Repentance. The people of Louisiana can handle a whoremonger, so long as he's a recovering whoremonger.

Gotta love it when a politician campaigns on how their morals are stronger than the other guy's morals....and then a few years after election they're caught sending pictures of their junk to interns, or they accidentally send a video of themselves with another woman to everyone on their phone's contacts list, or they're misusing their position for personal gain, decorating their office to look like a TV show, etc., etc.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
or they accidentally send a video of themselves with another woman to everyone on their phone's contacts list

I don't remember that one but it sounds amazingly hilarious.

IIRC to get into West Point..

1. One applies through the normal way one does a college/university
2. One applies through a sponsorship of a General Officer/Senators. Which only two candidates can be sponsored by G.O./Senator.

Westmoreland pretty big so I can see a Letter of Recommendation from him would cut the selection process to...none...get his arse in now type of induction

My Ex Wife required three Letters of Recommendations to OCS. Her company commander, Gen Kernann, and Gen Keene provided her letters. Her cute butt was sent within four months of applying

West Point is a full ride once you pass but you are committed to five yrs in the US Army. No choice in MOS's unless your like in the top 10%

I can see how Carson can see it as a full ride. I also can see it him really not knowing how its done. If Westmoreland offered him a Letter of Recommendation and as his sponsor I can see West Point taking in Carson rikitick. I do not think Carson really understood how the process is done. I also can see how the media can make the same mistake. I also see some here who really not sure how it is done. (Applies to the Citadel in Charleston South Carolina) to enter West Point.

I stopped tracking this story when both sides bolo'ed the point; counter point

 Jihadin wrote:
IIRC to get into West Point..

1. One applies through the normal way one does a college/university
2. One applies through a sponsorship of a General Officer/Senators. Which only two candidates can be sponsored by G.O./Senator.

This is generally how I understood it as well. As I understand it, there really aren't any "recruiters" going around the country looking for top prospects the way say, Nick Saban does for Alabama Football.


When I was in high school, I had to dig around for information on applying to the AFA, and ultimately never applied because I was gak at math and wasn't in a high enough level to even warrant a look

Evidently, Trump's SNL edition turned out to be pretty good for Trump (and SNL's ratings!).

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/11/08/trump-heckled-saturday-night-live----larry-david/75408018/

At least he has a good sense of humor.

I remember when SNL cranked off....and Eddie Murphey did Mr Robinson Neighberhood

 Gordon Shumway wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

 Gordon Shumway wrote:
At least he was able to go on Hannity's radio show and set the record straight that this is just another example of liberal media bias and they are parsing words. Yup.

Carson was lying through his teeth. the general he supposed talked to, wasn't even in town, he was in DC playing tennis.

https://military.id.me/news/presidential-candidate-lies-about-meeting-famous-general-and-snagging-west-point-scholarship/?utm_source=SOV&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_campaign=skljdfaf

According to records of Westmoreland’s schedule that were provided by the U.S. Army, the general did not visit Detroit around Memorial Day in 1969 or have dinner with Carson. In fact, the general’s records suggest he was in Washington that day and played tennis at 6:45 p.m.

liberal bias? no, a liar caught lying? Yep.

Damn, everybody else was getting away with irony for the last two pages (I think Frazz missed a few there too) I thought I would be able to too. Guess I need a few more posts.

Spoiler:

by the way how does one go about getting new tags underneath names here? Is it just how many times one has posted?

I thought the yup was good enough. Is there an irony Ork emoticon?

Hey don't involve me in the Carson mess. Trump is right in that, this er...he's defending saying he wanted to hit his mom with a hammer. That's just what we call ed in the head.

Sometimes moms need to have a little tap in the head with a hammer, just to get our political ducks all lined up. Speaking of hammers to the head, did anybody else paint models while watching SNL this week?. I was too distracted while the some chaos cultists to really care. They at least give me a 6+ save and a flamer template. With trump, I just get the flamer template.

Anyone watch the debate last night?

It was pretty danged good.

Rubio/Cristie/Paul/Cruz did the best...

Trump/Carson/Fiorina did "OK" and didn't hurt themselves...

Jeb! tried to be more engaging, but he always seems to fall short...

