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Great to gear about a positive development, I want to see the day when WMH becomes mainstream again.

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I have been and still am highly cynical and wary of PP as a company. But im still a big fan of playing the game. Despite my previous comments, the positivity and buzz from of the community around this change is really great. The question is how do we translate this from excitement inside the existing community to gains and interest from outside the existing community. i.e. new or returning player, stores etc.

Spoke to my close friends who used to play and left the game “in disgusts” last year or so. Took them through the changes. If anything the fact that PP is overhauing over half of the line is (to them) more proof that the company has no idea what its doing and “why should I come back for this if things can still change and the community is so awful”.

Assuming the changes are executed well and its not a balls up, how do we turn this positivity into new player and a better relationship with stores and the wider wargaming community? Is it just “if we build it, they will come”?
   
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How is thememachine these days?

I would come back in a heartbeat if I wouldn't feel so disadvantaged not playing in theme with my troll bloods (Damn it, I want to use ranged infantry with champions without having to play out of theme and lots of benefits vs playing against a theme force)

And is there more acceptance of 3d terrain over those god awful 2d area terrain pieces?
   
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 Gir Spirit Bane wrote:
How is thememachine these days?

I would come back in a heartbeat if I wouldn't feel so disadvantaged not playing in theme with my troll bloods (Damn it, I want to use ranged infantry with champions without having to play out of theme and lots of benefits vs playing against a theme force)

And is there more acceptance of 3d terrain over those god awful 2d area terrain pieces?


It's pretty much all themes. I don't think that's ever going to change. However, there is a new Troll theme that combines very specifically Champions and a good chunk of the Troll ranged units, plus the Farrow, so there's definitely room for the list you're talking about now.
   
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LunarSol beat me to it, but yea, a theme that does what you want list wise

as for terrain, i know i've seen people in recent months doing 3d prints that they can swap with flat templates as need for their games

Haven't looked as closely for terrain in any of the battle reports or tourney reports on facebook though, so can't say either way
   
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There was a kickstarter a while back for .stl toppers that can be added on top of the 2d prints and moved as needed. They look pretty good.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/tomwiggins/bulldozer-terrain-0

Their discord mentioned that 14 people bought commercial licenses so if you don't have a printer yet you should be able to find them soon.
   
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Sunno wrote:

Spoke to my close friends who used to play and left the game “in disgusts” last year or so. Took them through the changes. If anything the fact that PP is overhauing over half of the line is (to them) more proof that the company has no idea what its doing and “why should I come back for this if things can still change and the community is so awful”.


I learned a while back that people that hard quit something in disgust are generally looking for a reason to stay mad and will always find something. It's not worth trying to win them over directly; they don't want to be won over. The best plan is to just have fun. Nothing draws in people like people having a good time. They may be new people, they just might be old, but the fear of missing out on fun is the best kind of FOMO. Locally, we've seen a mix. A few angry people try to salt the earth, but others are excited and wanting to give it a try again bolstered by a few new faces.
   
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Veldrain wrote:
There was a kickstarter a while back for .stl toppers that can be added on top of the 2d prints and moved as needed. They look pretty good.
I appreciate the reminder, I was just about to say that 3D toppers for 2D templates is probably the best answer (for many mini games beyond WMH).

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See me and my friends loved the game and stilldo but left because themes where hard to keep up with sometimes.
I really personally think WM/H in its current lvl is unsustainable and dead.
I think the game needs a full on reboot, AOS or 8th style.
And honestly, a legends thing could work for them.

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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
See me and my friends loved the game and stilldo but left because themes where hard to keep up with sometimes.
I really personally think WM/H in its current lvl is unsustainable and dead.
I think the game needs a full on reboot, AOS or 8th style.
And honestly, a legends thing could work for them.


I do think they really, really, really need to legends some things, or at least consolidate some designs and make some sculpts interchangeable. Plenty of casters don't meaningfully change between versions and there's units like Long Gunners that are completely unneeded.

I will say, if you feel overwhelmed, 100% check out Brawl/Clashmachine. I have totally up to date 75 point in theme armies, but frankly I'd rather play the game at smaller scales.
   
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I do think smaller scale would help this game immensly.
Sadly we all sold our collection.
But the biggest thing that would help is get the game back in stores, nothing kills a game faster than not being in stores.

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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I do think smaller scale would help this game immensly.
Sadly we all sold our collection.
But the biggest thing that would help is get the game back in stores, nothing kills a game faster than not being in stores.


It's a tough one. Honestly, at the moment it feels like nothing is really in stores; at least not the way it used to be. Occasionally a starter or something, but outside GW and I guess Asmodee stuff, I haven't seen well stocked shelves in a while. Just rotating flavor of the month board games.
   
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 LunarSol wrote:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I do think smaller scale would help this game immensly.
Sadly we all sold our collection.
But the biggest thing that would help is get the game back in stores, nothing kills a game faster than not being in stores.


