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The jeans look fantastic on those..

Apple fox wrote:

So many people don’t want it changed and like and use the product as is without issue, as well as possible environmental issues.
Sometimes you do just have to learn and understand the paints.
Long drying times for best quality isn’t even uncommon, depending on a lot of factors.

To be blunt, there's a lot of people who are willing to put up or even be happy with a degree of gakky product because they either think they are getting a "good deal" or have lower standards. That's why Army Painter's regular warpaints still have a market. If you just want models with colour on them for tabletop use quickly, then they're probably fine. Some others do indeed think that the reactivation is a "Feature" but obviously AP themselves don't think so as their product is supposed to be a direct replacement for Contrast. Let's not pretend that AP are innovators in any way - they just do GW alternatives. Which isn' t a bad thing in and of itself - but it can come with lower quality as well as good product (see: Mantic)

I don't yet have my hands on the Vallejo paints, but I do have all of the Contrasts and all of the GSW Dipping Inks. Neither reactivate. If 3/4 products don't fail for some people but your product sometimes doesn't do what it's supposed to, then there's an issue with the product and it deserves to be in 4th place and you deserve any criticism that you get...

Does stahly do them over different paints? One reason I don’t use those is rarely people do them over different base colours and styles. So i rarely find them as useful as just watching painting using specific paints.

For the closest to that, you'll need to seek out the bases done by the staff of one particular GW who did a large number of contrasts over scenci bases. I have those in the same folder as Stahly's chits.

If you want more than that, you might have to do them yourself - there are a LOT of colours after all, and dark red is much different to pink. If you do, please post them up for use by all of the community. Ninjon using a selection of the new paints to paint a random model isn't going to be useful at all if you're trying to quickly check what Shyish Purple looks like in terms of coverage and darkness for a model that you're painting right now. To be clear, I've got no issue with him using the paints to paint a full model. I do have an issue with him unnecessarily being a witch about other people creating swatches that can be used by anyone quickly to check over an entire range as though he's in some way better.
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 legionaires wrote:

I guess I'm just lucky then. SpeedPaints has been a game changer for me and workswith how I paint. I have been enjoying the painting process more now in the last 2 months using SpeedPaints than I have in the last 5 years.
People can keep feeling free to not use AP just like I will never use AK.

That's actually the perfect attitude. If ther product is working for you, then keep using it and enjoying yourself.

I don't think anyone is calling you a bad person for enjoying your hobby. We have an issue with AP's product, not the actual hobbyists who happen to be using the product. If they somehow manage to fix the reactivation, I'll also likely purchase and use them myself. (not sure about those metallics, though!)

I stupidly bought the full set on release. I barely touch them. I lost a lot of faith in army painter. I don't hate that they reactivate - in fact when I do a wash I almost always want to be able to wipe away the wash that settles on top of details. But man, shifty thing to put out like that. I also got burned by their new formulation of metallics. The old ones were near like the gw coat de arms stuff.

 Ghaz wrote:

Anyone want to give a quick summary? Or at least tell us if there's anything meaningful? The last videos from AP were all waffle, not sure I'm willing to give AP another 4 and a half minutes of my time.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

Anyone want to give a quick summary? Or at least tell us if there's anything meaningful? The last videos from AP were all waffle, not sure I'm willing to give AP another 4 and a half minutes of my time.

I'm curious too and can't watch at work.

I picked up the original set for £30 a few weeks back and just tried them recently.

Honestly I'm REALLY impressed, I think they're nicer to work with and give better final results than contrast.

That said, I've not added anything over speedspaint yet so I have no idea how the reactivation will bite me.

Edit.

Watched the video after shift. They say they've fixed reactivation but other than that it's the same and more colours coming.

No, I watched and it's all the same BS "we listened to YOU and so we SOLVED reactivation! Because we listen!", literally no reason to watch it, I kinda regret giving them my time

But mostly I regret it because I liked the old reactivating formula, and I'm so so SO SOOOO bitter about AP being bullied into changing it. The entire video is literally "it no longer reactivates, it really REALLY doesn't reactivate, and we made it not reactivate! so it doesn't reactivate so people that complained really REALLY loudly on the internet that it reactivates well it no longer reactivates so we changed it even though some people liked it and now as you can see it totes don't reactivate so it no longer reactivates and you should kno wit doesn';t reactivate"

So supposedly, it doesn't reactivate now, but still acts exactly the same. Apparently. You donkey-caves won, I guess! Congrats! I haven't used AP speedpaint for anything since they announced it would be reformulated, despite LOVING how it works, I can't actually use it now because I can't replace it when I run out.

