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Made in us
Myrmidon Officer





NC

http://www.lanzanos.com/proyectos/heroquest-25-aniversario/necesidades/

Stretch Goals:
Spoiler:






We present to you a new tribute game to the memorable HEROQUEST board game on the occasion of its 25th anniversary. In this new edition you will find new illustrations, new miniatures, new cards, a new board... All contents are new and fresh, to the highest possible standards as to pay a suitable tribute to the game that marked an era.

Introduction

We are not saying anything new if we say that there was a 'before' and an 'after' in our lives with HeroQuest. You have read it put in many ways, but all of them have the same roots in dreams, thanksgiving and nostalgia in common.

Months ago, a partner of mine shared a link which led to a change.org petition. It was, at least, a wholehearted petition, but hiding an urge that, surprisingly enough, many of us shared without knowing: a conmemorative edition was demanded for to celebrate its 25th anniversary.

When I talked about it with a friend, he made me understand that the petition was really open, not focused to a single company. It was a petition made mainly to two big fishes, but open to any third party. It was practically as if someone had put up a challenge. And what we did at GameZone was to accept it.

After that came weeks of studying the legal aspects of the matter and getting in touch with people who could allow us to face this project. We quickly knew that no big fish was going to undertake this endeavour. It was complicated, costly and there was not enough time. Big companies have to plan their strategies with plenty of time, and none of them had announced anything nor planned to. The time left to get it done was simply too little. But not for a small fish.

We could react in time and focus all our efforts in the development of this commemorative edition. It was now or never. Or we got to the task right away, or no one would. And there would be no HeroQuest 25th Anniversary Edition.

The time lapse we have to achieve our goal is small, but enough for us. With the fundings raised thanks to this crowdfunding initiative we will be able to end the creative stage and prototypes, so we can start producing the actual components by early 2014. We have the knowledge and the tools, not the funds. The money we now ask for.

With the right funding this HeroQuest 25th Anniversary Edition will see the light just in time for next year Christmas time, fulfilling the desires of countless fans, among which we are included.

LET'S GIVE THIS CLASSIC THE TRIBUTE IT DESERVES



~ HEROQUEST 25th ANNIVERSARY ~










Previous Thread on the prior attempts at the project:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/552708.page

This message was edited 20 times. Last update was at 2014/02/13 23:03:44


 
   
Made in gb
Fixture of Dakka




UK

Well at least interest means there are a load of original sets on ebay at the moment.....

 
   
Made in ie
Longtime Dakkanaut






I had quick look through Lanzanos when they mentioned this a few days ago the FAQ is in Spanish and I ran it through google translate but it seems be saying that the money is taken as soon as the project reaches it's funding goal not at the end of the project and if you pledge after the funding goal is met the money is taken striaght away - so just be aware of this if you are pledging once your in your in.

When did you actually make the payment?

The payment will be done automatically when the project reaches its economic objective. Otherwise no payment will be made. If the project has already achieved 100% funding and is supported by a patron, a patron told him directly charged.

How a creative cobra the size of your project when it reaches 100%?


When a project reaches 100% of the stipulated funding are charged to all patrons. We must bear in mind that at first has preauthorized credit card and Paypal for all patrons. But at the time of making the charges to cards paypal or how to prevent incidents operation-no balance in the account, the card has expired may arise, has been removed from ... -. When a project reaches 100% charge is released to all patrons. The charges to patrons do once they arrived at 100% will be charged immediately. If the patron has paid via Paypal, the payment will go directly to the mind of the creator of the project, having previously subtracted Paypal fee and commission Lánzanos. If the patron has paid via credit card, the charge will go to the bank account Lánzanos, where it will remain until the project is completed on time and close. At the time of closing Lánzanos make a bank transfer for the support credit card Lánzanos subtracting the commission and the Bank. When a project is considered complete? 10 days after when it has reached the end of the project deadline. Why? As explained in the operation may be a% of the votes at the time of collecting have given error immediately Lánzanos write these patrons to make effective support. We left 10 days to do so because once the project is closed and no more support allows any vouchers nor validate that the project may have.

