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An Ares almost always gives you zero WWSWF.
   
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I'll take 1st turn obliteration of almost anything my opponent stupidly forgets to screen, over WWSWF. This game/edition is won or lost in the first turn again now, and I can't plan for maybe if my units are really beaten up in the third round I can pop X strategem. The with -1 to hit, a 4++ and 22 wounds, it should make it to at least the second turn, and by the third turn it should have earned it's points back and seriously sent your opponent into serious disarray. Goodhammer has said in videos on list building they are basically must take in high level games.
   
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FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
I'll take 1st turn obliteration of almost anything my opponent stupidly forgets to screen, over WWSWF. This game/edition is won or lost in the first turn again now, and I can't plan for maybe if my units are really beaten up in the third round I can pop X strategem. The with -1 to hit, a 4++ and 22 wounds, it should make it to at least the second turn, and by the third turn it should have earned it's points back and seriously sent your opponent into serious disarray. Goodhammer has said in videos on list building they are basically must take in high level games.

But it doesn't have a 4++? It has a 5++.

And as for destroying stuff turn 1 you've got 8x S7 AP-2 D1 and d3x S14 AP-4 Dd3+6 shots vs 16x S7 AP-3 D2 and 10-20x S5 AP-1 D1 shots, not to mention the fact that you'll likely be able to get re-roll 1s to hit (and 1s to wound with Trajann) for the Telemons whilst the Ares has to fly off to the centre of the board.

Two Telemons easily outclass one Ares in terms of shooting, survivability and objective scoring. There's no contest.

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All the while, my opponent is furious, throwing his codex on the floor, trying to slash his wrists with safety scissors.
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FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
I'll take 1st turn obliteration of almost anything my opponent stupidly forgets to screen, over WWSWF. This game/edition is won or lost in the first turn again now, and I can't plan for maybe if my units are really beaten up in the third round I can pop X strategem. The with -1 to hit, a 4++ and 22 wounds, it should make it to at least the second turn, and by the third turn it should have earned it's points back and seriously sent your opponent into serious disarray. Goodhammer has said in videos on list building they are basically must take in high level games.


I like Goons but I'm not sure they're super great for high end competitive lately. The Art of War guys never bring an Ares and the call is usually between 2 or 3 Telemons (Lennon takes 2, Siegler has taken 3).
   
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 mrhappyface wrote:
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
I'll take 1st turn obliteration of almost anything my opponent stupidly forgets to screen, over WWSWF. This game/edition is won or lost in the first turn again now, and I can't plan for maybe if my units are really beaten up in the third round I can pop X strategem. The with -1 to hit, a 4++ and 22 wounds, it should make it to at least the second turn, and by the third turn it should have earned it's points back and seriously sent your opponent into serious disarray. Goodhammer has said in videos on list building they are basically must take in high level games.

But it doesn't have a 4++? It has a 5++.

And as for destroying stuff turn 1 you've got 8x S7 AP-2 D1 and d3x S14 AP-4 Dd3+6 shots vs 16x S7 AP-3 D2 and 10-20x S5 AP-1 D1 shots, not to mention the fact that you'll likely be able to get re-roll 1s to hit (and 1s to wound with Trajann) for the Telemons whilst the Ares has to fly off to the centre of the board.

Two Telemons easily outclass one Ares in terms of shooting, survivability and objective scoring. There's no contest.


Thank you for the correction, 5++, not 4.

It's also got -1 to hit, but you are right, it's just a flying Shadow Sword. I just don't want to admit I wasted the money....
   
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FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
 mrhappyface wrote:
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
I'll take 1st turn obliteration of almost anything my opponent stupidly forgets to screen, over WWSWF. This game/edition is won or lost in the first turn again now, and I can't plan for maybe if my units are really beaten up in the third round I can pop X strategem. The with -1 to hit, a 4++ and 22 wounds, it should make it to at least the second turn, and by the third turn it should have earned it's points back and seriously sent your opponent into serious disarray. Goodhammer has said in videos on list building they are basically must take in high level games.

