New tyranid model shown/new pics on page 16

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**ShumaGorath**

JD21290 wrote:Chances are the only pics you will see before advanced orders will be leaked ones.
GW tends to keep everything in the dark, which does nothing for them really.

It does about as much as early release photos "leaked out". You don't really drum up enthusiasm in a relatively captive audience for a subculture product with no broad appeal outside of that audience. You see "leaks" in areas of business with competition and a less static userbase like movies or videogames, games workshop doesn't have the right customer base for leaks to be productive or detrimental.

No, I will not be thankful that for the fact that the only info or pictures we have from the new codex for far are these grainy pics. Any decent company would have start ramping up the marketing for this release already.

Or they have a captive audience and do virtually no actual marketing what so ever as it is. "leaking photos" does little but supplicate (or enrage) a random small population utilizing the internet to find early photos of their plastic men hobby. I wouldn't mind some leaked photos, but leaked rumors based in rules tend to just get out of hand and damage peoples perception of forthcoming products (not that they don't damage themselves upon release anyway).

I'm glad to hear that the raveners will get a plstic multipart kit. The metals were great, but they weren't all that workable, and I loved the models.

**Lukus83**

Just spotted: The new battleforce is on GW website.

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Oh and bitz sprues are now available...never noticed them before.

**H.B.M.C.**

And just spotted that the Carnifex on the front of the Battleforce is nowhere to be seen within the Battleforce.

Bit odd don't'cha think?

**Lukus83**

Well, it was said that there wasn't going to be a fex in the new box. Though could be for 1 of several reasons:

1. GW don't want players to make savings on fexes...they just want us to buy more.
2. Nid's are going to be more of a swarm army and fexes won't be so important to a list.
3. GW reckon everyone has enough fexes already but not enough gaunts.

Actually all 3 seem to link together in a warped GW kind of way.

**BrassScorpion**

The Chaos Marine Battleforce has Terminators on the front yet there are none in the box. Battleforces have Codex cover art on them, but there is not necessarily a relation between the cover art and the box contents of the Battleforces.

**LunaHound**

H.B.M.C. wrote:And just spotted that the Carnifex on the front of the Battleforce is nowhere to be seen within the Battleforce.

Bit odd don't'cha think?

Thats what i said! but then people calls me heresy !

**Kanluwen**

BrassScorpion wrote:The Chaos Marine Battleforce has Terminators on the front yet there are none in the box. Battleforces have Codex cover art on them, but there is not necessarily a relation between the cover art and the box contents of the Battleforces.

Amazing thing to consider, isn't it?

I mean, my Cadian Battleforce I have sitting next to me has a veritable tide of humanity and armour, alongside a massive Lander on the front.

Where's my Lander and my veritable tide of humanity and armoured vehicles?!

They use the Codex art as an easier way for people to identify which battleforce goes with which codex. So I've heard at least.

**ShumaGorath**

1. GW don't want players to make savings on fexes...they just want us to buy more.
2. Nid's are going to be more of a swarm army and fexes won't be so important to a list.
3. GW reckon everyone has enough fexes already but not enough gaunts.

Number 1 wouldn't make much sense as they don't lose or save money based on incremental box savings. They lose the same amount equal to whatever the box price discount is no matter what actually comes inside of the box. Two and three seem more likely, though since these boxes are purchased by new players or people starting new armies they don't really logically have many carnifexes yet.

My guess is that the carni couldn't have a cut down sprue for the new box, or that as you said, they're going for a more swarmy army.

And just spotted that the Carnifex on the front of the Battleforce is nowhere to be seen within the Battleforce.

Bit odd don't'cha think?

The guns on the russ box are upside down. Box covers are just meant to look cool, "package contents" are the actual contents.

**H.B.M.C.**

ShumaGorath wrote:My guess is that the carni couldn't have a cut down sprue for the new box

That's always possible... but then they've gone and added 4 more Gaunt sprues. Granted, they're smaller, but they're not that much smaller.

ShumaGorath wrote:...or that as you said, they're going for a more swarmy army.

Well 'Nidzilla was the last Codex. They've swinging that pendulum away from that and to swarms, so the contents make sense. I'm saying the cover does not.

Box covers are just meant to look cool, "package contents" are the actual contents.

But the 'Fex on this cover is so prominent. So central. To me it's no different to a Guard Battleforce having artwork of a squadron of three Leman Russes, but having no tank inside. I'm not going to say it's 'false advertising' or even that the artwork on the should act as a 'contents' for the product, but it'd be nice if they had something to do with one another.

**ShumaGorath**

t the 'Fex on this cover is so prominent. So central. To me it's no different to a Guard Battleforce having artwork of a squadron of three Leman Russes, but having no tank inside. I'm not going to say it's 'false advertising' or even that the artwork on the should act as a 'contents' for the product, but it'd be nice if they had something to do with one another.

Thats why the back and sides have pictures of the assembled contents. The fronts just for reconcilability on a tall store shelf. People will pull it down and look at the back for the real bits.