At all times the author of the project within your project file in the My Support section can export data from their patrons and know the status of payment is (preauthorized, charged, error recovery, payment voucher)



As I say that's google translate (hence the cobra?) hopefully someone with proper Spanish will check and confirm or amend what I said above.

The project doesn't go live straight away 100 people have to vote for it in the box section first.

Lanzanos accepts Paypal.

I'll follow with interest but I can't see myself tying up €100+ in this project given it's recent troubles.

This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2013/12/23 13:10:56


 
   
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Blood-Drenched Death Company Marine





Redmond, WA

What's keeping this from the exact same fate as before?

 
   
Made in us
Longtime Dakkanaut





New Jersey, USA

 Absolutionis wrote:
The other thread was closed down. Rather than reopening those two chapters of the book, let's open a new one:

According to GameZone's Twitter:
https://twitter.com/GamezoneMiniatu

HeroQuest 25th Anniversary Edition will be being rerelaunched on crowdfunding site Lanzanos December 23rd at 1700h Spain time (11:00am US East Coast time).

Lunes 23 diciembre 17:00h (hora española): inicio de la campaña de #Heroquest 25 Aniversario #HQ25TH en http://lanzanos.com

https://twitter.com/GamezoneMiniatu/status/414810253851496448

My Spanish is limited to online translators, correct me if I'm misinterpreting anything.

Let's keep the armchair lawyering to a minimum, please.


Interesting... So rather then solve the problems keeping them from launching on one of the well known crowd funding platforms they decide instead to more and more obscure platforms.
   
Made in gb
Fixture of Dakka




UK

Luck ?

A funding site that has actually been told of the issues before they launch ?

They should be OK with a Spanish funding site since they do have the Spanish IP,

I suspect the reason the last campaign was pulled was more to do with them not telling the funding site what they were potentially getting into

 
   
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The Great Marsh

Third time's the charm

Good luck, those of you who are going in for it.

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Made in us
Veteran Inquisitorial Tyranid Xenokiller





Va

This is turning into a bad joke. I want a new heroquest as much as the next guy, but you'd have to be really hard up for it to back this project after all the nonsense that has been surrounding it.

Good luck I suppose, I have a feeling its gonna need it.

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Haughty Harad Serpent Rider





Richmond, VA

I'll be (re)backing. Some of the finest figures in my collection are Gamezone, and Gamezone customer service has always been excellent at handling any issues I may have (shout outs to Cristina and Isabel) - in fact just a few days ago they added some freebies to a direct order because there was a delay sending it. I also specifically want a high quality replacement set for HeroQuest, and I specifically want to give my money to Gamezone to do it as I doubt anyone else in the world* could pull off the quality that I desire in a remake.

* well, other than Mierce or Avatars of War, but they are both in the midst of fulfilling their own crowdfunding campaigns.

"...and special thanks to Judgedoug!" - Alessio Cavatore "Now you've gone too far Doug! ... Too far... " - Rick Priestley "I've decided that I'd rather not have you as a member of TMP." - Editor, The Miniatures Page "I'd rather put my testicles through a mangle than spend any time gaming with you." - Richard, TooFatLardies "We need a Doug Craig in every store." - Warlord Games 
   
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The Great Marsh

From the Spanish posters commenting in the last thread, I got the impression that GameZone is now a one-man operation (outsourcing sculpting). Are you sure Cristina and Isabel still work there?

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Haughty Harad Serpent Rider





Richmond, VA

 RiTides wrote:
From the Spanish posters commenting in the last thread, I got the impression that GameZone is now a one-man operation (outsourcing sculpting). Are you sure Cristina and Isabel still work there?


I'm pretty sure Gamezone has always been a few people and they've always outsourced sculpting to a handful of Spanish sculptors. AFAIK the guy that owns Gamezone owns a company that does molding and casting for other miniatures companies in Spain/Europe, and "Gamezone" is the branding for his own product line. One of the big deals for the plastic Dark and High Elves that Gamezone has been releasing are actually made locally in that workshop, in Spain, not from a Chinese factory.

