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Here in the UK anyway, but assume everywhere, the School Clubs aren’t aimed at full games.
Rather small starter games, and paint sessions etc.
Then they get into it and mummy and daddy take over with buying and investing for the bigger games.

I think it’s pretty much 1k max in most cases, space wise school tables fit it ok, but yeah any bigger would be no good.


I think Underworlds, Kill Team, and the Quests would serve better now.
Something going forward they might aim at perhaps..
   
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UK

 Grot 6 wrote:

GW is only interested in that first hit.

They want to cash in fast on the initial entry with expensive basic product, then try to fleece the kids with "ABSOLUTE ESENTIALS" that are top tier price and bottom tier quality. The reality is GW relegated itself to boutique markets for the rich and spoiled with one to two man shops with one to three tables, as opposed to the obligatory 5-7 with a staff of 3 or 4 and organized play. Kids get run off because mommy wants to let little jimmy sit in the GW as a free child care shop, and goes off to buy her stuff, and then comes back and can't figure out why the stuff costs so much.

Secondary market of half finished GW stuff, and real world experiences are my references for this opinion.

No "Kid" worth their salt goes into a game system that tops out at over 3,000 bucks. Sorry.


My impression is that GW tools are marked up significantly in price, but are generally of high to good quality. Paints, brushes, clippers, blades are all pretty good - heck I've still got my old yellow clippers from what 15 years ago or more and the only reason I replaced them is because the little spring broke. Also I'd wager the second hand market is more stocked with the results of teen to adult age gamers and often gamers swapping armies and selling off old projects to fund new ones - most kids, even today, are not trading that heavily on ebay and the like.
As for staff GW used to have bigger stores with more staff; then upkeep and tax and wages and basically ALL the overheads for stores rose significantly plus the internet lowered many prices and introduced more competition - basically the highstreet changed and became - certianly in the UK - very unfriendly toward shops. In fact many are closing up, even big named brand stores are shutting and going bankrupt; food outlets seem to be about the only one with markup and profit margins and sales big enough to keep going; plsu they don't have to compete with online sales.

I'd wage a lot of kids worth their salt go into GW and Warhammer - Dakka is utterly FULL of kids who went into game systems like that! Plus lets be realistic, modern computer games and consoles are easily comparable in price. A solid modern console is what £500 or thereabouts at launch - that's easily several thousand points in most armies worth of models, tools and paint.

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Ehhh. The clippers are ridiculously soft and chip very easily - which at that price level is unacceptable IMO, the brushes aren't bad but at the same-ish price a rosemary&co s.33 is going to beat the pants off of them, the files will do (...because anything will, for plastic and resin) but at several times the price you'd pay for similar quality elsewhere and most of the other tools are just plain bad, if you know what kind of quality is available elsewhere at similar or lower prices.

(I'll admit the painting grips look nice enough and those have been on my wish list for a while now, but that's probably the one and only exception. And they're still kinda pricey for what they are, really.)

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 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:
Because the children of 20 years ago are not the same as the children of today. Today they have far more options for entertainment and far easier access too it. If these books can catch their attention on the shelf of a bookstore, supermarket or whatever, that's one more avenue of possibly getting them into the hobby. Especially when most GW's aren't usually directly on the high street but usually off to the side somewhere not everyone is going to see. It's logical business sense. And I never understood this 40K is not for children nonsense. It's always been aimed at 10-12 year olds initially and i'm sure that's the age a great many people started. And it's certainly what I see regularly enough.


I think the death of the toy industry cannot be overstated. Mobile phones and computers have been bleeding it for years, and have encroached on it to the point children get given a tablet as soon as they go to school. The idea that kids play with physical toys is becoming almost quaint, and GW is scrabbling in order to maintain their entry-level hobbyist market segment.

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Aye GW realises that they've got to compete with computers and mobile phones. Also I'd say that in the geek world magic the gathering has really risen in power and impact. Card games are really attractive because they break down into really small purchases very easily (a pack of cards here and there adds up to a lot, but on its own looks really small).

Plus a lot of 3rd party stores push magic more than warhammer and other wargames because magic makes far more profit for the store overall and is a tiny footfall in terms of stocking space and play space. A table that fits two wargamers might be broken down into enough space for 16 or so magic players (assuming 4 tables). And of those 16 you can likely get several to part with some money for more cards or even run a booster-draft session.


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It’s rather fun, for what it is.

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You know if GW keeps on at this rate we might one day see animated Warhammer!


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Well, we know there’s a 40k one coming up. If the Adventures series proves a hit, who knows what we might see?

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I liked that.