But it doesn't have a 4++? It has a 5++.

And as for destroying stuff turn 1 you've got 8x S7 AP-2 D1 and d3x S14 AP-4 Dd3+6 shots vs 16x S7 AP-3 D2 and 10-20x S5 AP-1 D1 shots, not to mention the fact that you'll likely be able to get re-roll 1s to hit (and 1s to wound with Trajann) for the Telemons whilst the Ares has to fly off to the centre of the board.

Two Telemons easily outclass one Ares in terms of shooting, survivability and objective scoring. There's no contest.


Thank you for the correction, 5++, not 4.

It's also got -1 to hit, but you are right, it's just a flying Shadow Sword. I just don't want to admit I wasted the money....


A guy just got 5th at Red River with a Fire Raptor
I'm sure there are ways to make it work.


So I've been thinking on this.

Use the Ares as a transport popper into DE matchups. It can probably get one or two, haven't run the math. Use two Pallas to clean out the inside (much more positional than Telemons). Take 2 big bricks (8+) of sword+board to WWSWF with the Ares. T1, drop the Ares to Hover Mode if they lack strong shooting. If they don't, fly off the board every other turn. Dare them to focus it. Grab 50%+1 objectives, camp hard.

Take WWSWF, Domination and then map specific or Scramblers (if we can fit some Venatarii in there, I haven't checked points yet).

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FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Thank you for the correction, 5++, not 4.

It's also got -1 to hit, but you are right, it's just a flying Shadow Sword. I just don't want to admit I wasted the money....

No money is wasted if it's cool and you can still play it in casual games. I mean, I own all of the FW exalted Daemon Lords and it definitely doesn't hurt me deep down that they're all slightly buffed versions of the regular greater Daemons for 2-3x the points

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 Marmatag wrote:
All the while, my opponent is furious, throwing his codex on the floor, trying to slash his wrists with safety scissors.
"It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so f***ing what." - Stephen Fry
 
   
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 mrhappyface wrote:
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Thank you for the correction, 5++, not 4.

It's also got -1 to hit, but you are right, it's just a flying Shadow Sword. I just don't want to admit I wasted the money....

No money is wasted if it's cool and you can still play it in casual games. I mean, I own all of the FW exalted Daemon Lords and it definitely doesn't hurt me deep down that they're all slightly buffed versions of the regular greater Daemons for 2-3x the points


I've always hated how the next wave of updates for FW really gutted the FW centerpiece models barring a few exceptions. You would never take any titan over the stuff you have now, especially with how objectives work, so even if you scale for 3000+ games, titans may as well not exist barring for Apocalypse, which I guess was the point.
   
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 Grimskul wrote:
 mrhappyface wrote:
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Thank you for the correction, 5++, not 4.

It's also got -1 to hit, but you are right, it's just a flying Shadow Sword. I just don't want to admit I wasted the money....

No money is wasted if it's cool and you can still play it in casual games. I mean, I own all of the FW exalted Daemon Lords and it definitely doesn't hurt me deep down that they're all slightly buffed versions of the regular greater Daemons for 2-3x the points


I've always hated how the next wave of updates for FW really gutted the FW centerpiece models barring a few exceptions. You would never take any titan over the stuff you have now, especially with how objectives work, so even if you scale for 3000+ games, titans may as well not exist barring for Apocalypse, which I guess was the point.


Yeah, I think all of the titans could use with a good 30% point cut, minimum. Even then they wouldn't be "competitive" in most metas.
   
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 cuda1179 wrote:
Yeah, I think all of the titans could use with a good 30% point cut, minimum. Even then they wouldn't be "competitive" in most metas.

I don't even want a price cut for the big FW 'apocalypse only' units, like if they wanna keep those units out of regular games fine, whatever. What I want is for those units to have some cool, stupid overpowered rules that make them both fun to use in apocalypse and worth the price tag. None of this crap they're doing with all the Chaos stuff where they've dropped all the points down and taken away all the cool rules but they're still too expensive and no longer fun to play.

