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Limited schmimmitted.

65,000 is a large print run for a boardgame even though finite. (All products are finite, in the long run. Try buying a Hasselblad X-Pan camera.)

If early reports are correct it is not selling quickly so I am sure everyone who wants a copy will be able to pick one up before Christmas.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Sorry for having a different set of values to the rest of Dakka
and I am being reasonabe.

Nah, don't worry, lots of other people on have the same 'values'. The rest of us just call it being unreasonable.)

You really are making a big stink about nothing. If GW did not say it was limited, you or someone else would be claiming how deceptive they were in not telling you they were making it only once.


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Kilkrazy wrote:Limited schmimmitted.

65,000 is a large print run for a boardgame even though finite. (All products are finite, in the long run. Try buying a Hasselblad X-Pan camera.)

If early reports are correct it is not selling quickly so I am sure everyone who wants a copy will be able to pick one up before Christmas.

Correct on both statements. It's a pretty big print run, and not selling out nearly as fast as Space Hulk did. Trade Sales had product available the second week for stores in the US to order, and the US distributors I talked to got re-orders in. Neither of these would be happening if GW was selling out of the game at their warehouse level. I attribute a great deal of this to many people not knowing about the game. The disinformation strategy really works against them for short term sell through. I'd expect anyone wanting one for Christmas won't have a problem. I sold about 30 of 50 that I got in. Right about where I wanted to be with Christmas coming up.

I read all the fluff for it and I'm pretty impressed with DF. The models look excellent as well.

I mean, I'm still not buying the fether because I hate playing with unpainted models, and I've still got 50+ that need finishing, but, Ill never say never.

It sounds pretty good, and the people that have actually played it say it's fun.

mattyrm wrote:
It sounds pretty good, and the people that have actually played it say it's fun.

And other people that have played it and are used to playing board games say that it is a piece of crap, so YMMV...

Actually, if you do some reading about the blogsphere (sorry.. you can shoot me for saying that word!).. around people's blogs I mean, as well as forum comments, it's getting a pretty mixed bag of reviews. Certainly nothing like the level of adulation which Space Hulk received when it came out, a game I think a lot of people were really pleased with for multiple reason.

I still can't understand why it didn't get some coverage prior to release. I mean, I can understand not having detailed sprue shots and pics of the models 6 months in advance, but I think unless you picked up the WD or opened the one (was it more?) GW mail, it could have entirely sailed past before you realised it.

What's wrong with coastal raids in lotr sbg?...

PhantomViper wrote:

mattyrm wrote:
It sounds pretty good, and the people that have actually played it say it's fun.

And other people that have played it and are used to playing board games say that it is a piece of crap, so YMMV...

And people who have played it and are used to playing board games like it.

From the reviews I read it seems that people that wanted something at the chess end of the spectrum got disappointed, people that wanted something at the monopoly end of the spectrum are having fun.

If you're the sort of person that only likes one end of the spectrum then you're probably either very happy or very disappointed. If you're the sort of person that enjoys different types of game with varying emphasis on skill or chaos then it's just about understanding where it fits and playing it when that's the sort of game you're in the mood for.

Baragash wrote:From the reviews I read it seems that people that wanted something at the chess end of the spectrum got disappointed, people that wanted something at the monopoly end of the spectrum are having fun.

If you're the sort of person that only likes one end of the spectrum then you're probably either very happy or very disappointed. If you're the sort of person that enjoys different types of game with varying emphasis on skill or chaos then it's just about understanding where it fits and playing it when that's the sort of game you're in the mood for.

I guess that's about right. I'm not sure why anyone would even expect a "chess" game from GW (probably to have an excuse to complain afterwards) but there you go.

And I'd say that simply removing a few of the crazier Fate cards would go a looong way to making the game less lolrandom.

The first review linked to was enough to put me off -- I agree with the reviewer that I don't mind a quick, fun game being mostly luck-based, but if it's gonna take 4 hours to play, I want to be making multiple meaningful decisions every turn.

I've only played once so far (I'll rectify this over the weekend) but it took considerably less than 4 hours with all ships on the table and I certainly felt like I was making tough choices all the time.

As far as luck/skill goes; I made a bad mistake during deployment. Apart from that I played better and would still have won if not for bad dice and bad Fate cards... but removing 6 or so craziest cards should be enough to fix that, I think.

mikhaila wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:

mattyrm wrote:
It sounds pretty good, and the people that have actually played it say it's fun.

And other people that have played it and are used to playing board games say that it is a piece of crap, so YMMV...

And people who have played it and are used to playing board games like it.

Care to provide a positive review from someone who isn't a retailer and that has to hype up CrapFleet to sell it?

And monopoly takes alot more skill to play that this...