Good to hear. If it doesn't reactivate, I'll buy the set now.

Well, after hearing from others that can confirm it.

If you're concerned about replenishing it, maybe stop insulting people and just put your money where your mouth is and go stock up while they're still out there. I stocked up on the both the discontinued Citadel Washes and Vallejo Model Colour recently.

 Azazelx wrote:
If you're concerned about replenishing it, maybe stop insulting people and just put your money where your mouth is and go stock up

Edit to be less antagonistic: I literally have. I own 3+ of most of these AP colors, the dropper bottles

Money where my mouth is: DM me. I live in southern CA. For a decent price I'll buy the old AP speedpaints from you if you really hate them so much, if you REALLY feel "so swindled!" by this "dastardley" company!

So there's 1 person who likes reactivation. I'm pretty sure AP gets more money by selling to the rest of the world than by selling to you.

Gee. Companty wanting to make profit rather than be your personal paint supplier. Who would think?

It’s likely just a change to the cure time, as with most paints is just a timing thing.
Even desired in uses for a lot.

Even the videos demonstrating it never where showing the extremes some people where saying it went to.
User error is a big possibility with a paint like this, and in other places people seem to have little issue.

So hopefully it keeps the useful properties that it has, but sad if we lose them.

How odd that they removed reactivation when it was a feature, not a bug, by their own claims. Doesn't this make the new product worse than the old then?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
How odd that they removed reactivation when it was a feature, not a bug, by their own claims. Doesn't this make the new product worse than the old then?

It may, but there was some very vocal people, so they may be trying to make them happy. Is that bad? People say if they make the product better for them they would be happy.

I would be happy if more people are happy with the paint, but I will be sad if the property I enjoy and use becomes a issue :(

 Kalamadea wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
If you're concerned about replenishing it, maybe stop insulting people and just put your money where your mouth is and go stock up

Edit to be less antagonistic: I literally have. I own 3+ of most of these AP colors, the dropper bottles

Money where my mouth is: DM me. I live in southern CA. For a decent price I'll buy the old AP speedpaints from you if you really hate them so much, if you REALLY feel "so swindled!" by this "dastardley" company!

That's an edit to be less antagonistic? Stop being so dramatically immature, please.

I didn't buy the warpaints - I almost did, but luckily I saw the reviews that mentioned that they reactivate. I did get swindled by their reformated-to-gak Warpaints years ago, I'd happily sell those to you but I doubt you're interested in those.

My point is that you complaining that you can't use the ones you have because they'll run out one day is not the sympathy-gaining statement that you appeared to think it is. Plenty of bottles of Speedpaints with the formuation that you like should still be out there in the wild, so use your initiative and go buy them while you can. Buy a lifetime's supply. It's doable if you've got the cash and are willing to do a little work.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
How odd that they removed reactivation when it was a feature, not a bug, by their own claims. Doesn't this make the new product worse than the old then?

Doesn't really matter what they say or do, in the end internet memory is fickle and fades away fast.

Best of luck to them and who decides to invests in their paint ranges.

Apple fox wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
How odd that they removed reactivation when it was a feature, not a bug, by their own claims. Doesn't this make the new product worse than the old then?

It may, but there was some very vocal people, so they may be trying to make them happy. Is that bad? People say if they make the product better for them they would be happy.

I would be happy if more people are happy with the paint, but I will be sad if the property I enjoy and use becomes a issue :(

If we're being honest, the Speedpaints aren't supposed to be a new innovative product that reactivates. It's supposed to steal some of GW's market share for Contrast Paint. Just like Vallejo's version. If it doesn't act like Contrast in being colourfast, then it's not going to make them the money that they'd like. People can complain that it was "a few loud complainers" or what have you, but the product was shipped as "close enough" but not what it was supposed to be. How aware of the reactivation issue (or how much they thought it was "good enough") we'll likely never know unless working there now someone does a Peachy in a few years and spills the tea.