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The moral of the story: Don't park your Imperial Knight in a field of Gretchin carrying power tools.
 Marmatag wrote:
All the while, my opponent is furious, throwing his codex on the floor, trying to slash his wrists with safety scissors.
"It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so f***ing what." - Stephen Fry
 
   
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Titans shouldn't be in 40k, it's bad enough having ~500 point models that warp the game to the very edge of what the d6 system can handle. If they want to start issuing rules without point values that can only be used in narrative play I have no problem with that, but GW doesn't seem to be big on fragmenting their game that way.

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Oh man, I prolly shouldn't mention my idea for Custodes Knights then...

I would love GW to bring back the Horus Heresy (?) models where they had giant mechanical tigers as mounts? That was Custodes right? I swear I saw a book cover or something that had them on giant cats.
   
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FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
Oh man, I prolly shouldn't mention my idea for Custodes Knights then...

I would love GW to bring back the Horus Heresy (?) models where they had giant mechanical tigers as mounts? That was Custodes right? I swear I saw a book cover or something that had them on giant cats.


I believe Horus Heresy Custodes can field this:

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Psi-Titan

Might be wrong though.
   
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You mean this?

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4623772

Thats an STL with the models made after the image you're probably referring to

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I think you may have it, but I am not well versed in HH models, I'll just admit I likely saw a fan fic and call it good. I am just hoping we get some new form of vehicle. Maybe venerable repulsors?
   
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What would a repulsor do that a calladius/coronus cant and how should it be venerable? Venerable usually means ancient. Repulsors are at the current timeline... depending on manufacture date, mayhaps a few centuries old where they sat in a parking lot, powered down and covered in a white, neutral sheet

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If GW ever decides to make a plastic transport/tank for us I sincerely hope it has a similar design to the coronus/caladius. They have a very distinct look that fits the custodes very well. A blinged up repulsor wouldn't fit into the aesthetic of the golden boys at all.
Besides, why would our guys need these new flying bricks cawl designed when we have our own anti grav tech that is actually older...and more sophisticated.

What I desperately want to see is 40k rules for the kharon pattern aquisitor. Such a unique vehicle that fits the sisters really well.

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Tiberias wrote:
If GW ever decides to make a plastic transport/tank for us I sincerely hope it has a similar design to the coronus/caladius. They have a very distinct look that fits the custodes very well. A blinged up repulsor wouldn't fit into the aesthetic of the golden boys at all.
Besides, why would our guys need these new flying bricks cawl designed when we have our own anti grav tech that is actually older...and more sophisticated.

What I desperately want to see is 40k rules for the kharon pattern aquisitor. Such a unique vehicle that fits the sisters really well.


I just want jetbike sisters :( Then they'll finally be fast enough (and a smidge tougher) to actually stop the things you really want to stop, psychically (rather than getting kited and shot by small arms fire).
   
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Audustum wrote:
Tiberias wrote:
If GW ever decides to make a plastic transport/tank for us I sincerely hope it has a similar design to the coronus/caladius. They have a very distinct look that fits the custodes very well. A blinged up repulsor wouldn't fit into the aesthetic of the golden boys at all.
Besides, why would our guys need these new flying bricks cawl designed when we have our own anti grav tech that is actually older...and more sophisticated.

What I desperately want to see is 40k rules for the kharon pattern aquisitor. Such a unique vehicle that fits the sisters really well.


I just want jetbike sisters :( Then they'll finally be fast enough (and a smidge tougher) to actually stop the things you really want to stop, psychically (rather than getting kited and shot by small arms fire).


I'm not very optimistic for jetbike sisters, though I'd love to be wrong, but I can't see gw going in that direction. We can be happy if we even get a generic sisters HQ besides Aleya.

