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This may sound silly, but can powerfists hold onto stuff while the disruptor field is active without crushing it? I mean, I know they can always turn the field off when not in combat, of course, but what about in the thick of it? Could a guard officer fire a bolter with an active powerfist without sort of crumpling the bolter? Could a space marine captain open a door, or would the knob (and possibly the door) just explode in his hand?

I mean, it's a weapon, right? So when armed, it's not designed to be safe...




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Nope.

The powerfield destroys physical matter by destabilizing their molecular bonds. The fist not only has massive hydraulic or pneumatic actuators that allow someone wearing it to crush armored skulls like grapes, but the powerfield its sheathed in actually causes things to basically disintegrate.

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It does make you wonder how they are switched on and off?

Using the other hand wouldn't makes sense, as the other hand might be a lightning claw. Having someone else turn it on is probably impractical. Voice activation wouldn't make sense in a noisy environment like a battle, and HUD would require the wearer to have their helmet on.

This would indicate to me that the switch is either on (or in) the palm of the fist somewhere, so that it can be switched on my the hand wearing it. Though I can see this being problematic as it might be too easy to press by mistake with fighting or holding things.

Another option would be that it is activated through the neural-pathways like power armour. If that were the case it would make it very easy to switch the field on and off at will. So maybe grabbing a doorknob wouldn't be an issue. Though I think half the fun of wearing a powerfist would be getting to smash your way through doors.
   
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 Smacks wrote:


Another option would be that it is activated through the neural-pathways like power armour. If that were the case it would make it very easy to switch the field on and off at will. So maybe grabbing a doorknob wouldn't be an issue. Though I think half the fun of wearing a powerfist would be getting to smash your way through doors.


Though I would love to see someone with an 'off' powerfist try to ever so gently open a door.

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Probably done by a control inside the glove itself (operated by the hand inside the powerfist), or through a neural induction pad plastered to the side of your head or elsewhere on your body, think just the right thought, or move your arm in just the right way, and it turns off and/or on.

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Afaik many things the Marines have are controlled mentally. This is probably one of them.

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Well, I was under the impression that the crushing power of the powerfist had more to do with the disruptor field than the gauntlet. I thought the servo motors and stuff were there to bear the massive weight of the extra-large disruptor field generator (and to move the fingers) and less because they make the fist extra-punchy.

I'd always assumed that a power fist had more gripping power than a regular person's grip by scale, rather than by scope.

And yeah, I'd assume that there's a switch inside the glove, even if it's something as simple as giving a thumbs up is the "key" to turn the generator off, or something.

Also, is there a model of a mini with a powerfist holding on to anything with said fist? Like a space marine captain with a fist holding his bolter in the fist hand and pointing with the other?



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 Ailaros wrote:
Also, is there a model of a mini with a powerfist holding on to anything with said fist? Like a space marine captain with a fist holding his bolter in the fist hand and pointing with the other?




I would assume it is off though, as he has his helmet off and looks to not be battle ready.

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 Psienesis wrote:
or move your arm in just the right way, and it turns off and/or on.


Ever since they changed the name from Power Glove to Power Fist I've assumed it powered up when a fist was made and powered down when the hand was opened with any uber-crushyness coming purely from the fact its a massive mechanical hand.

 
   
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There is also this figure...
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This one might be more applicable, as it's actually during a battle so you would expect the fist to be switched on, yet the ork's helmet seems intact.

Though this figure is based on the original 1st edition cover art from like 26 years ago. The concept of the power fist and what it would likely do to an orks head, might not have been fully fleshed out back then. However GW did produce the mini as it is, so we can assume they don't have any big issue with it conceptually.


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Looks more like that model is in a post-battle pose for the latest edition of "Aquilas and Boltershells". Kneeling off-camera is a film crew with Space Marines marching by, the director shouting "Keep marching! Keep marching! Don't look at me!"

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 Gashrog wrote:
 Psienesis wrote:
or move your arm in just the right way, and it turns off and/or on.


Ever since they changed the name from Power Glove to Power Fist I've assumed it powered up when a fist was made and powered down when the hand was opened with any uber-crushyness coming purely from the fact its a massive mechanical hand.


That makes sense. The fist is meant to used for punching.
You don't see marines bitch-slapping heretics, after all

I mean, can you imagine Calgar pimp slapping an Avatar? That would be silly.

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 Jape wrote:
I would love to see someone with an 'off' powerfist try to ever so gently open a door.


Terminators can reload their weapons while wearing powerfists on the other hand, so opening a door shouldn't be too hard (as long as it's not made of balsa wood). There was a WD one-page story with a squad of termies making ready to teleport into battle, and one of the things the Chaplain giving them the last prep talk noted was how easily and precisely Brother whatsisname slipped magazines into his stormbolter with the switched-off power fist.
   
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When Calgar lifted the Necron pylon, his power fists left grooves in the living metal, so no, I don't think holding something while their field was active would work.
   