WTF Kasich is still doing? I think at a minimum, he plays kingmaker for OH delegates on who he'll support.

The only one that shinned to me is Rand Paul. Mad props for calling out all the BS these candidates are feeding people. I enjoy the fact that he knows he can't win so he is calling it like it actually is (unlike the butt vomit from Chump).

I felt Paul last night was trolling the GOP and "conservatives only in name".

Rubio was all right. Kaisch didn't say much but it wasn't dumb at least. Everybody else was pure trash. Nothing but empty pandering trash.

 BrotherGecko wrote:
Nothing but empty pandering trash.

Indeed... Normally, during a debate (both sides), my facebook feed fills up with the good, bad, and ugly comments the various candidates make.

Last night, there was only one thing talked about.... Trump being booed when he called out Carly for interrupting people.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
Nothing but empty pandering trash.

Indeed... Normally, during a debate (both sides), my facebook feed fills up with the good, bad, and ugly comments the various candidates make.

Last night, there was only one thing talked about.... Trump being booed when he called out Carly for interrupting people.

Its as if people never realized Trump is a narcissist and is incapable of understanding irony.

Honestly nothing new was discussed. You had Kasich and Paul being the only voices of conservative reason. You had Rubio trying as hard as he can to look and sound like a president in hopes people vote only on that (which they do....solid strategy). Trump still pushing his blindingly stupid ideas with out people getting sick of it. Carson attempting to hypnotize viewers because he has nothing to debate on. Fiornia who has convinced herself that she needs to out man the men and so has crossed in to idiotsville with Trump and Carson. An then there is Cruz...who makes my skin literally crawl when he talks.

Democrats have only to continue their strategy of being quiet and they should have this in the bag. Like I honestly expect the 2016 race to be Bernie vs HRC right now.

 BrotherGecko wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
Nothing but empty pandering trash.

Indeed... Normally, during a debate (both sides), my facebook feed fills up with the good, bad, and ugly comments the various candidates make.

Last night, there was only one thing talked about.... Trump being booed when he called out Carly for interrupting people.

Its as if people never realized Trump is a narcissist and is incapable of understanding irony.

Indeed... he doesn't say anything new either. I still hold that he's out by Christmas...

Honestly nothing new was discussed.

Disagree... this was the BEST debate yet because, ya know what? That actually debated policies and ideas... avoided the whole personal claptrap that the last debate formented...

You had Kasich and Paul being the only voices of conservative reason.

Paul... yes, because he wasn't talking about foreign policies... that's his albatross. (and also his "congress must review the Fed Reserver" bs).

Kaisch... they guy pushed for obamacare, want's to raise taxes, raise min-wage federally... that conservative? Dude been running on a 'center of left' platform.

You had Rubio trying as hard as he can to look and sound like a president in hopes people vote only on that (which they do....solid strategy).

He kicked arsed, and by most measures, he *won* the debate last night.Trump still pushing his blindingly stupid ideas with out people getting sick of it.

Carson attempting to hypnotize viewers because he has nothing to debate on.

Heh... he got is joke in that folks will continue to like him. But on actual policy questions... he meandered quite a bit...

Fiornia who has convinced herself that she needs to out man the men and so has crossed in to idiotsville with Trump and Carson.

Fiorina I thought did really well... but, not enough to budge the the crowd her way... she's actually the kind of candidate that gains support the more interviews/debates she does... so, don't count her out yet.

An then there is Cruz...who makes my skin literally crawl when he talks.

He does come off "smarmy" doesn't he? Here's the deal with Cruz... he has great ideas... but, he comes off as an donkey-cave. Donkeycaves may win the primary, but will absolutely lose in the General Election. Charisma is a thing... hence why obama and bill clinton won their elections. Rubio is the only one, imo, that has the charisma to challenge HRC.

Democrats have only to continue their strategy of being quiet and they should have this in the bag. Like I honestly expect the 2016 race to be Bernie vs HRC right now.

Bernie doesn't have a chance... even if he wins the Primary, he'll auto-lose.

It's really HRC's game now.

Nah, it depends on who's running against him. If it's Jeb, then, yep, he loses. If it's Trump on the other hand....

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Nah, it depends on who's running against him. If it's Jeb, then, yep, he loses. If it's Trump on the other hand....