But what if the kharon pattern aquisitor actually got 40k rules and somehow amplifies the null powers of the sisters sitting inside. Now that would be actually useful.
   
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It'd be great if they put the 30k sisters transport in and gave sisters a rules rework at the same time to be less niche and more generally useful.
   
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They do have jetpack sisters in 30k in the fluff. Dont think they ever released the models but they had dropped word of them in one of the HH books.

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At this point I think that it is almost guaranteed that Sisters of Silence will be included in our new rulebook.

Predictions about our new codex:

Points and rules shuffling.
SoS included, and a new unit or two for them.
New Custodes character OR unit, but not both.
   
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So your predictions are new points, maybe a new character, and sisters are part of Custodes. Well boys, I think we are done here, the mystery has been solved!

All joking aside, I just want a plastic tank/transport that isn't a complete joke. I know we don't have centuries old Repulsors, but that was the basis for my point. Some form of Repulsor tech (We know the Custodes have it) in a transport, that isn't 400 points and is plastic. I would love a 200 point transport with fly, almost no guns, and the ability to transport up to 6 infantry, or 3 terminators. A Venerable flying Razorback?

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They could phase out the current Land Raider and give us the one custodes actually use, which has fly and an invun. mabey make it with a crusader weapon layout using Lastrum ammo (+1 strength and AP) and stick a Multi-melta on top.

It would be worth 300pts if they did that.


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 Eihnlazer wrote:
They could phase out the current Land Raider and give us the one custodes actually use, which has fly and an invun. mabey make it with a crusader weapon layout using Lastrum ammo (+1 strength and AP) and stick a Multi-melta on top.

It would be worth 300pts if they did that.


I imagine that the Land Raider and basic contemptor will remain the red headed step children of the Custodes army once our Codex is released: we don't exactly have enough units for them to start removing any, even if they do add a couple more.

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 Marmatag wrote:
All the while, my opponent is furious, throwing his codex on the floor, trying to slash his wrists with safety scissors.
"It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so f***ing what." - Stephen Fry
 
   
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FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So your predictions are new points, maybe a new character, and sisters are part of Custodes. Well boys, I think we are done here, the mystery has been solved!

?


I'm just saying that if anyone is holding their breath for a more expansive Custodes rollout they are going to be disappointed. We'll be getting the (almost) minimal treatment.
   
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 cuda1179 wrote:
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
So your predictions are new points, maybe a new character, and sisters are part of Custodes. Well boys, I think we are done here, the mystery has been solved!

?


I'm just saying that if anyone is holding their breath for a more expansive Custodes rollout they are going to be disappointed. We'll be getting the (almost) minimal treatment.


I wouldn't be too pessimistic. Custodes are very popular. They are a good starting faction and are easy to paint and play, but have a very high skill ceiling both in regards to painting and gameplay.
Wouldn't be bad business decision if gw were to support custodes and sisters a bit more in terms of model releases. And let's be honest...thats the deciding factor.
   
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Question to the Custodes players out there that like to convert Stormcast (yes I know this is better for the modeling section). The pics of the new Stormcast Annihilators look pretty nice. I want to convert one when they are released. Do you think they look bulky enough for a terminator, or are they more power armor?
   
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I don't see us getting a new Uber vehicle, those only ever come from FW. I do see us perhaps gaining some viability through the Contemptor loadout spru. Allow Custodes to go with the non-Venerable loadouts. Like the Relic one with the special beam gun, and the plasma cannons.

Also, just saying, if they gave a special Custodes name to the Kheres Cannon, and made is special, they could make it heavy 6 at 36" S7 AP2 d2, and overnight that becomes a good dakkabot for the cost. Make it able to take that and the Multi-melta and It's worth the cost?
   
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Right now given the changes in 9th, I'm honestly wondering if giving our spears and axes the ability to do MWs on X rolls, wouldn't be broken?

Also a Stratgem that limits melee attacks by Y factor. Not wounds, just attacks.
   
 
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