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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/02 22:02:54
Subject: Paint not covering (added Pics)
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Just to start I am not using citidal or GW paints. Too expensive for such a little amount and when you have to paint a titan I dont feel like spending $60 in paint alone. So I am using A different Acryllic paint and I am having an issue getting the paint to stay a full color but only with one specific color. I am not using an air brush so that could be the cause but every other paint from the same company goes on extremely well. Is there anything I can do to fix this?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/02 22:09:04
Subject: Re:Paint not covering
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Maybe it's a one of the weaker colours in the range? Aonther range of paint might make the colour you want but better.
Also, check your SPAG. You've spelt Paint wrong twice in a tow.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/02 22:18:52
Subject: Paint not covering
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I have gone over it with several coats of paint and it just has the blotchy coloration to it. I can post a picture in a few minutes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/02 22:29:02
Subject: Re:Paint not covering
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sing your life wrote:Maybe it's a one of the weaker colours in the range? Aonther range of paint might make the colour you want but better.
Also, check your SPAG. You've spelt Paint wrong twice in a tow.
You spelt *row wrong.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/02 22:35:32
Subject: Paint not covering
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Could be a bad batch of paint?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/02 22:38:30
Subject: Re:Paint not covering
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Brigadier General
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Sammoth wrote: sing your life wrote:Maybe it's a one of the weaker colours in the range? Aonther range of paint might make the colour you want but better.
Also, check your SPAG. You've spelt Paint wrong twice in a tow.
You spelt *row wrong.
Hard to correct spellings on an ipad.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/05 04:20:10
Subject: Paint not covering
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what are you painting, what paints are you using, what's your mix ratio, what are the conditions you are painting under, are the models primed, what are the models made of, bla bla bla bla bla. Give us the full details. Right now it could be anything from the internet gnomes, a failure to appease the machine spirits of your compressor or airbrush to paint that's too diluted. details please. everything that you're using, everything that you're doing. Specific details.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/02 23:39:13
Subject: Re:Paint not covering
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sing your life wrote: Sammoth wrote: sing your life wrote:Maybe it's a one of the weaker colours in the range? Aonther range of paint might make the colour you want but better.
Also, check your SPAG. You've spelt Paint wrong twice in a tow.
You spelt *row wrong.
Hard to correct spellings on an ipad.
Point was you where correcting someone else when it wasn't needed. Ironic that you misspelled as well. How do you know the OP didn't have an Ipad as well ? BTW: You can read your comment before submitting.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/02 23:43:11
Subject: Re:Paint not covering
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sing your life wrote: Sammoth wrote: sing your life wrote:Maybe it's a one of the weaker colours in the range? Aonther range of paint might make the colour you want but better.
Also, check your SPAG. You've spelt Paint wrong twice in a tow.
You spelt *row wrong.
Hard to correct spellings on an ipad.
No it isn't. Not even slightly.
@ OP
Are you actually painting a Titan? Because mold release still on the resin could cause the problem if you didn't clean it sufficiently before priming.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/02 23:55:20
Subject: Paint not covering (added Pics)
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Infiltrating Broodlord
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Pictures added. Yes it is a titan I was painting.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/02 23:56:05
Subject: Paint not covering (added Pics)
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A few things to consider:
1) That looks to be an old Armorcast Titan, which are made of resin. Did you wash and scrub it in hot soapy water before you started painting?
2) You're asking for help with regards to paint not sticking, but fail to tell us what kind of paint you are using other than "acrylic". That's not very helpful as there is a large variety of acrylic paints.
3) If you're not using paints made for painting scale models, you may find that it doesn't cover properly.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/02 23:57:50
Subject: Paint not covering (added Pics)
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I am using Americana Paint. Its a pretty cheap craft store paint but only the dark blue is giving me the issue. Automatically Appended Next Post: Also When I got it, it was primed black already so i primed white right over it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/03 00:00:26
Subject: Paint not covering (added Pics)
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Yeah, looks very similar to how a model of mine looked when I somehow contrived to overlook cleaning a couple of components that were quite heavily covered in mould release.
I was lucky, I intended a heavily weathered finished, and it actually helped with the final effect, this... not so much I fear.
If it is left over release agent and not an issue with the paint, its a strip down job I'm afraid..