Again, I'd suggest buying up the colours you find most useful while you can still easily get them. It's entirely doable to get hold of a lifetime's supply of what you need with a bit of time, money and effort.





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I have several more of these. Specific paints from Vallejo Game Colour, etc - hell I even have these. (showing just the unopened ones).

I mean, I will be fine. I will adapt, I liked em since could do some great stuff that usually need to get out more troublesome paints for.

If they change I will likely use them, just differently.
It’s enjoyable to learn, and go though the process.

Sorry, if this was answered in the video (I'm older and prefer to read than sit in front of long videos), but if I go to a store and buy some, how will I know if it's older re-activates stuff od the newer formula? Have they changed the labels or something?

Also, on an non-speedpaint matter, there's been several AP colours I've used over GW/Vallejo. These were the 3 main silver/metal colours, black and white.
I recently replaced my black and white and they seem to now be an awfully thick toothpaste consitency. Did I get a bad batch or have these changed?

 Gimgamgoo wrote:
Sorry, if this was answered in the video (I'm older and prefer to read than sit in front of long videos), but if I go to a store and buy some, how will I know if it's older re-activates stuff od the newer formula? Have they changed the labels or something?

Also, on an non-speedpaint matter, there's been several AP colours I've used over GW/Vallejo. These were the 3 main silver/metal colours, black and white.
I recently replaced my black and white and they seem to now be an awfully thick toothpaste consitency. Did I get a bad batch or have these changed?

I don’t know if they have said yet, but I suspect a change to the label. Depending on how different it could be phased in.


Could also be lose bottle and some evaporated water, if you can ad some water in often it can thin it out if that is a issue. Won’t need much at all, and shake it well. Normally I find that’s the most likely cause if the paint itself is good.

have I got this right..

Speed Paint one was the best thing since slide kittens, but some, but not all sometimes reactivated..

this resulted in "thats intentional" and an almost Apple "you are using it wrong!"

and now they have release Speed Paint Two, which "fixed" what they insisted was intentional behaviour?

friend locally used the first lot, he worked around the reactivation by mucking with the order of painting to apply colours that did it last, the stuff looks decent, but it looks like its a thick wash/stain over a light base. does the job though

just seems a bit like a company introduced a new phone, sorry paint, that didn't work if you held it wrong, sorry applied it wrong while all the time saying nothing was wrong and then some people got upset, and some others got upset some were not upset.

if you like it use it, if you don't don't, seems too many are trying to make click bait videos for you turnip and making a molehill out of a mountain

or something

Apple fox wrote:
It’s likely just a change to the cure time...

Which is what I assumed when they showed that they sat for two hours before testing for reactivation.

Will the new formula be marked any differently than the original formula? I haven’t done much painting with them, but when I did I really enjoyed how some of the colors came out (and not so much others). I had some minor reactivation woes, but nothing that stands out from my already lackluster painting technique.

 Kalamadea wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
If you're concerned about replenishing it, maybe stop insulting people and just put your money where your mouth is and go stock up

Edit to be less antagonistic: I literally have. I own 3+ of most of these AP colors, the dropper bottles

Money where my mouth is: DM me. I live in southern CA. For a decent price I'll buy the old AP speedpaints from you if you really hate them so much, if you REALLY feel "so swindled!" by this "dastardley" company!

I’m in Orange County. I have one of the small starters, if you want it. I’d be looking to trade for the new formulation speedpaints or MSRP cash so I can buy the new formulation speedpaints. I’ve only used my speedpaints for a handful of minis, the ones I posted earlier in the thread. Let me know if you are interested.

leopard wrote:
friend locally used the first lot, he worked around the reactivation by mucking with the order of painting to apply colours that did it last, the stuff looks decent, but it looks like its a thick wash/stain over a light base. does the job though

I have done a similar thing where I use AP blue on my Tyranids, because it settles into the crevices more easily than Contrasts... but because of reactivation I do the blue last and use GW Contrast for the bone, GW Contrast for the red, and only use the AP on the blue armour as my last step so I don't have to worry about reactivation.