It's a tough one. Honestly, at the moment it feels like nothing is really in stores; at least not the way it used to be. Occasionally a starter or something, but outside GW and I guess Asmodee stuff, I haven't seen well stocked shelves in a while. Just rotating flavor of the month board games.


Which is apparently a huge issue because that's what distributors are doing. They only want the "new hotness" and not regular stocking of model lines and such. PP do have a worse case situation right now due to burning some bridges before; but its apparently a huge issue for any model company trying to get their products in local stores. It's apparently not too hard to get new products picked up, but anything "older" that isn't brand new just isn't what Distributors want to take on and sell on. Which means that local stores can have issues.

For board games its annoying, but for wargames its a huge problem because those early sets are starters and the like that are sort of needed to make the game work for new people and to tempt them in.

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PP has been pushing their latest mystery box for at least four months. Many of the colossals will never sell for retail price again.

I have two local stores and both of them have said they will not stock PP again. The one store had been trying to restock their paint and wasn't even able to manage that. It sucks for new players but I imagine this is the way it will be from now on.


As far as the toppers look:
I grabbed this off the discord, not mine. Tall Grass, clouds, rubble, and fire.
Spoiler:

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It's a tough one. Honestly, at the moment it feels like nothing is really in stores; at least not the way it used to be. Occasionally a starter or something, but outside GW and I guess Asmodee stuff, I haven't seen well stocked shelves in a while. Just rotating flavor of the month board games.


Iv started traveling the UK again for work to various cities and towns. Staying overnight I have some time in mornings and evenings to browse shops. If there is a hobby store I will always make a beeline for it.

From what iv seen, store are stocking the same things post pandemic than they were pre pandemic and still seem willing and able to do so. Apart from the obvious GW stuff, most decent or large game stores will have a mix of Infinity, Malifaux, MCP, SOIAF, Moonstone and historical. And these things have a good turn over, community and store owners have a good opinion of those games. What they don't have on the shelves in the same extent (or at all) and what they don't have a good opinion of is WM/H.

The fact of the matter is that, unless a game gets shelf space and a person can pick it up easily from a UK web or B&M store, it is not really going to get played here in the UK. When a person goes looking for a new game to play or is getting into the hobby, being able to readily see, touch and play demos of the game is essential. WM/H is basically MIA in UK game stores and in the minds of their owners.

Obviously the situation may be different in the US and places like EU and Asia etc. They have different hobby and retail setups

Unless we can sort out the supply/availability, communications and reputation issues, all the great new buzz and interesting update is not going to make all that much difference here in the UK. Which is a shame because I would really like it to.

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So busy community building, work, and implementing dadism I just had to drop in and see if the whine was thick here. And yep it is.

Well back to community building. Going to be a busy 3 days, I am EO'ing for Warcaster, Warmachine AND Riot Quest.

 
   
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Ehhhhhhh warm take from me, but not detecting a lot of whine here, Mr. M. This thread tends to be less about WMH: The Game (and bitching about it) and more about the grim reality of WMH: The Market with sides of WMH: The Company Behind It and WMH: My Experience Playing 5-10 Years Ago (A Memoir). But sure, not a lot of positive community building ... tho strong doubt anybody came to this Dakka thread actually expecting to find that

Anyway, another Insider about upcoming quality of life changes: https://home.privateerpress.com/2021/09/30/warmachine-hordes-dynamic-update-preview-quality-of-life/

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marxlives wrote:
So busy community building, work, and implementing dadism I just had to drop in and see if the whine was thick here. And yep it is.

Well back to community building. Going to be a busy 3 days, I am EO'ing for Warcaster, Warmachine AND Riot Quest.


And saying stuff like this helps?
Just sayin’.
   
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 Ghool wrote:
marxlives wrote:
So busy community building, work, and implementing dadism I just had to drop in and see if the whine was thick here. And yep it is.

Well back to community building. Going to be a busy 3 days, I am EO'ing for Warcaster, Warmachine AND Riot Quest.


And saying stuff like this helps?
Just sayin’.


It doesn't. But that is about par for the course with this thread.
   
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so to keep things more on task and relevant, the posts I'm seeing elsewhere in regards to the changes they've listed in the Insider posts (both the nerfs and the other stuff) has so far been surprisingly positive

I'm kinda hoping that some of the decrepit parts of my cygnar collection are gonna get some new life
   
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 LunarSol wrote:
 Gir Spirit Bane wrote:
How is thememachine these days?

I would come back in a heartbeat if I wouldn't feel so disadvantaged not playing in theme with my troll bloods (Damn it, I want to use ranged infantry with champions without having to play out of theme and lots of benefits vs playing against a theme force)

And is there more acceptance of 3d terrain over those god awful 2d area terrain pieces?


It's pretty much all themes. I don't think that's ever going to change. However, there is a new Troll theme that combines very specifically Champions and a good chunk of the Troll ranged units, plus the Farrow, so there's definitely room for the list you're talking about now.