**Fateweaver**

NAVARRO wrote:I remember when the current nid edition was on the pipe, there was lots of infos about models and rules to keep bug fans busy and pumped up with antecipation, we took part on digging lots of infos and the internet was boiling with nid news and interest... Some of you were probably not here and so you cannot make a educated comparison between GW then and now.

Lets just say that today the interest is so low that I cannot be arsed to even dig anything anymore...

Yet I would like to say that I understand people expressing that their lack of interest is relationated with GW silence and I cannot understand the point of you Fateweaver constantly antagonizing people everytime anyone says something they dont like about GW... Since you admire GW silence why dont you do everyone a favour and follow that example.

You could also get your lazy finger to click the "Ignore" button. You spent all the energy typing up that attack on me but can't hit "ignore?" Wow.

Again, I say not everybody wants to know every rule from every codex 6 months out. It might make some people want the codex and models more but it might also make them want the codex and models less. Yeah I don't have to read threads titled "X codex rumors" but neither do you have to read the same thread since according to you "lack of info is bs."

If I can ignore a thread so can you. If you are allowed to post displeasure at not knowing 90% of a codex 3 months out then I am allowed to post why I am happy NOT knowing 90% of a codex 3 months out. Elementary, Dear Navarro.

**NAVARRO**

Your assumptions dont make any kind of sense, yet... I still hope you will leave that cocoon one day... reason why I dont ignore anyone.

On this thread about " new models" people complain about lack of "new models" leaks and you complain about "people behaviour"... its ok as long as you dont constantly get snotty with everyone... Dont take it like a attack, take it like a observation because your points not only are offtopic but also compromise everyones respect towards your future posts.
Take it or leave it I will not mention it again since in order for you to understand I had to behave like you.

On topic
I still think raveners instead of warriors or Gargs instead extra gaunts would still maintain the swarm appeal and give some appeal to the Nid collectors.
I see the cover artwork more like a tie with the codex, often new nid players will get the box and codex at same time making this more effective to identify ( even if the content isnt exactly like artwork).
The deal is not bad, but like the new bugs so far, it could have been so much better.

**twistinthunder**

jamunition wrote:Why do we all think it is a tyrgon?

It may be a scythed hirodule.

eerrr maybe its because it IS a trygon especially when leaked pictures and i ve just told you its in the black box many people from warseer have confirmed and a member called bramgaunt over there just gave us a load of info seriously dude check other sites!

**JD21290**

To be honest here, Nids used to be a swarm army.
By changing the force and tweaking gaunt rules me thinks thats the way they are heading with this.
However, the trygon/maw have just reinforced the zilla builds, so im not sure what GW are up to.

My guess though would be trying to bring the nids into more of a swarm based style, rather than big hitters.
Hence why the plastic gargs are out, as are the ravs, new gaunt box's.

to be honest, i like what GW have done so far, and thier plastic kits are just getting better.
Im happy with whats out so far, so if they can keep the dex gak free and without many mistakes it wouldnt be bad

**skrulnik**

Why do the latest Battleforces/Battalions have no new non-troop/core models?

Skaven Battalion- Only Clanrats are new. Where are the StormVermin?

Tyranid Battleforce- Gaunts are recuts, maybe Warriors as well? Why no Gargoyles or Raveners?

I am getting the feeling that one of the ways that GW is looking to "maximize profit" is
by making sure that we must purchase new elite-type units in the single unit package rather than the "discount" package.

I really dislike this.
The best Battalion I ever bought was the Empire Reinforcement Battalion that had
20 new Flagellents, the new helblaster/helcannon, new plastic wizards, and the latest empire state troops.
All but the State troops were brand new at the time.

**twistinthunder**

the guants in the battleforce arent even recuts, theyre 2 boxes worth of the previous gaunts mixed box (which came as 8 of each).

**BrassScorpion**

The Tyranid Codex had a major printing error in it so no preview copy in the stores at the usual time and the release date on the book has been pushed back till a corrected print run can be obtained.

**Soup and a roll**

Is anyone else annoyed by how sculptors will put holes in leathery wings? Sure it makes them look more sinister, but it also means they wouldn't work.

Also, is it possible Mawloc is a special character style trygon, like Red terror etc?

**gorgon**

H.B.M.C. wrote:Well 'Nidzilla was the last Codex. They've swinging that pendulum away from that and to swarms, so the contents make sense.

Actually, the more rumors I read, the more I think a move away from Nidzilla is just something we've cooked up. I think Nidzilla will be just as viable as ever, it's just that the formula will change.

There's a new batch of rumors up on Warseer. Some seem very strange and/or questionable to me, but who knows.

**Aduro**

According to my FLGS' GW contact the gaunts in the new battleforce are indeed the recut gaunts as they will come in the new gaunt boxes.

**Brother SRM**

I haven't seen this batch of Tyranid rumors copy/pasted yet, so here they are, from Warseer:

Well, I think I waited long enough to post some decent hints of rules. As Black Boxes will ship in next week and GWs official promo will start, I think I might already say some things so you guys wont go into the redshirts clutches unprepared.