But I do hope they get rid of the activation without adversely affecting the levelling properties. AP absolutely levels better than GW's contrast, which makes it better suited to many tasks where it's harder to avoid splotchiness and coffee stains. But the reactivation and also the bleeding into other surrounding colours has meant I rarely use the AP stuff. Also the AP seems to have duller colours, so some areas where I want a more vibrant end result I'll reach for GW.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

leopard wrote:
friend locally used the first lot, he worked around the reactivation by mucking with the order of painting to apply colours that did it last, the stuff looks decent, but it looks like its a thick wash/stain over a light base. does the job though

I have done a similar thing where I use AP blue on my Tyranids, because it settles into the crevices more easily than Contrasts... but because of reactivation I do the blue last and use GW Contrast for the bone, GW Contrast for the red, and only use the AP on the blue armour as my last step so I don't have to worry about reactivation.

But I do hope they get rid of the activation without adversely affecting the levelling properties. AP absolutely levels better than GW's contrast, which makes it better suited to many tasks where it's harder to avoid splotchiness and coffee stains. But the reactivation and also the bleeding into other surrounding colours has meant I rarely use the AP stuff. Also the AP seems to have duller colours, so some areas where I want a more vibrant end result I'll reach for GW.

A good way to get more vibrant colours is using one over another, can get some very nice results.
But can be a pain remembering the exact ratio if you do something really great, then two months later have to recreate it.
I Need a good notes app for painting.

Apple fox wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

leopard wrote:
friend locally used the first lot, he worked around the reactivation by mucking with the order of painting to apply colours that did it last, the stuff looks decent, but it looks like its a thick wash/stain over a light base. does the job though

I have done a similar thing where I use AP blue on my Tyranids, because it settles into the crevices more easily than Contrasts... but because of reactivation I do the blue last and use GW Contrast for the bone, GW Contrast for the red, and only use the AP on the blue armour as my last step so I don't have to worry about reactivation.

But I do hope they get rid of the activation without adversely affecting the levelling properties. AP absolutely levels better than GW's contrast, which makes it better suited to many tasks where it's harder to avoid splotchiness and coffee stains. But the reactivation and also the bleeding into other surrounding colours has meant I rarely use the AP stuff. Also the AP seems to have duller colours, so some areas where I want a more vibrant end result I'll reach for GW.

A good way to get more vibrant colours is using one over another, can get some very nice results.
But can be a pain remembering the exact ratio if you do something really great, then two months later have to recreate it.
I Need a good notes app for painting.

I literally just have a text file that I open in notepad to record how I painted certain things Sometimes I forget to write it down though.

But yeah, with the dullness thing, I tried using AP paints over metals for some Thousand Sons or Alpha Legion style schemes but they end up looking very washed out (even with a coat of gloss varnish to bring back the shine).

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Apple fox wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

leopard wrote:
friend locally used the first lot, he worked around the reactivation by mucking with the order of painting to apply colours that did it last, the stuff looks decent, but it looks like its a thick wash/stain over a light base. does the job though

I have done a similar thing where I use AP blue on my Tyranids, because it settles into the crevices more easily than Contrasts... but because of reactivation I do the blue last and use GW Contrast for the bone, GW Contrast for the red, and only use the AP on the blue armour as my last step so I don't have to worry about reactivation.

But I do hope they get rid of the activation without adversely affecting the levelling properties. AP absolutely levels better than GW's contrast, which makes it better suited to many tasks where it's harder to avoid splotchiness and coffee stains. But the reactivation and also the bleeding into other surrounding colours has meant I rarely use the AP stuff. Also the AP seems to have duller colours, so some areas where I want a more vibrant end result I'll reach for GW.

A good way to get more vibrant colours is using one over another, can get some very nice results.
But can be a pain remembering the exact ratio if you do something really great, then two months later have to recreate it.
I Need a good notes app for painting.

I literally just have a text file that I open in notepad to record how I painted certain things Sometimes I forget to write it down though.

But yeah, with the dullness thing, I tried using AP paints over metals for some Thousand Sons or Alpha Legion style schemes but they end up looking very washed out (even with a coat of gloss varnish to bring back the shine).