Nah... Sanders loses to any Republican in the General Election. Hell... it'd be a repeat of the Reagan wave in the 80's.

Sanders' socialism is the same breed of U.S.S.R., Cuba, or Venezuela... not the clean, clinical Academia kind of "socialism".

He has too much baggage in this regard and that won't play well in the General.

 whembly wrote:
Sanders' socialism is the same breed of U.S.S.R., Cuba, or Venezuela... not the clean, clinical Academia kind of "socialism".

You've said some real whoppers on this thread, but this has to place in the top three.

I mean, I really don't have a response other than "go read a political science book and maybe also a history book."

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Sanders' socialism is the same breed of U.S.S.R., Cuba, or Venezuela... not the clean, clinical Academia kind of "socialism".

You've said some real whoppers on this thread, but this has to place in the top three.

I mean, I really don't have a response other than "go read a political science book and maybe also a history book."

So... what did the U.S.S.R. do to it's own people? A place with Sanders actually honeymooned there... while they were quite literally The Evil Empire™.

Cuba? Venezuela? He has a fething hard-on for those governments.

Why is that?

 whembly wrote:

Cuba? Venezuela? He has a fething hard-on for those governments.

What evidence do you have to support that statement?

 whembly wrote:

Disagree... this was the BEST debate yet because, ya know what? That actually debated policies and ideas... avoided the whole personal claptrap that the last debate formented...

Causing many of them to make incorrect statements. Rubio's welder v. philosopher comment, for instance. And Cruz's comments about his tax plan, and his comment about Obamacare exemptions for Congress.

 whembly wrote:
So... what did the U.S.S.R. do to it's own people?

Which has what to do with what, exactly?

A place with Sanders actually honeymooned there...

You mean that trip he took with a delegation while he was mayor of Burlington, VT after he was married that some conservative journalist tried to spin into Sanders being pro-gulag?

while they were quite literally The Evil Empire™.

This is where the "read a history book" line comes into play. The USSR was very much in the process of completely falling apart by 1988 (remember, the Soviet Union completely dissolved in 1991). Your Lord and Savior, Ronald Regan spoke in Red Square in 1988 as well (it was actually his fourth time visiting the USSR). Also, during the trip Regan was asked by a journalist if he still thought that the USSR was an "evil empire," to which he replied, "No. I was talking about another time, another era."

Cuba? Venezuela? He has a fething hard-on for those governments.

Based on what, exactly? Because he was critical of how Latin America was treated in the 1980s? When we were overthrowing governments just for the hell of it?

Why is that?

You tell me because you seem to be the one that thinks it.

 dogma wrote:

Causing many of them to make incorrect statements. Rubio's welder v. philosopher comment, for instance.

That was accurate... critics thought they heard philosopher professor... which Rubio didn't say.

And Cruz's comments about his tax plan,

It was fine... not sure I'd agree with the amount of "growth" he claims.

and his comment about Obamacare exemptions for Congress.

So you don't think Obamacare won't be fixed faster had Congressional critters had to purchase insurance from the exchange, like everybody else?

 whembly wrote:

 dogma wrote:

Causing many of them to make incorrect statements. Rubio's welder v. philosopher comment, for instance.

That was accurate... critics thought they heard philosopher professor... which Rubio didn't say.

Well, it depends on what data you use to compare the two fields. Welders can make good money in relation to their overall level of higher education, but you won't be rich by a damn sight (unfortunately).

Also, what you weld and where you weld it makes a huge difference in what you're paid.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:

 whembly wrote:

Why is that?

You tell me because you seem to be the one that thinks it.

I am not talking about the pie-in-the-sky, non-existent brand of socialism that is embraced by the left, but the real socialism practiced in the real world. The one that enslaves people, that poisons their cultures, that murders them for disobedience or sometimes, simply for mere convenience. Those are the hard facts in those countries that Sanders (many Democrats for that matter) willfully turn a blind eye on because it isn't the "real socialism" as described in their textbooks.

So let's give it a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaance.

Funny enough, he sometimes forget that this isn't the 70's anymore and the scandinavian countries are NOT the socialist countries he believes they are... but, forgive him 'cuz he's totes kewl!