Source is accurate. I still might have got some details wrong. I have not read the book, so please don't ask me questions, I'll tell you everything I know. No more, no less.

I'll start with the "boring" stuff.

Hormagaunts: Improved Initiative. Point costs halved.

Gaunts: nothing new there.

Gargoyles: A poisoned attack that excactly works as the Warhammer Fantasy Poisoned attacks rule work: Each roll of 6 to hit always wounds. Armour saves applied normally. Poison glands available. Point Costs halved.

Raveners: Plastic Kits of three with lots of options for thorax weapons.

Tyranid Warriors: Improved armoursaves, 3 Lifepoints each. Core unit. You still may have Tyrant Warrior Alphas as HQ choices.

Liktor: 3 for a FOC, no 0-1 Limit. 3 Lifepoints.
Liktor Death Leaper: In the list. WS9, I 7, Rending on 5+.

Old One Eye: In the list.

Red Terror: NOT in the list.

Hive Tyrand: The major HQ choice again.

Hive Guard: Harpoon Cannon does not need LOS. Longe Range weapon.
From a different angle, they really do NOT look like Centaurs at all. They just lean on their middle limbs to balance, bud they really are not 2 pairs of legs.

Genestealers: Point costs dropped. No info if they are core or elite.
Broodlord: Upgrade to all Genestealer squads. Psychic powers.

Venomthrope: poisened Attacks that wound on 2+. Grants 5+ cover save to all models within 6 inches.

Pyrovore: Melee Monster with flaming template weapon.

Zoanthrope: Apperantly no 0-1 choice any more.

Carnifexes: Squads of up to 3. Increased ballistic skills.

Trygon: He's there. Monstrous Creature.

Mawloc: He's there too.

Expect some new weaponsymbionts.

I had this for quiet some time, but I promised to keep it down. If you go to your local store the next days, yo probably will find the promotional posters with pictures of all the shinies.

**acreedon**

**FoxPhoenix135**

great info! Thanks SRM!

**FlammingGaunt**

So Venomthrope pretty much has a kff, thats pretty cool I guess but not very original unlike this so called Harpoon cannon. I'd love to pulled space marine captains out of their termie squads and have my Tyrant maul em.

**gorgon**

I gotta say I'm lukewarm at best on several of the new rumors. I'm speculating heavily here, but the VT looks like it's intended to be Hamburger Helper for Gaunts to me. However, 4+ cover is plentiful for Gaunts and the VT would look to be more helpful for MCs in actuality (especially since it could play peekaboo behind a Fex brood).

Like I said earlier, I have a sneaky suspicion that Nidzilla will be alive and well, it just might be with different Fex builds and the addition of the Trygon, etc.

Extra wounds on Warriors is great if they keep Eternal Warrior. If not...well, I have no idea Cruddace is thinking on that one considering extra T would better address their issues.

The part about the Pyrovore being a close combat beastie is just odd considering people who have seen the model say it looks like a Biovore with a bigger gun. Although it's consistent with the early rumors about an acid template, etc. Of course, it could be that it fires like the Hellhound, or that it has a big AT gun and a secondary template weapon for close defense.

Cheaper Hormagaunts....great...but if they don't have S4 access I'm not going to be going hogwild on them.

Cheaper, poisoned Gargoyle...fine, I guess...not sure what their role really is then, nor why I'd sink points into them if scoring Gaunts and Hormagaunts are still available.

We still lack TONS of context, though. So I'm hoping this "meh" feeling of mine is just me jumping the gun based on incomplete information.

**Aduro**

FlammingGaunt wrote:So Venomthrope pretty much has a kff, thats pretty cool I guess but not very original unlike this so called Harpoon cannon. I'd love to pulled space marine captains out of their termie squads and have my Tyrant maul em.

Unoriginal yes... But it could be darn handy if the goal is a Swarm based army. And the Harpoon cannon, if it worked like that, would just be a redo of the old Flesh Hook rules, not really original either.

**gorgon**

Aduro wrote:Unoriginal yes... But it could be darn handy if the goal is a Swarm based army.

Moreso if it's Nidzilla, given that MCs have such a hard time getting cover saves in 5th. Is that what was intended? I dunno, but that's how it looks to me (albeit with the sparse info we have).

And the Harpoon cannon, if it worked like that, would just be a redo of the old Flesh Hook rules, not really original either.

Wasn't the rumor that the cannons are long-ranged weapons? Flesh hooks never worked like that.

**Savnock**

The only thing here that seems implausible are the halved costs for hormagaunts and gargoyles. It's not toally outside GW's range of dramatic change, but (even as a Nid player) it seems a bit too big a reduction.

**Lukus83**

Well I think we can expect to see some serious side effects without synapse active on them. Though I expect you're right. I'm going to say 7 point gargoyles, 3 point gaunts (with no guns or maybe spinefists already) and 6 point hormagaunts.

**acreedon**

When will the codex be in stores for preview? Dec 17th?