PhantomViper wrote:

mikhaila wrote:

PhantomViper wrote:

mattyrm wrote:
It sounds pretty good, and the people that have actually played it say it's fun.

And other people that have played it and are used to playing board games say that it is a piece of crap, so YMMV...

And people who have played it and are used to playing board games like it.

Care to provide a positive review from someone who isn't a retailer and that has to hype up CrapFleet to sell it?

And monopoly takes alot more skill to play that this...

Sort of idiotic to think that I'd sit here on Dakka and hope that i could drum up sales when I don't sell to the internet. Quite the opposite, I just made a big stack of 50 copies of Dreadfleet in the store. Sold half the first week and the rest are moving at a steady pace. It's a game. I sell lots of board games and miniature games.

You don't like the game you haven't bought. Fine, everyone heas an opinion. But why the vitriol? I've got hundreds of games in my store, some I don't like to play at all. Doesn't mean I take it personal and get upset that they exist, or that someone else likes it.

Did some pirate steal your teddy bear when you were six and you've got some vendetta against them?

PhantomViper wrote:Care to provide a positive review from someone who isn't a retailer and that has to hype up CrapFleet to sell it?

And monopoly takes alot more skill to play that this..

There are a couple positive reviews on Board Game Geek. Having said that, if the bolded part is your set opinion, there isn't much point in you reading positive reviews.

Baragash wrote:From the reviews I read it seems that people that wanted something at the chess end of the spectrum got disappointed, people that wanted something at the monopoly end of the spectrum are having fun.

If you're the sort of person that only likes one end of the spectrum then you're probably either very happy or very disappointed. If you're the sort of person that enjoys different types of game with varying emphasis on skill or chaos then it's just about understanding where it fits and playing it when that's the sort of game you're in the mood for.

Good mini- review, really nails this game on the head. A freind bought a set, I played a game Heldenhammer vs the evil guys flagship. I was marginally impresed at best, and the rules sucked. Yes it weas fun, so it ticks that box, but it was so random I might as well have been playing snakes and ladders. One thing it did achieve, while a miniatures game I rapidly pigeonholed it as a kids boardgame, so if the total randomness of the wind and events seemed non-sensical and contrary to providing any tactical play then that was forgiven and accepted as part of the game provided in the box.
Noone plays Monoploy as an investment simulation, I quickly saw the random events as similar to 'not passing Go'.

Augustus wrote:Also one of THE most important parts is GW doesn't support independent retailers with any of that stuff, I want to buy it off the shelf locally, but they don't give stores terms, so you never see it, you have to order it direct, and this keeps communities form growing around it...That's also what I mean.

I take it back, it WAS at my LGS, and I was wrong, I admit, they DID have copies of it! I picked it up and checked it out, it looked fun.

Though I like expandable miniatures games I thought for a board game it was kind of cool.

I'm sure someone else has said it already in these 20 pages, but oh well.

My reason for not getting it besides the price? What other use will I get out of it? With Space Hulk, all the models has cross use with 40k. Dreadfleet has none of that. I would have been excited about it if they were going to do a BFG style thing for Fantasy, but a one shot deal that I can't use the models for anything else, no thank you.

They want to do a single release item for Fantasy, bring back Warhammer Quest.

djones520 wrote:
My reason for not getting it besides the price? What other use will I get out of it? With Space Hulk, all the models has cross use with 40k. Dreadfleet has none of that. I would have been excited about it if they were going to do a BFG style thing for Fantasy, but a one shot deal that I can't use the models for anything else, no thank you.

OMG! What other use will I get out of my xbox 360 and PS3 games?
What about my Zombietown game? There is absolutely no way I can use that with 40K.
And even though I tried using Nightfall cards as space marines, that was epic fail too!

Doesn't zombietown have like 100 15mm zombies in it that you could use for any zombie based 15mm game?

I don't have much to add to the bigger debate on the thread but I did spend this evening playing Dreadfleet. I am happy to share my thoughts and ramble a little bit about the game, hopefully my comments might be useful to those that are sitting on the fence about the whole Dreadfleet thing.

I thought it was fairly good to be honest, we played two games and there was five of us. I liked the models and overall the box contents seemed fairly good quality (although the cards might wear out from lots of play).

The game plays pretty well, it was fairly fast paced and I thought there was some strategy involved when it come to manouvering the ships and looking for the killer broadside.

I am not really a hardcore gamer and I went into the evening with no prior expectations. I can confirm that generally I enjoyed it and I don't have any real gripes with rules - apart from the flyers and sea giants etc seem very hard to kill as they ignore certain damage cards.

I would suggest it's the sort of game that is worth playing when some friends are available and you are suffering 40k burnout or just fancy a change.

