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Terminus wrote:UFP wins because they manage to tap into nosferatu's nerd rage and unlock an unlimited source of energy.

Wow, more personal attacks. Didn't you learn your lesson the last time?

nosferatu1001 wrote:NIghtsbane - before raising the "t" flag, perhaps defeating a claim would be useful. I'll wait.

In addition: the UFP *would* know they were coming - how do you think the IoM "know" about the UFP? theyd stumble across them, bluster, get beaten down and secrets stolen, and eventually somebody at the administratum would investigate further.

By which point all the secrets you so heavily rely on (like the Warp - whcih would hardly be secret if you can open a rift to it using EM based tech, of course...) have been investigated, copied and improved on.

I'd love to see the Imperium arrive to find they cant exit the warp [known tech, see BL 3rd W bearers novel), and a small bomblet (no pilot of course) collapses their geller fields while theyre in the warp. Of course thats only if you push the UFP hard enough to forget they have principles, of course...

yeah, because after being beaten by borg and dominion they investigated, improved the technology, and were prepared for them.....oh wait that never happened. They got obliterated, and with one of those enemies only survived due to the intervention of "gods".

ChrisWWII wrote:Nos: I think you're overestimating the Federation's reverse engineering tech....You have to remember that the technology the Imperium is so far out of the Federation's frame of reference that the Federation would have extreme difficulty in reverse engineering Imperial technology, even if they managed to capture an completely intact Imperial vessel, and/or its blueprints. Assuming of course, the Imperials don't blow up their ship the instant it seems like they're going to be overpowered by the xenos loving heretics.

I suppose that void shields and adamantium armour would stop the UFP from conducting any scans? Adamantium only exists in the land of make-belief, so replicators could never recreate it even if its atomic composition could be determined by scans - which it can't - right? Void shields are so unfathomable that they give no readings on the primitive UFP scans right?

By your reckoning, IoM already outnumbers them by 10E+5's in ships, manpower in the 10E+9's, weapon strength in the 10E+9's. I really don't see why you guys need to handicap the UFP by taking away their scientific abilities, replicator technologies, unrealistic torpedo yields and forced adherance to TV canon. That's like a pro-wrestler having a fight against a 90 year old senior citizen. Victory is all but certain, but for whatever reason, the senior citizen can't use a cane or walker, can't wear glasses, nor can he use his dentures as a weapon.

All righty. Shutting down at this point. Its gotten long and a bit flamy. Time to to put her to bed.