I haven’t try those specific colours, but I have found purple Alchemy looks nice with the super bright silver from reaper. Do first a heavy dry brush, then PA, then dry brush again over the top. Very light.
If I ever get thousand sons or alpha legion I will have to try!

I mostly use it for Camo or hair, then acrylic over the top. Skin as well is very exciting to do.

I was using a writing app that gave really easy to ad photos, but I got lazy at taking the photos.

I don't really find I need photos for keeping track of my painting, I just do something like...



And I'll just have a file, for example, for all my Blood Bowl models, and another for all my Epic models, so that way it's pretty easy to find how I painted different models and don't really need a photo to remind me.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

leopard wrote:
friend locally used the first lot, he worked around the reactivation by mucking with the order of painting to apply colours that did it last, the stuff looks decent, but it looks like its a thick wash/stain over a light base. does the job though

I have done a similar thing where I use AP blue on my Tyranids, because it settles into the crevices more easily than Contrasts... but because of reactivation I do the blue last and use GW Contrast for the bone, GW Contrast for the red, and only use the AP on the blue armour as my last step so I don't have to worry about reactivation.

But I do hope they get rid of the activation without adversely affecting the levelling properties. AP absolutely levels better than GW's contrast, which makes it better suited to many tasks where it's harder to avoid splotchiness and coffee stains. But the reactivation and also the bleeding into other surrounding colours has meant I rarely use the AP stuff. Also the AP seems to have duller colours, so some areas where I want a more vibrant end result I'll reach for GW.

sounds about right

have found with GW contrast, cut it 50-50 or 25-75 with the medium and the splotchyness goes away, obviously a thinner colour though not hard to add a second or third layer to get more intensity where required

nice change from the washes where the GW ones feel like VMC washes that have already been diluted.

Thinning GW contrast with a lot of medium, to me that's more a technique if I'm trying to paint something carefully, not so much if I'm trying to paint something quickly. Like, it's not hard to add a 2nd or 3rd layer, but it turns my 15 minute paint job into a 30 or 45 minute paint job

 Azazelx wrote:


Again, I'd suggest buying up the colours you find most useful while you can still easily get them. It's entirely doable to get hold of a lifetime's supply of what you need with a bit of time, money and effort.

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You know something I dont about GW ink stocks? Are those due to be discontinued colours? That is a lot of pots.

 Azazelx wrote:

I have several more of these. Specific paints from Vallejo Game Colour, etc - hell I even have these. (showing just the unopened ones).

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I have those also, and in about the same numbers including open ones, and the round pots that preceded them. Next to none of them have tried out and they still work fine. The pots they replaced them with, all failed within a short period of time, and the range used to replace those right forward to the paint redesign.
Those hex pots are much valued for good reason.


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AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I don't really find I need photos for keeping track of my painting, I just do something like...

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Skaven Thrower:

Skin/fur: 50/50 P3 brown ink to Vallejo Game Ink Skin Wash over a Gunze 1500 primer, pick out face/hands/tail with cadian fleshtone, highlight face/hands with kislev flesh.

Metals: 50/50 Leadbelcher and Balthasar Gold, wash Dark Tone, highlight scratchily with Runefang Steel.

Claws/teeth: Steel legion drab, , wash dark tone, highlight rakarth/steel legion mix, add in white for final edge highlight

Eys: Mephiston -> blood -> Orange fire -> tamiya clear red

Green cloth: basecoat Luftwaffe Camo Green, highlight 50:50 LCG:Iosan Green, highlight Iosan Green, edge highlight 1:1:1 Vallejo Green Grey 886:Iosan:Necrotic Green, mix in a bit of white for final edge highlight.

Yellow Armour: Averland Sunset base, wash Vallejo Sepia Shade Wash, touch up Averland, mix in white for edge highlights.

And I'll just have a file, for example, for all my Blood Bowl models, and another for all my Epic models, so that way it's pretty easy to find how I painted different models and don't really need a photo to remind me.

I have a notebook to do just that. It is most useful for jobs I go back to, add to, if repairs are needed, for forward planning of new projects, or if I do something right and want to remember it.