To sum up - is it worth £70 - In my honest opinion NO. If it was priced at £49.99 then I would probably buy it. £70 just seemed a bit too expensive for a game that I would only want to play every couple of months. I don't think the current financial climate helps either.....£70 is a lot of money for most people.

If you are still undecided I would recommend getting a few games in (and then) if you like it then buy it.....I would have been disappointed if I had taken the gamble and spent £70 on it.

I hope this post is of use

:-)

Zarren Wevon wrote:Doesn't zombietown have like 100 15mm zombies in it that you could use for any zombie based 15mm game?

But if you have a zombie game, why do they need to be usable in another game?


Sure it can be useful, but cross-compatibiity is probably the last thing I'm considering when I decide whether or not to buy a game. I don't need a ship game that has ships compatible with any other ship game... if I'm buying this game, it's because I intend to play this game... unless of course I'm buying it solely to use the models in something else.

Not everyone does that. I bought two sets of the DOOM board game because of the tiles they came with. I've never even played a game of DOOM since I bought it. Used the tiles heaps though.

Seems like an expansive way to get floor plans though.

Expansive or expensive?

http://instantrimshot.com/classic/?sound=rimshot

My mate bought it, even though I told him it was a waste of money. The only good thats come out of it for me is that he's paying me to paint them so I guess I cant really complain.

Kilkrazy wrote:Expansive or expensive?

http://instantrimshot.com/classic/?sound=rimshot

I am quite the wordsmith aren't I.

[throws iPhone in bin]

insaniak wrote:

Zarren Wevon wrote:Doesn't zombietown have like 100 15mm zombies in it that you could use for any zombie based 15mm game?

But if you have a zombie game, why do they need to be usable in another game?


Sure it can be useful, but cross-compatibiity is probably the last thing I'm considering when I decide whether or not to buy a game. I don't need a ship game that has ships compatible with any other ship game... if I'm buying this game, it's because I intend to play this game... unless of course I'm buying it solely to use the models in something else.

When you purchase zombietown you have a zombie board game, but you also have the option of playing a meatier game like THW's All Things Zombie! (a miniatures game) among others. There's a lot of value added to that little $40 box for me because reusing the components in another type of game allows me to manage my gaming group's ADD while not filling my house with specific gaming products for each instance.

The re-usable parts standard only applies to games that may not have a lot of re-playability (like dreadfleet). I try to stick with the games that are so great they don't need dual-usage (TWILIGHT IMPERIUM!!!) or something that I can at least justify in a utilitarian sense.

My store I believe went through all their copies pretty quickly, so it seemed like it sold well. I doubt they'll sell any more copies tho

If you want some really good 40k scale models buy the Gears of War boardgame, all the locust make pretty good lost and the damned IG (Only problem is you need to buy like 5 copies to get enough)

mikhaila wrote:

Sort of idiotic to think that I'd sit here on Dakka and hope that i could drum up sales when I don't sell to the internet. Quite the opposite, I just made a big stack of 50 copies of Dreadfleet in the store. Sold half the first week and the rest are moving at a steady pace. It's a game. I sell lots of board games and miniature games.

You don't like the game you haven't bought. Fine, everyone heas an opinion. But why the vitriol? I've got hundreds of games in my store, some I don't like to play at all. Doesn't mean I take it personal and get upset that they exist, or that someone else likes it.

Did some pirate steal your teddy bear when you were six and you've got some vendetta against them?

Yes, he clearly does. I dont own DF, and im not buying it, but it looks alright.. merely alright, a board game that people play for fun. End of the sentence.

The bizarre vitriol that he and many other people display is something I have only seen on the internet, and I find it truly bizarre. I don't work for, or particularly love GW, I just seem to defend them alot because I think that "vendetta" people are genuinely weird.

In fact, I haven't bought anything from a GW store in years because I want a good deal for me too. I either use Ebay or Wayland, makes no sense not to save that ten percent...

However, this behaviour seems to be a "nerd" trait that I have never figured out. Like, they truly LOVE wargaming, but this manifests as some sort of.. bizarre, hatred for a company that they view as making it harder for them to wargame because they charge alot of money? Sort of like a woman has for a husband that she loves who asks for a divorce so she maliciously tries to steal his house and kids even though she is still in love with him?

Well.. thats how it seems to me. GW tries to make big profits... like every other company? An Iphone is way steeper than a HTC, so I buy the HTC, I think apple is too pricey, but I dont HATE apple, isnt it exactly the same thing? Go buy other companies mini's! Why take the time to be strange and endlessly spill tirades on dakka?!

Big companies feth us for big bucks if they know we will buy their stuff.

Welcome to the real world kids.

well my plan was

1: buy dread fleet
2: ....
3: sell on ebay a month later and profit

too bad no ones seems to be buying it >_<