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 Smacks wrote:
It does make you wonder how they are switched on and off?

Using the other hand wouldn't makes sense, as the other hand might be a lightning claw. Having someone else turn it on is probably impractical. Voice activation wouldn't make sense in a noisy environment like a battle, and HUD would require the wearer to have their helmet on.

This would indicate to me that the switch is either on (or in) the palm of the fist somewhere, so that it can be switched on my the hand wearing it. Though I can see this being problematic as it might be too easy to press by mistake with fighting or holding things.

Another option would be that it is activated through the neural-pathways like power armour. If that were the case it would make it very easy to switch the field on and off at will. So maybe grabbing a doorknob wouldn't be an issue. Though I think half the fun of wearing a powerfist would be getting to smash your way through doors.


They do it with a thought pulse. In many of the BL books they describe how many of the suits functions are operated by a mind impulse from the marine.

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 Psienesis wrote:
Ya got ta keep ya pimp-hand strong...


Real men fap with activated powerfists.

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 BrotherHaraldus wrote:
 Psienesis wrote:
Ya got ta keep ya pimp-hand strong...


Real men fap with activated powerfists.


Pfft that's wussy stuff.

Wankin' with a lightning claw is the 'ard 'n proppa way.

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 Ailaros wrote:
This may sound silly, but can powerfists hold onto stuff while the disruptor field is active without crushing it? I mean, I know they can always turn the field off when not in combat, of course, but what about in the thick of it? Could a guard officer fire a bolter with an active powerfist without sort of crumpling the bolter? Could a space marine captain open a door, or would the knob (and possibly the door) just explode in his hand?

I mean, it's a weapon, right? So when armed, it's not designed to be safe...





You couldn't fire a bolter using one with the power field off, lol. Have you seen a power fist? It's fething big.
   
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Oh I don't know, he does specify Guard Officer, a regular human sized powerfist might be the right size for the wearer to use an Astartes bolt gun.

 
   
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I was actually assuming that the non-powerfist hand would be the one pulling the trigger. I was more wondering if you could fire the weapon with one hand and then hold it with the other.

And I fap with a chainfist, thank you very much. If you can't avail yourself through a concrete bunker, you're doing it wrong.





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I understand that thunder hammers do not have active power fields, eviscerators do not have active power fields, power klaws do not have active power fields, force staves do not have active power fields, and that any ideas of punching with a power fist are the mall-people version of the setting.

The most important example of a big gauntlet with power fields is the Talon of Horus, which is not a power fist. I don't think you need to worry about power fields because not all things that ignore armor are "power fields."

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 Ailaros wrote:
This may sound silly, but can powerfists hold onto stuff while the disruptor field is active without crushing it? I mean, I know they can always turn the field off when not in combat, of course, but what about in the thick of it? Could a guard officer fire a bolter with an active powerfist without sort of crumpling the bolter? Could a space marine captain open a door, or would the knob (and possibly the door) just explode in his hand?

I mean, it's a weapon, right? So when armed, it's not designed to be safe...




In the book Storm of Iron, one of the characters punches a sorcerer with a deactivated power fist, and then says 'next time the power field will be on' so yes, you can activate/deactivate the power fist though I'm not sure you could strictly open a door with a giant metal fist...

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Thunder Hammers only activate their Force Fields when they hit something, right? Maybe Powerfists are similar.

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It woukd be impractical for them to not be able to turn them off. A powerful has a field that's turned on like any other powered weapon. Ive read plenty of stories of marines doing things with all the powered weapons with the fields off. And like already mentioned in many stories the systems are turned off and on my mind pulses.
   
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Thunderfists only got cuncussive when they hit something, I thought. As in, a powerfist, except when it makes contact it then releases another burst of energy.

I guess one way of framing the question is what would happen, ruleswise in game, if you had a deactivated powerfist. Would it become a "Sx2 Ap-" weapon, or would it become a close combat weapon?



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I always viewed the armor crushing and strength enhancement of a PF to be a combination of the power field and the servos.

The power field is more of an enhancer than what does the actual damage. The field only makes it easier for the fist/sword/whatever to pass through or crush the matter its attacking, it doesn't do nearly all the work.

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 Ailaros wrote:
Thunderfists only got cuncussive when they hit something, I thought. As in, a powerfist, except when it makes contact it then releases another burst of energy.

I guess one way of framing the question is what would happen, ruleswise in game, if you had a deactivated powerfist. Would it become a "Sx2 Ap-" weapon, or would it


How about this way of framing: what happens, ruleswise, if you had a deactivated ork power klaw, or an eviscerator with a deactivated powerfield?

They are both Sx2 ap2, because they don't have power fields in the first place. A power fist with a deactivated power field is Sx2 ap2.


become a close combat weapon?


It would probably still have the unwieldy and specialist weapon rules, no matter what else happens, so it is still a funny sort of close combat weapon.

   
 
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