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They're going full Saturday morning cartoon mode here?

https://spikeybits.com/2019/02/warhammer-adventures-new-video-teaser-released.html?fbclid=IwAR24OJOtVCtgxai3NED3iPR3zrRc6ppt50pY6-O0QoQQ8ASEYMDqLDQqvBA

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No, (or not yet at least)

Spikeybits saw the animates short and the mention that they'll do a few more and exaggerated into Warhammer adventures Saturday morning cartoon confirmed!

 
   
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Free sample ar GW stores at the moment.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Free sample ar GW stores at the moment.


Remember, per GW policy, only the first taste is free.


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new animated short with Nora this time

https://www.facebook.com/1575682476085719/videos/321955201787367/

 
   
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Spoilers for Attack of the Necron if you want.
   
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We'll find out soon enough eh.

Oh. Oh dear.

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Awesome.

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I mean, personal filter and all that, but dear God, that sounds awful.

The again, most young teen media treats its intended audience like inbred imbeciles, so that's perhaps par for the course.
   
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So you assume that when the child scolds the other for calling the Jokaero "it "instead of "he" is a reference to misgendering and not the fact that he is treating the xeno as a object and not a equal humanlike being?

To be honest is not the most unbiased review I have seen but thanks for the effort.

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Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.

 
   
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We'll find out soon enough eh.

 Galas wrote:
So you assume that when the child scolds the other for calling the Jokaero "it "instead of "he" is a reference to misgendering and not the fact that he is treating the xeno as a object and not a equal humanlike being?

To be honest is not the most unbiased review I have seen but thanks for the effort.


I'm sure ensuring they treat the Jokaero equally and with sensitivity is their only concern, hence why as the review notes they immediately discard his actual name and start calling him "Fleabag"

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Hes a filthy xeno he deserves that an worse

 Crimson Devil wrote:

Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.

ERJAK wrote:
Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.

 
   
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Nothing like a kids show where the good guys are part of an oppressive, xenophobic culture ridden with corruption and facing constant threat both from chaos and within.
   
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My son read the free taster and loved it.
   
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I know i'm not the intended audience, but that sounds far, far worse than i thought. It should have used 40k to tell a story that still fit within the overall setting without the safer aspects of it being a downside that took away from the depiction of the universe, not cobble together a random assort of 40k things to try to scrape together some semblance of a plot regardless of if actually worked with that available material. I knew that obviously this would sort of water down the setting to make it more suitable, but It sounds as if it goes quite far beyond just doing that...if they have to misrepresent the setting and portray it as something that doesn't even sound slightly like what it actually is, make poorly written plot contrivances and overall make so many absurd inclusions and changes that the end depiction doesn't even somewhat resemble the proper thing while also not really trying to fit into to the lore (e.g, the bionic arm at 3, FTL DeathScythes, the Warp travel) and seemingly trying to push a message without much thought put into it, than maybe the setting just isn't suitable at all, though.
   
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I'm pretty sure you could deconstruct most 40K books in similar fashion as lots of them depend on crazy conincidences, implausible combat results, dubious decisions by the opposition etc

(not that I've read it to be able to say whether on not it works as a fun adventure novel)

 
   
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I still want the miniatures of the kids. That would be pretty cool to use them in skirmish level, and RPGs. For the stories, At first I was pretty against them, but it is just a sales device to get kids back into the game. Too bad they couldn't drop the price a little so a kid could actually play though... Cpt Obvious isn't always so, I guess.

The Necron story is pretty much set for middle school kids from 10-15. it's well written for them, so Kudos. (I haven't read the other one, No interest, personally.)

These are good books to get the kid ready for reading Black Library, and keep them engaged.



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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I'm pretty sure you could deconstruct most 40K books in similar fashion as lots of them depend on crazy conincidences, implausible combat results, dubious decisions by the opposition etc

(not that I've read it to be able to say whether on not it works as a fun adventure novel)


I don't think those things occurring in other novels is quite as bad, though. There's a difference between them happening simply as the result of author error or poor writing, and them being there because the core idea needs them in order to even somewhat work.
   
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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I'm pretty sure you could deconstruct most 40K books in similar fashion as lots of them depend on crazy conincidences, implausible combat results, dubious decisions by the opposition etc

(not that I've read it to be able to say whether on not it works as a fun adventure novel)


Honestly when on de-constructs books into their most simplistic forms the "angle" the person takes can seriously influence how the book can appear. Extreme simplification can highly heavy bias in the reviewer very quickly - a positive person will pick out the positive elements and present things in a positive light very quickly; whilst one with a more negative angle to begin with will take the opposite pathway. And because its so heavily simplified neither result is "wrong" they are just simply extreme different takes. Plus a LOT of things in stories can sound really bad and simple when simplified - its one big reason I tend to never bother reading blurbs on fantasy books because they all sound ever so silly when shortened to two or three sentences.

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