But to answer your question, both Isabel and Cristina work there as of last Thursday. Here's a response from then (cut out some personal information bits)

The spam reference is (actually if you read my last post on the Deadzone thread I mentioned this) my email address has been spoofed and used to send out junk mail so I've become blacklisted and causing it to not go through (has happened to Mantic, Avatars of War, and Gamezone among other friends and companies), which is what the first part of this email addresses.

I had asked a couple questions - regarding the crowdfunding and also the different in stock levels between their German distributor and their homebase in Spain, as the plastic Dark Elves and the just released plastic High Elves keep selling out and I'd like to get more but I have to keep jumping between distributors (gamezoneminiatures.de, e-minis.net, waylandgames.co.uk, etc) to try to find one place that has all the stuff in stock at once so I'm not ordering a few items each from several places, so I wound up ordering directly from them.

Anyone can email Gamezone and ask them any questions http://www.gamezoneminiatures.com/tienda/es/contactenos


Gamezone Miniatures
Dec 19 (4 days ago)

to me

Hi Douglas

For some strange reason your emails were being rejected as spam. We're checking our emails and we determined that none of your posts have been answered. Sorry for that.

Although big delay, I will try to answer you, using a single email to all your questions.

This summer we are in a big gap production trying to meet commissions from other miniatures companies in our workshop. This brought us stockouts on our official distributors. This was already solved. Next week our fellows on Germany will receive items enough. Resin requests exceeded our expectations.

[SNIP personal info, stock levels, etc]

To compensate you, please, let us send to you a gift.

And finally, about HQ25, the game who seems cursed, next weekend we'll reload the campaign in a Spanish crowdfunding site, www.lanzanos.com

This time, hopefully without interruption. We're matching our creative schedule and I know that next week we also receive three new machines to reinforce our production capacity, in order to HQ25.

Thank your for your patience and excuse my poor English.

Un saludo.

Isabel.


The followup conversation was about shipping times etc then it turned to VAT questions so Cristina took over, as there's a lower limit to exclude VAT from international orders and I wanted to know the line (when your order reaches that you automatically get a voucher code for the amount on their website which you enter in and it removes the VAT)


Gamezone Miniatures
Dec 19 (4 days ago)

to me

Devolvemos el iva(VAT) SI EL PEDIDO ES COMO MÍNIMO 90.15€ COMO MARCA LA LEY.

Gracias
Cristina
Gamezone


From: Douglas Craig
Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 7:32 PM
To: Comercial Gamezoneminiatures


to Gamezone
Hi Cristina & Gamezone,

Is that 90.15 total for items including VAT or 90.15 for items with VAT included?

Thanks!
Doug


Comercial Gamezoneminiatures
Dec 19 (4 days ago)

to me

Items on gamezoneminiatures.com are VAT included.
Red line to exclude VAT is any order over 90.15€ (without shipping),

Gracias
Cristina
Gamezone


and so on.

"...and special thanks to Judgedoug!" - Alessio Cavatore "Now you've gone too far Doug! ... Too far... " - Rick Priestley "I've decided that I'd rather not have you as a member of TMP." - Editor, The Miniatures Page "I'd rather put my testicles through a mangle than spend any time gaming with you." - Richard, TooFatLardies "We need a Doug Craig in every store." - Warlord Games 
   
Made in gb
Twisting Tzeentch Horror




Well, it's up and running on the new site http://www.lanzanos.com/proyectos/heroquest-25-aniversario/necesidades/

Currently 22% funded at 13191€ of 58000€

DS:80S++G++MB+I+Pw40k92/f#+D+A++/areWD156R++T(R)DM+ 
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut





New Jersey, USA

prankster wrote:
Well, it's up and running on the new site http://www.lanzanos.com/proyectos/heroquest-25-aniversario/necesidades/

Currently 22% funded at 13191€ of 58000€


An no mention of their other attempts to crowd fund the project...