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/03 00:02:10
Subject: Paint not covering (added Pics)
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Infiltrating Broodlord
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I'm pretty sure its my paint because I have a falcon that looks fairly similar to this. Automatically Appended Next Post: Which is why i was asking if there is a way to make the paint not do that? Some technique or product that makes the paint fill in more.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/03 00:04:02
Subject: Paint not covering (added Pics)
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In which case yeah, it's gak paint.
There's plenty of decent options that are cheaper than Citadel. Like, all of them! Reaper, P3, Vallejo are all cheaper than Citadel, and of at least comparable quality.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/03 00:04:14
Subject: Paint not covering (added Pics)
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Xerics wrote:I am using Americana Paint. Its a pretty cheap craft store paint but only the dark blue is giving me the issue.
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Also When I got it, it was primed black already so i primed white right over it.
You said cheap paint and that pretty much sums it up. Like others said have you cleaned it. What kind of primer did you use. Also the paint looks a little thick. If you're looking for a cheaper basecoat just get a can of the base coat. As Others aid Army Painter or Vallejo make better paint for cheaper than Citadel.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/03 00:13:34
Subject: Paint not covering (added Pics)
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Infiltrating Broodlord
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Army painter has a pretty good primer that is my same color. I think ill go that way as the blue is the only color giving me issues. Thanks!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/03 01:18:30
Subject: Paint not covering (added Pics)
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To the OP, please disregard the bad advice in this thread regarding the paint being ineffectual. Americanna is not a high quality paint, but if you insist on using it there are some steps that can help. I am afraid what we have here is operator error, nothing more.
The first thing you need is the biggest brush you feel comfortable using. I would imagine that you are using a round #2 or #1 with some kind of synthetic bristle. Get a wide flat brush for the larger areas.
The second thing, it looks like you are not allowing enough drying time between coats. The secret to painting large areas with acrylic paint on non-absorbent surfaces is allowing the paint to fully dry. I can see what is happening is you are adding a layer and when you paint that new layer parts of the lower layer are being pulled away with the top layer. Let it dry a good while once you have done a layer before adding another. A hair dryer can be helpful in this situation.
The last thing is investing in some kind of paint additive that will break the surface tension of the paint A mixture of Liquitex matte medium and Future mixed with your paint to a consistency of thick cream will greatly improve your results.
Good luck.
A.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/03 01:46:55
Subject: Re:Paint not covering (added Pics)
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There is definetly nothing wrong with using Americana paints; they're easy to find, pretty cheap, and have some interesting colors.
The biggest issue, as Redfinger previously said, are it appears the paint was applied too thick and you didn't allow it to dry before.
You don't need an airbrush to get a nice even coat of paint on a large model (it helps of course!) and plenty of very talented painters do without an airbrush. Give this article a read, it has some pretty good tips on how to do it and do it well: http://fromthewarp.blogspot.com/2012/01/7-tips-for-painting-vehicles-without.html
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/03 02:41:52
Subject: Paint not covering (added Pics)
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Looks to me as if the paint is actually transparent (or at least semi transparent.)
This is something artists usually like
You might want to add some opaque medium to it.
'liquitex ultra matte medium' would be my preferred brand. But I'm sure there are many to choose from all doing pretty much the same thing.
Also it does look thickly applied... do you thin the paint?
Multiple thin layers ... and all that jazz.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/03 02:47:45
Subject: Paint not covering (added Pics)
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no the paint wasn't thinned and it looks shiny like that because there is a clear coat on it. I have a team battle where all rulebooks are used so i wanted to bring him out but not risk any chips on the paint job that took me so long to do (even though it didn't turn out too well).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/03 03:35:20
Subject: Paint not covering (added Pics)
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Redfinger wrote:To the OP, please disregard the bad advice in this thread regarding the paint being ineffectual. Americanna is not a high quality paint, but if you insist on using it there are some steps that can help. I am afraid what we have here is operator error, nothing more.
The first thing you need is the biggest brush you feel comfortable using. I would imagine that you are using a round #2 or #1 with some kind of synthetic bristle. Get a wide flat brush for the larger areas.
The second thing, it looks like you are not allowing enough drying time between coats. The secret to painting large areas with acrylic paint on non-absorbent surfaces is allowing the paint to fully dry. I can see what is happening is you are adding a layer and when you paint that new layer parts of the lower layer are being pulled away with the top layer. Let it dry a good while once you have done a layer before adding another. A hair dryer can be helpful in this situation.
The last thing is investing in some kind of paint additive that will break the surface tension of the paint A mixture of Liquitex matte medium and Future mixed with your paint to a consistency of thick cream will greatly improve your results.
