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Hi folks,
I've been wondering - it feels to me at times that I'm the only person who regularly fields a Wraithseer in their Eldar force.

A bit over 200pts depending on Wargear, it's a fair investment - but good lord do you get some great bang for your buck:

- The obvious is that he's a souped up Wraithlord - with T8, 3+/5++, it takes a hell of a lot of firepower to bring him down.
- Add to the above, his psychic ability to provide a 4+ FNP to himself (or another wraith unit) - you have a model who I've had shot at countless times, but has never fallen to ranged fire
- Re-rolls to all his melee hits, +1 vehicle damage and Str 10, thanks to his uber spear
- Just keeping him at arms length isn't even an issue - since he has the option to field a D-Cannon on his shoulder!
- Passive ability to decrease the cover save of the enemy being shot at by Wraith models

He clearly has weaknesses, such as tarpitting with poison units or high init monsters with instant death weapons - but as long as you're sensible you can keep him protected from there. In most of my games, he either cuts a great swathe through the enemy or works wonders at coralling the opponent to where I want him to go - so why is he so rare? Is it just because he's Forgeworld? Or am I just looking at him with rose tinted specs, and he's overcosted for what he delivers?

He also has an extra wound over a regular wraithlord too right?

I have a friend who uses him and he's pretty good. I think people don't use him for two reasons:
1. He's a FW model
2. Jetbike farseers are broken as anything

He was awesome for me on most occasions. However i believe that's the old rules your using. Yeah just checked that it is definitely the old rules. He no longer gets 4+FNP. Also his wraithcannon is a misprint its no longer a d-cannon its the same gun as the normal wraith-guard now. For 40pts it makes that gun unusable now and my group wont accept it without an FAQ which they pretty much seem to have stopped doing. I now just use mine as a fancy wraithlord. :-(

Vanquishers with beast hunter shells.

Monstrous creatures no longer concern me.

kryczek wrote:
He was awesome for me on most occasions. However i believe that's the old rules your using. Yeah just checked that it is definitely the old rules. He no longer gets 4+FNP. Also his wraithcannon is a misprint its no longer a d-cannon its the same gun as the normal wraith-guard now. For 40pts it makes that gun unusable now and my group wont accept it without an FAQ which they pretty much seem to have stopped doing. I now just use mine as a fancy wraithlord. :-(

Nope, latest rules. An FAQ has been out for him for a long time - look for the Psychers FAQ on Forgeworld where his powers have been updated for 6th ed, including 4+ FNP.

Not sure where you got the idea of a misprint from for the D-Cannon; it's listed as such in Imperial Armour Reloaded (latest edition to field the Wraithseer), the model is that of a D-Cannon, and the forgeworld entry for the model even makes reference to him "being armed with a deadly D-Cannon".


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 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Vanquishers with beast hunter shells.

Monstrous creatures no longer concern me.

What do beast hunter shells do?

 MIKEtheMERCILESS wrote:

kryczek wrote:
He was awesome for me on most occasions. However i believe that's the old rules your using. Yeah just checked that it is definitely the old rules. He no longer gets 4+FNP. Also his wraithcannon is a misprint its no longer a d-cannon its the same gun as the normal wraith-guard now. For 40pts it makes that gun unusable now and my group wont accept it without an FAQ which they pretty much seem to have stopped doing. I now just use mine as a fancy wraithlord. :-(

Nope, latest rules. An FAQ has been out for him for a long time - look for the Psychers FAQ on Forgeworld where his powers have been updated for 6th ed, including 4+ FNP.

Not sure where you got the idea of a misprint from for the D-Cannon; it's listed as such in Imperial Armour Reloaded (latest edition to field the Wraithseer), the model is that of a D-Cannon, and the forgeworld entry for the model even makes reference to him "being armed with a deadly D-Cannon".

The Psyker update is out of date for Wraithseers. The most current rules are in IA Apocalypse. The FNP power is only a 5+, and IIRC the Wraithcannon entry in a typo (though you would have to e-mail FW to verify).


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 MIKEtheMERCILESS wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Vanquishers with beast hunter shells.

Monstrous creatures no longer concern me.

What do beast hunter shells do?

They are small blast, Instant Death shells. Only usable by Vanquishers that are part of an Armoured Battle Group (IA1 2nd ed).

 MIKEtheMERCILESS wrote:

kryczek wrote:
He was awesome for me on most occasions. However i believe that's the old rules your using. Yeah just checked that it is definitely the old rules. He no longer gets 4+FNP. Also his wraithcannon is a misprint its no longer a d-cannon its the same gun as the normal wraith-guard now. For 40pts it makes that gun unusable now and my group wont accept it without an FAQ which they pretty much seem to have stopped doing. I now just use mine as a fancy wraithlord. :-(

Nope, latest rules. An FAQ has been out for him for a long time - look for the Psychers FAQ on Forgeworld where his powers have been updated for 6th ed, including 4+ FNP.

Not sure where you got the idea of a misprint from for the D-Cannon; it's listed as such in Imperial Armour Reloaded (latest edition to field the Wraithseer), the model is that of a D-Cannon, and the forgeworld entry for the model even makes reference to him "being armed with a deadly D-Cannon".

Nope. FAQ is long out of date. You are using old rules. See the above post.

Well I'll be damned... so a digital FAQ is supersceeded by a printed book?? Unbelievable how the digital isn't updated.

I'll get clarification from Forgeworld over the D-Cannon/Wraithcannon fiasco; so assuming it is a D-Cannon, is the only change the FNP going from 4+ to 5+?