 
   
Made in us
Myrmidon Officer





NC

It's rather odd that the image they're showing for the stretch goals has everything up to 68,000euro unlocked despite the project having little more than 15,000euro pledged. I guess they're continuing the previous project's "unlocks", but this would be confusing for a newcomer.
   
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Changing Our Legion's Name



Pittsburgh, PA

They said in the description that they were going to keep all of the stretch goals that were unlocked from the prior kickstarter campaign, to reward the loyalty of prior backers, and every new stretch goal will be in 10k increments from here on out.
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut





New Jersey, USA

Copied over from BGG


txapo wrote:

In the risk sections in spanish theres this jewel:
"Hay un tercer riesgo que no fuimos capaces de prever: un sector del hobby se opone a este proyecto. Aunque la mayor parte se fundamenta en elaboradas desinformaciones, no es menos real que algunos aficionados han preferido posicionarse activamente contra el proyecto, incluso boicotearlo. Es absolutamente descorazonador contemplar estas posturas desde nuestra posición, con datos veraces y toda la información en nuestras manos. Somos conscientes de que su influencia es grande, pero no lo suficiente como para incapacitar al proyecto. Es más, esperamos que vayan viendo lo que hacemos para que cambien su postura y, en último caso, que cuando vean físicamente el juego finalmente sean unos clientes más.

My try on a non-literal translation:

There is a third risk that we weren't able to anticipate: part of the hobby is against this project. While most [of this opposition] is based on elaborate disinformation, it's no less real that some boardgame fans have chosen to actively stand against the project, and even to boycott it. From our point of view, it's totally disheartening to see these things happen while we have all the information and accurate data about the [viability of the] project.

We know that their influence is strong, but not enough to stop our project. Moreover, we hope that after they see our ongoing work, they will eventually change their minds and become our clients once the game is released.


 
   
Made in au
Courageous Space Marine Captain





Melbourne .au

If this iteration of the campaign fails (again), hopefully the thread can be moved to somewhere appropriate like Dakka Discussions so the pertinent discussion may continue instead of being locked this time...

I for one am not boycotting the project - I hope it succeeds so I can buy it from retail - but at this point and after this amount of shenanigans I don't trust it/GZ enough to back it.

   
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I'll probably back this one at the last moment. I like what GZ is trying to do and if it goes sideways...well, I've spent $100 for a night out a fair bit in my single days and all I had to show for it was a raging hangover and the occasional black eye. This will make for good entertainment if nothing else and I'd probably rather have nothing than 2 copies of Sedition Wars.
   
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Longtime Dakkanaut





New Jersey, USA

 Azazelx wrote:
If this iteration of the campaign fails (again), hopefully the thread can be moved to somewhere appropriate like Dakka Discussions so the pertinent discussion may continue instead of being locked this time...

I for one am not boycotting the project - I hope it succeeds so I can buy it from retail - but at this point and after this amount of shenanigans I don't trust it/GZ enough to back it.


I'm in the same boat, I really want a new version of Heroquest and I'd be a huge suporter of their crowdfunding if they went through the right channels. As it stands now if they game every gets a retail release I'll probably pick it up.


 
   
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Haughty Harad Serpent Rider





Richmond, VA

I like that the campaign includes this text

"This Heroquest version is a tribute remake of the original game to commemorate its 25th anniversary. All illustrations, board, miniatures, rules and any other components are brand new and property of Gamezone Miniatures."

and speaking of which, is it possible to have this thread moderated so it's only actual news, and have a separate Discussion thread for people who want to talk about things not related specifically to the crowdfunding campaign?

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Grizzled MkII Monster Veteran




Toronto, Ontario

I'm with you guys. Love me some HeroQuest, glad I've got the original box in the den to pull out from time to time when we just want to play a fairly simple dungeon crawler and happen to have 5 people (a rarity, but it happens), but at this point I think I'll just wait for retail/online ordering and buy it at the end of next year/early 2015/whenever it's actually sitting on shelves.
   
Made in ie
Longtime Dakkanaut






I see they've disabled the comments page on the project (it's available on other projects)
   
Made in es
Martial Arts SAS





Pamplona, Spain

I'll think about pledging or not in about... 47 days.


