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Seems like we're getting leaks for the rules now, I wonder how long till we get the ork ones, very keen to see what sort of stuff we get.

The leak come from "sanctioned" 10th edition games. So far it has been daemons vs DG and IG vs eldar. Hopefully there will be an ork game soon.

Doubt it. Is there other events like this soon?

If rumours right 15th we'll get xenos datasheets so bit over week

We already know that there are Warhammer+ and Twitch games scheduled with 10th edition rules.

No wolves on Fenris wrote:
Just a quick question about Ghaz. As shocked as we all were about his drop in Toughness is it now feasible that with the infantry keyword he will be eligible to be “healed” by a pain boy?

My best guess would be no because ghaz wouldn't take damage until he's the last model in a squad anyways and it's highly likely the painboy only applies effects to the unit vs an aura. In the situation where someone uses the precision on him to do damage maybe, but I'm guessing painboys will be considered leaders so probs won't be able to take him in the same squad as ghaz.

Or is hit by precice. Heal would be handy if you face eldrad plus farseer combl. Otherwise dead in 2 turns virtually quaranteed. If he wants almost everytime can if want literally decide "you take 6mw" no roll needed.

 flaming tadpole wrote:

No wolves on Fenris wrote:
Just a quick question about Ghaz. As shocked as we all were about his drop in Toughness is it now feasible that with the infantry keyword he will be eligible to be “healed” by a pain boy?

My best guess would be no because ghaz wouldn't take damage until he's the last model in a squad anyways and it's highly likely the painboy only applies effects to the unit vs an aura. In the situation where someone uses the precision on him to do damage maybe, but I'm guessing painboys will be considered leaders so probs won't be able to take him in the same squad as ghaz.

DG Plague Surgeon revives his own squad and can hear models from any unit within 3".

Hmm maybe there’s hope then. I guess maybe painboss will have the aura and painboy will be more of a unit upgrade sorta thing

I hope painboy/painboss dont count as characters, and just unit upgrades

Tittliewinks22 wrote:
I hope painboy/painboss dont count as characters, and just unit upgrades

Doubt it. They haven't been a unit upgrade since 4th/5th edition, and especially with them being separate clampacks, it's extremely unlikely they won't be allowed to join most Ork infantry units.

I just hope they don't make painboyz nobz-only. DG leaders are extremely limited in what they can join.

Yeah I'd be disappointed if I can't attach a painboy to a group of 30 Boyz. Well, assuming we can still do 30 Boyz.

 Jidmah wrote:
I just hope they don't make painboyz nobz-only. DG leaders are extremely limited in what they can join.

Yeah that would suck, since that would be contingent on Nobz actually being good this edition which I kinda doubt given GW's track record with them. Ideally the list of joinable units for Painboyz would be:

- Boyz
- Nobz
- Meganobz
- Flash Gitz
- Lootas/Burna Boyz

Painbosses being able to join the above units alongside:

- Beast Snagga Boyz
- Squighog Riderz



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 The Red Hobbit wrote:
Yeah I'd be disappointed if I can't attach a painboy to a group of 30 Boyz. Well, assuming we can still do 30 Boyz.

After what we've seen happen to gaunts in the previews and now guard being able to have up to 20 models in an infantry squad, I have a bad feeling this might be the new trend for this edition.

Why would painboss have the FNP aura when snaggas already have 6+ FNP?

 Grimskul wrote:

After what we've seen happen to gaunts in the previews and now guard being able to have up to 20 models in an infantry squad, I have a bad feeling this might be the new trend for this edition.

Yea and GW did say in the ork preview

"This is fun on a big mob that’ll roll lots of dice, like a squad of 20 Boyz or a Hunta Rig bristling with sawblades and Butcha Boyz. More dice means more 6s, which means more killy. That’s how you really get stuck in."

 MannyMcCoconut wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:

After what we've seen happen to gaunts in the previews and now guard being able to have up to 20 models in an infantry squad, I have a bad feeling this might be the new trend for this edition.

Yea and GW did say in the ork preview

"This is fun on a big mob that’ll roll lots of dice, like a squad of 20 Boyz or a Hunta Rig bristling with sawblades and Butcha Boyz. More dice means more 6s, which means more killy. That’s how you really get stuck in."

To continue picking up crumbs, the weird boys' 'eadbanger also ends up with S10 5dmg with a mob of 20 which feels a lot more like something GW would do than giving him a S12 7dmg shot.

