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Hi Dakka, I want to get into Warmachine, starting small to begin with. I'm going to buy the two player battle box as I'll be splitting it with a freind who wants to play Khador.

So I guess my question is the stuff you get for Menoth in that set, is it a good basis for a warjack centric army?

Also is Menoth a warjack army to begin with?

As I'm sure it's apparent by now I just want to walk around with warjacks as I'm a 40k player and play Tyranids currently at that so an elitist army would be something different and fun.

Thanks,

Luke

Menoth is definitely able to run Jack heavy. Also the box isn't that bad, but you probably won't be using the Cinerators that comes with it.

PKreoss is a good caster, has a great feat and good support spells.

The vanquisher Heavy warjack is a staple in many lists, especially the pop and drop PKreoss lists

The crusader is a cheap hard hitting heavy, and that is pretty all you get for it.

The repentor is a cheap spray light jack, its not bad at all, though might not be the best choice many lists. It gives you some strong burning, which can definitely come in handy.

Overall its not a bad box, but its not really a good list either.

If you want to run elite jack heavy one thing to note is that the menoth jacks have great support units. Pick up a choir unit as your first purchase, and then pick up 1-2 vassals to go with it. Consider getting the heavy jack kit that contains the Reckoner. Add in Avatar into your available jacks and you are pretty much done. Avatar, Vanq, and Reckoner are really strong heavy jacks that with Choir and vassel support can nearly win games by themselves. That being said you will still need some infantry to hold objectives and snipe off opposing stuff its not worth sending jacks after. Exemplar Errants with their unit attachment is pretty standard choice, as are zealots and Flame guard (also with UAs).

Additional support that should be considered include the covenent (the big book of NO) and Rhovan. There are several mercs that are really strong with Menoth, but they tend to with the exception of eEiryss (which is nearly always great) list dependent.

Awesome, Thanks for the detailed reply. I'll look into those models once I get this lot made up.

Cheers man sounds like exactly the type of play I'm looking for.

Menoth is the second most Jack centered faction, Convergence is the top because they completely resolve around jacks.


Protectorate runs more jacks than the other factions do though. It is the rare protectorate list with less than 3.

Now although you will run a bunch of jacks, you will hardly run all jacks. You can probably get away with spending, in a typical 35-50 point list, about half your points on jacks. The rest will either be in support or normal units.

Protectorate can do elite lists, but those actually tend to be the jack light lists. You have Kreoss2's theme force which is nothing but knights and his character jack. Very elite, but its also actually high body count too.



As for things to get besides what you have


1) Reckoner. best non-character jack for its points hands down.

2) Choir.

3) 2 vassals. Like choir they are jack support.

4) Heirophant and Wracks, caster support for casting all our delicious spells.

5) Your choice of 2 of the following. Errants, Temple Flameguard, and Zealots. All with their Unit Attachments. You need infantry in warmachine, these guys deliver.

 flukezor wrote:
Hi Dakka, I want to get into Warmachine, starting small to begin with. I'm going to buy the two player battle box as I'll be splitting it with a freind who wants to play Khador.

So I guess my question is the stuff you get for Menoth in that set, is it a good basis for a warjack centric army?

Also is Menoth a warjack army to begin with?

Yeah. You could say Protectorate does 'Jacks. Among the mainstream factions they're head-and-shoulders at the top of the pack when it comes to 'Jacks. Thanks to great caster-indepdant 'jack support, high FOCUS casters, better focus support than other factions and self-fueling 'Jacks. You can have 3 fully functional heavies before you even have to begin pulling any meaningful resources off your caster.

In fact if you're trying to 'Jack-centric in Protectorate, it's going to be points limitations not performance problems that tend to set the upper bounds for how many 'Jacks you can bring.

Add a Choir of Menoth and 2x Vassal of Menoth to the starter. You defintely want to pick up at least 1 Reckoner as it's a very versatile 'Jacks with a great gun and can kick ass in melee. In your case I'd recommend the Holy Zealots with Unit Attachment as your first infantry choice. This is because they're our most versatile unit and won't lock you into any caster choices while you're figuring out what you like. Some of our others really like have casters with specific tricks.

Many of our casters offer something to 'Jacks, so beyond that its what you want to do with them.

pSeverius, eSeverius and pKreoss are probably the best casters for utilizing the ranged power of 'Jacks with guns.
eFeroa, Harbinger and Intercessor Kreoss are probably the best casters for bringing out the melee potential of our 'Jacks.
pSeverius, pReznik and Intercessor Kreoss are probably your best choices for a balanced approach to 'Jacks.

Amon ad-Raza with worth mentioning as an odd duck who can super-juice 'jacks in the right circumstances, but has so many other weaknesses he really doesn't work.

As well as the mandatory purchases for Menoth (and Choir is big time, or your jack will never reach their potential before getting across the field), here a few other things you can look into.

Reclaim: A cheap two-point solo that recycles the dead troops that die near him into focus for your jacks. Kind of hard to use at first, but can come in a pinch when needed if used correctly. Should not be a first wave purchase up something to keep in mind.

Redeemer: Although it can be a bit overcosted for its main weapon that is inaccurate, this jack is really good in a pKreoss pop n drop list as well as a Vanquisher after you buff it up with choir and aim with it. Becomes a bit more powerful under pSeverius and Eye of Menoth as well.

eEryiss: Helps with the assassination as well when taking away the opponents Warcaster's focus. Also good at taking care of defensive buff. A must buy merc that works as a staple for most armies.

Rhupert Carvolo and the Covenant of Menoth: These are two separate solos, if you plan to run frontline infantry of any kind, these two should be included together as they can give tough with potential no knockdown to the whole unit. Put these two with Exemplar Errants and their role as an annoying tarpit goes up even more.

Rhoven and friends: Want to see that stealthed unit or warcaster and light him/her on fire with your Vanquisher? Give that bad boy Menoth's Sight with Rhoven and Friends to ignore that stealth and clouds. Want to screw with Hordes opponent fury management? Negation allows you to do that as well! Take care of Animi and continous effects? Cleanse helps you with that as well!


Note that these should be purchased after you got everything else that really supports your army. This is only to help a bit more after those things.

Another thing of note: If you can, convert the Cinerators into Bastions if you can, as Bastions are much preferred to Cinerators almost all the time.

Thanks all for the info.

Very detailed replies, I'll be saving this to look into once i get this kit started and I can actually understand some of the lingo and models you are all referring.

Thank you again