Good luck.
A.
Bad advice ? It was more like an opinion but, whatever. I also pointed out some cheaper alternatives. Guess that was bad advice as well.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/03 11:57:24
Subject: Paint not covering (added Pics)
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Sammoth wrote: Redfinger wrote:To the OP, please disregard the bad advice in this thread regarding the paint being ineffectual. Americanna is not a high quality paint, but if you insist on using it there are some steps that can help. I am afraid what we have here is operator error, nothing more.
The first thing you need is the biggest brush you feel comfortable using. I would imagine that you are using a round #2 or #1 with some kind of synthetic bristle. Get a wide flat brush for the larger areas.
The second thing, it looks like you are not allowing enough drying time between coats. The secret to painting large areas with acrylic paint on non-absorbent surfaces is allowing the paint to fully dry. I can see what is happening is you are adding a layer and when you paint that new layer parts of the lower layer are being pulled away with the top layer. Let it dry a good while once you have done a layer before adding another. A hair dryer can be helpful in this situation.
The last thing is investing in some kind of paint additive that will break the surface tension of the paint A mixture of Liquitex matte medium and Future mixed with your paint to a consistency of thick cream will greatly improve your results.
Good luck.
A.
Bad advice ? It was more like an opinion but, whatever. I also pointed out some cheaper alternatives. Guess that was bad advice as well.
As previously noted, operator error is what is causing the OP's issue; Americana paint is not the problem here. Whether you call it advice or you opinion, telling him that his "cheap paint" is the the cause his issue is incorrect.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/03 13:43:54
Subject: Paint not covering (added Pics)
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Ok so I use the Future for washes or use the Future just for regular painting? A lot of what I am reading online says that Future is good for washes but says nothing about application in normal painting. Automatically Appended Next Post: And what is a good mix ratio for paint to matte medium?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/03 14:05:05
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Xerics wrote:Ok so I use the Future for washes or use the Future just for regular painting? A lot of what I am reading online says that Future is good for washes but says nothing about application in normal painting.
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And what is a good mix ratio for paint to matte medium?
I would like to link the following article, best article ever on Future.
http://www.swannysmodels.com/TheCompleteFuture.html
also see
http://www.swannysmodels.com/Tools.html
Future can break the surface tension of the paint. You can by multiple products to do this, but if you are already buying some Future, why not save some money and use it for multiple applications? As far as the ratio goes, when I am painting large areas by hand, I use my own mix of thinning medium. It is 50% distilled water. 25% Liquitex Matte Medium and 25% Future. I add this mixture to my paint until my paint is the consistency of thick cream.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/03 14:23:29
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ScootyPuffJunior wrote: Sammoth wrote: Redfinger wrote:To the OP, please disregard the bad advice in this thread regarding the paint being ineffectual. Americanna is not a high quality paint, but if you insist on using it there are some steps that can help. I am afraid what we have here is operator error, nothing more.
The first thing you need is the biggest brush you feel comfortable using. I would imagine that you are using a round #2 or #1 with some kind of synthetic bristle. Get a wide flat brush for the larger areas.
The second thing, it looks like you are not allowing enough drying time between coats. The secret to painting large areas with acrylic paint on non-absorbent surfaces is allowing the paint to fully dry. I can see what is happening is you are adding a layer and when you paint that new layer parts of the lower layer are being pulled away with the top layer. Let it dry a good while once you have done a layer before adding another. A hair dryer can be helpful in this situation.
The last thing is investing in some kind of paint additive that will break the surface tension of the paint A mixture of Liquitex matte medium and Future mixed with your paint to a consistency of thick cream will greatly improve your results.
Good luck.
A.
Bad advice ? It was more like an opinion but, whatever. I also pointed out some cheaper alternatives. Guess that was bad advice as well.
As previously noted, operator error is what is causing the OP's issue; Americana paint is not the problem here. Whether you call it advice or you opinion, telling him that his "cheap paint" is the the cause his issue is incorrect.
The OP said it was cheap paint himself. Follow the thread before posting.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/03 14:26:32
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Can we not fight in my thread please. I came here to learn how to fix an issue. Thank you.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/05/03 14:29:51
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Xerics wrote:Can we not fight in my thread please. I came here to learn how to fix an issue. Thank you.
Sorry for the derail. I honestly gave the best opinion and advice I could. It's the uncalled response to me that I found unwarranted.
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