That said, I'm not sad to see mobs of 30 go. They were unwieldy anyways and until 8th no one really ever ran them because of that. With the new blast rules and very limited second row fighting, 3x 20 would probably superior to 3x 20 anyways.

I think it will be mobs of 20 also but do you think it will be 2 nobs in 20 or 1? Seems like 2 but that is going to feel a little weird.

Boosykes wrote:
I think it will be mobs of 20 also but do you think it will be 2 nobs in 20 or 1? Seems like 2 but that is going to feel a little weird.

Based on how GW is going by plastic kits and how it's built more than anything else and how the guardsmen squads have 2 sergeants in a squad of 20 from the previews, I would say we get 2 Nobz.


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 TedNugent wrote:
Why would painboss have the FNP aura when snaggas already have 6+ FNP?

Maybe they boost their FNP to a 5+ instead?

Brb says FNP is either-or. I'm not sure if there's a mechanism for that to stack, and it'd defeat the entire purpose of bringing back USRs.

 TedNugent wrote:
Brb says FNP is either-or. I'm not sure if there's a mechanism for that to stack, and it'd defeat the entire purpose of bringing back USRs.

It's possible they just give out a 5+ FNP aura instead baseline, so you would choose to use that over the 6+ FNP they have.

GW has released relevant keywords in their filters in the shop.

You can now filter for things like infiltrator/character etc, it gives an idea of what keywords were given to who.

Has an example, greetchin are not battleline, only boyz and snagga boyz are.

deffkilla wartrike is a leader.. so on


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also squigboyz and warbikes, nobz on smash squig are considered mounted, funny enough wartrike is mounted but beast boss on squig isn't for some reason mabe mistake since thraka is still under monsters

It's worth noting that while those keywords are an indicator, they are also a mess right now and GW is constantly changing them as proven on multiple screenshots.

Yeah, you might be right, meganobz seem to have lost deep strike keyword... but marines termies still have it. we will have to wait for the 15.

I don't think meganobz have ever had deepstrike natively. They only got their mitts on it through other units like weirdboyz or stratagems.

I find it odd that zagstrukk isn't in deepstrike and Snikrot isn't in infiltrators.

Forceride wrote:
Yeah, you might be right, meganobz seem to have lost deep strike keyword... but marines termies still have it. we will have to wait for the 15.

when did they ever have deepstrike?

Beardedragon wrote:

Forceride wrote:
Yeah, you might be right, meganobz seem to have lost deep strike keyword... but marines termies still have it. we will have to wait for the 15.

when did they ever have deepstrike?

Assumption since i am from the understanding telyporta stratagem no longer exists? since we can't use it, they would at least have deepstrike or something? But i guess you might be right.
It is still too soon but i am hoping we have tools to be mobile, so far, da jump is not a good one. And movement wins games.

Btw for the people talking about the boyz max squad size, the ork patrol has 20 boyz and the warboss in mega armor. they did mention they would balance around them. Still is speculation though.

From what ever data there is out there, I think people should be ready for Orks to suck pretty bad in 10th.
In 9th it took them 2 years to make orks somewhat turnament worthy.
10th is making melee worse and Orks seem to ony have damage in melee. All Ork characters will (I think) loose thoughness, Ghaz is T6 to fit in with meganobs, Warbosses will be T5 ect. It´s gonna be pretty bad. Remember the 1cp strat where your character gets presission...

I think it would be best to wait for the Index before we start passing judgement on how Orks will do. Only a week away at this point.

Our melee will probably be a bit worse, but our shooting should be marginally to considerably better depending on if our rokkits, deffguns, and snazzguns are heavy or not. 🤞

Tarp wrote:
From what ever data there is out there, I think people should be ready for Orks to suck pretty bad in 10th.
In 9th it took them 2 years to make orks somewhat turnament worthy.
10th is making melee worse and Orks seem to ony have damage in melee. All Ork characters will (I think) loose thoughness, Ghaz is T6 to fit in with meganobs, Warbosses will be T5 ect. It´s gonna be pretty bad. Remember the 1cp strat where your character gets presission...

It is worth noting that the people who managed to make orks tournament worthy are the same ones who designed 10th, instead of the clowns who wrote 9th edition's codex.

In essence you are just crying about the sky falling without any knowledge whatsoever to back up your claims.