It'll have to or the game really will die. Now that the initial anger over the early years of Mk3 have subsided almost every comment I see about why people left the game is people mainly blaming themes as their main reason for quitting and not coming back. In this country (Ireland) the game is completely dead.There might be some people here and there still playing it, but as far as I know only two people are still playing out of what was once a large organised playing scene that reached all parts of the country.

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On Episode 189 of Line of Sight, Bret and Jaden are joined by the incomparable Tyson Koch of much fame and accolade, but notably the event organizer for all things Privateer Press at the Las Vegas Open!

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#warmachine #dnd5e #rpg Great too see a creator directly contributing to the lore of the Iron Kingdoms. https://home.privateerpress.com/2021/10/06/iron-kingdoms-requiem-author-interviews-aj-beamu/


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Checkin' and yep, the wine is still top shelf people who don't even play the game anymore. Welp back to community building. Had a great weekend hosting Warmachine today and can't wait to do it again on Monday. Not much on Friday but we did have Riot Quest AND Warcaster playing. It wasn't easy. Things looked dark but I just kept going out, painting, demoing, and community building.


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 LoS_Jaden wrote:
On Episode 189 of Line of Sight, Bret and Jaden are joined by the incomparable Tyson Koch of much fame and accolade, but notably the event organizer for all things Privateer Press at the Las Vegas Open!

PSA: Warmachine players planning on attending LVO 2022? Get going on those ticket purchases dangit!

Come listen to the gang delve deep into the various events happening at LVO 2022, reminisce about Las Vegas Opens past, and get hyped for the first and best convention of 2022 - The Las Vegas Open!

https://www.loswarmachine.com/line-of-sight-podcast/2021/10/9/line-of-sight-episode-189-lvo-2022-hype-train


LVO crazy to think conventions are coming back.

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marxlives wrote:
#warmachine #dnd5e #rpg Great too see a creator directly contributing to the lore of the Iron Kingdoms. https://home.privateerpress.com/2021/10/06/iron-kingdoms-requiem-author-interviews-aj-beamu/


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Checkin' and yep, the wine is still top shelf people who don't even play the game anymore. Welp back to community building. Had a great weekend hosting Warmachine today and can't wait to do it again on Monday. Not much on Friday but we did have Riot Quest AND Warcaster playing. It wasn't easy. Things looked dark but I just kept going out, painting, demoing, and community building.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 LoS_Jaden wrote:
On Episode 189 of Line of Sight, Bret and Jaden are joined by the incomparable Tyson Koch of much fame and accolade, but notably the event organizer for all things Privateer Press at the Las Vegas Open!

PSA: Warmachine players planning on attending LVO 2022? Get going on those ticket purchases dangit!

Come listen to the gang delve deep into the various events happening at LVO 2022, reminisce about Las Vegas Opens past, and get hyped for the first and best convention of 2022 - The Las Vegas Open!

https://www.loswarmachine.com/line-of-sight-podcast/2021/10/9/line-of-sight-episode-189-lvo-2022-hype-train


LVO crazy to think conventions are coming back.


Yes, a return to f2f gaming and conventions makes me very happy.

Despite all my wining and criticism, this time is a great opportunity for us as a community and PP as a company to grow. We just need to do the right thing and seize it.
   
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Sunno wrote:
marxlives wrote:
#warmachine #dnd5e #rpg Great too see a creator directly contributing to the lore of the Iron Kingdoms. https://home.privateerpress.com/2021/10/06/iron-kingdoms-requiem-author-interviews-aj-beamu/


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Checkin' and yep, the wine is still top shelf people who don't even play the game anymore. Welp back to community building. Had a great weekend hosting Warmachine today and can't wait to do it again on Monday. Not much on Friday but we did have Riot Quest AND Warcaster playing. It wasn't easy. Things looked dark but I just kept going out, painting, demoing, and community building.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
 LoS_Jaden wrote:
On Episode 189 of Line of Sight, Bret and Jaden are joined by the incomparable Tyson Koch of much fame and accolade, but notably the event organizer for all things Privateer Press at the Las Vegas Open!

PSA: Warmachine players planning on attending LVO 2022? Get going on those ticket purchases dangit!

Come listen to the gang delve deep into the various events happening at LVO 2022, reminisce about Las Vegas Opens past, and get hyped for the first and best convention of 2022 - The Las Vegas Open!

https://www.loswarmachine.com/line-of-sight-podcast/2021/10/9/line-of-sight-episode-189-lvo-2022-hype-train


LVO crazy to think conventions are coming back.


Yes, a return to f2f gaming and conventions makes me very happy.

Despite all my wining and criticism, this time is a great opportunity for us as a community and PP as a company to grow. We just need to do the right thing and seize it.


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 greenskin lynn wrote:
so to keep things more on task and relevant, the posts I'm seeing elsewhere in regards to the changes they've listed in the Insider posts (both the nerfs and the other stuff) has so far been surprisingly positive


Yeah, by popular demand we had to move our local 75pt'er until after the dynamic update drops into Warroom. 14 people signed up already. This kind of thing is great for getting people out and trying new things.
   
 
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