 
   
Made in us
Regular Dakkanaut




It looks like they don't have the trademark rights to distribute to me in the US. Oh well, I guess I'll have to pick it up next time I'm in Spain.
   
Made in us
Stalwart Veteran Guard Sergeant






This is pretty rad, but where's my Warhammer Quest re-launch?
   
Made in gb
Fixture of Dakka




UK

This is an interesting bit about the shipping costs

Shipping will be tracked and signed for on delivery. Prices in the chart are illustrative only, but we keep working to offer you the best service. These prices are, in the worst case, the highest possible.


We turn your shipping costs into a gift voucher that you will be able to redeem for goods. Thus, the shipping cost becomes a direct discount in your next purchase at the Heroquest online store, which will open on Christmas next year, and you will be able to redeem it from then on. This way you will convert a painful expense into something practical.

so in theory it looks like you'll be able to offset the postage against more heroquest stuff later (but I bet you won't be able to use it for postage for that either)

 
   
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[MOD]
Friendly Peat Beast






The Great Marsh

Lol Orlando... it's a cycle!

They should probably just pick a rate and stick to it- generating a unique gift voucher for a different amount for each backer sounds like a logistical nightmare they haven't shown themselves capable of handling... and to use in an online store that doesn't yet exist, to boot!

Unless I'm misunderstanding- are they instead saying they'll credit the full shipping amount to future online purchases, regardless of what they pay in shipping? That doesn't seem to make sense... and is still selling something that doesn't yet even have a concept. If they were going to credit everyone such a high amount, why not just reduce the shipping cost?

Regardless, I wouldn't count on being able to use it without, as Orlando says, paying even more for shipping new items... so that means shipping is over $50 here.

 DaveC wrote:
I see they've disabled the comments page on the project (it's available on other projects)

Well, that makes sense, but will definitely cut down on "buzz".

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My bet is within days of this closing, there will be an announcement of a name change, at least for an export version. Once all the cash is collected, it doesn't make any sense not to remove the potential legal obstacle with the name.
   
Made in us
Longtime Dakkanaut




Ahmanagonna repost what I said on BGG...

AFAIK, GZ *stil* has no legal document saying that Hasbro won't sue or otherwise go after them. So, even if Hasbro is in the wrong, they can not only tie up the game in the United States legal system, but GZ does not have enough *money* to resist a Hasbro C&D *even if it is wrong*. GZ might be able to get away with shipping a components-only product to USA backers, but GZ could also decide to use HQ money for legal fees, affecting even their domestic backers.

MYTH had a legal challenge from EA in July, a little over two months after the project ended, for a cosmetic change (the logo). MERCS, the MYTH creators, complied. AFAIK, *Nobody* saw this coming, and luckily it was done before game boxes et al. were printed.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1700755582/myth-0/posts/527334

The Up Front and Airborne in Your Pocket KSs show that *any* challenge that reaches the court, even if it's from a single person (who's willing to pay), can tie up a KS for over a year. AIYP ended September, 2012, Up Front ended January 2013, and the court case is still going. The challenge is regarding a personal debt owned by the creators, not about game IP issues.

But, after MYTH, the only thing that's clear is that it's never clear. MERCS is a small but experienced game company, had no IP issues, yet got hit with a C&D by a "big dog" company for an issue nobody anticipated. We already know a number of scenarios that can happen to the GZ HQ25 project, yet it may be something else that hits them. Conversely, we knew a possible scenario that could happen with Up Front and AIYP, and it happened.

KS is not a store. As much as we keep talking about HQ25 made at all, there *is* the possibility it will be made, but the funds for it will be tied up for a *long* time. HeroQuest has *plenty* of anniversary dates!

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What are you, some kind of permanent "victim class". Grow up. - D.R. 
   
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On an Express Elevator to Hell!!

Great to see this is running again, although it's going to be another one of those 'pledge and then forget about it for 6 months' things! Hopefully it will be a game for next Xmas

Disappointed with the shipping costs but will be interesting if credit from that can be used in the Gamezone store..


 
   
 
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