As for the "Wraithcannon," I have yet to play a game where my opponent has not let me play it as a D-Cannon.

My biggest problem with the Wraithseer is that the FNP can not be given to my Wraithknight. :( Also, at 225 points with the D-cannon, for 15 more, I could have a second Wraithknight. I still run the Wraithseer for fluffy fun reasons though.

I'm tempted to experiment with a wraithseer supporting a unit of 10 wraith blades (axes and shields) on foot with spirit seer support. You can always give them conceal, and if you roll lucky you can give them quicken with your spiritseer and your wraithseer can give them fleet.

So wraithblades running 2D6 take the highest +3". Not sure how effective it would be, but I bet it would attract A LOT of attention!

godswildcard wrote:
I'm tempted to experiment with a wraithseer supporting a unit of 10 wraith blades (axes and shields) on foot with spirit seer support. You can always give them conceal, and if you roll lucky you can give them quicken with your spiritseer and your wraithseer can give them fleet.

So wraithblades running 2D6 take the highest +3". Not sure how effective it would be, but I bet it would attract A LOT of attention!

I think Voice of twilight would be a much better option with the Wraithblades. it makes you S8 on the charge (5 + 2 from the axe +1 furious charge) so you can double out T4 characters.

I think the Wraith seer has been majorly nerfed not just slightly for these reasons, firstly they have taken out that every wraith guard and wraith lords targets receives a minus 1 modifier to its cover save if its within 12" of a wraith seer, secondly they changed deliverance so that it only conveys a 5+FnP and they changed it so it cant even cast any of its powers on itself, then they changed its staff from re-rolling all failed to hits with master crafted. Now all this would be fine except one last nail in the coffin.......they kept its hefty price tag of 185pts, 225pts with its D-cannon which relegates the whole model to the dust shelf as a wraith knight cost 240pts and your going to take this over a seer any day especially considering that a wraith knight can be your warlord with the Lyanden supplement.
The wraith seer isn't alone either as nerfed IA Eldar units are concerned as the warp hunter took a major hit as well changing its weapon to str7 ap3 Heavy 3 and a template mode that lost its 6" torrent and D-cannon rules, then to top it off they added 20pts to the unit put this one further back on the dusty shelf as I don't know who's going to take this over a Night spinner I don't know.

a message to forge world please stop nerfing my army and for heavens sake leave the night wing alone!

The only cool thing about the Wraithseer is that it has an infinite range psychic power - the 5+ FNP is just 'any Wraithguard in LOS', there is no range listed.

Tbh the biggest problem with the Wraithseer is not the price tag or sub par rules (which are bad but not kill it with fire bad), its the fact that you have to take a Farseer in order to field one. This is a huge problem for Iyanden/Wraith heavy armies which are where you want to take the Wraithseer both for fluff and effectiveness reasons, because it means that you can't take Spiritseers as well. This by itself means the Wraithseer isn't even an option until you are double FOC (or just no FOC for Apoc).

Powerguy wrote:
The only cool thing about the Wraithseer is that it has an infinite range psychic power - the 5+ FNP is just 'any Wraithguard in LOS', there is no range listed.

Tbh the biggest problem with the Wraithseer is not the price tag or sub par rules (which are bad but not kill it with fire bad), its the fact that you have to take a Farseer in order to field one. This is a huge problem for Iyanden/Wraith heavy armies which are where you want to take the Wraithseer both for fluff and effectiveness reasons, because it means that you can't take Spiritseers as well. This by itself means the Wraithseer isn't even an option until you are double FOC (or just no FOC for Apoc).

Where does it say you must take a Farseer? The only requirements I'm seeing are you must include a unit of Wraithguard/blade, and you must take another HQ.

I've had some fun with my Wraithseer. A fortuned Wraithseer with FNP on himself is pretty much invulnerable to anything and everything.

He really does need his rules to be FAQ'd now though. Deliverance should be castable on himself, and that Wraithcannon is definitely meant to be a d-cannon. The model comes with a bloody d-cannon for christ's sake.

Sorry for the necromancy, I'm just wondering if anyone ever contacted FW and figured out what's going on with the wraith/D cannon?

If you must take another HQ other than Wraithseer, could you run Iyanden and have a Wraithknight or Lord as your HQ, then take 3 more Wraithknights/Lords? If so, that'd be a lot of fun to put on the table. Not incredibly effective, but you want Monsters? There it is.

 Homeskillet wrote:
If you must take another HQ other than Wraithseer, could you run Iyanden and have a Wraithknight or Lord as your HQ, then take 3 more Wraithknights/Lords? If so, that'd be a lot of fun to put on the table. Not incredibly effective, but you want Monsters? There it is.

Even in the supplement wraith MCs aren't taken as HQs, they are still heavy support but you have the option to take a wraithknight as a warlord

 CrownAxe wrote:

 Homeskillet wrote:
If you must take another HQ other than Wraithseer, could you run Iyanden and have a Wraithknight or Lord as your HQ, then take 3 more Wraithknights/Lords? If so, that'd be a lot of fun to put on the table. Not incredibly effective, but you want Monsters? There it is.

Even in the supplement wraith MCs aren't taken as HQs, they are still heavy support but you have the option to take a wraithknight as a warlord

Ah, I thought maybe it was moved to the HQ slot. Wishful thinking, lol.

You could do CAD and get 6 big wraith constructs. You just have a tax of 217pts for a farseer on jetbike and 2 min squads of jetbikes per detachment.