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Got as far as my Dialogus model now.

Am I the only one who thinks the new design is just weird? Maybe even outright bad?

The old design had the hailer built into the staff. The new model is just holding a regular staff, then the laud hailer is some kind of floating ticker tape machine. From photos of the painted mini I assumed the hailer was connected to the front of the Dialogus, linking to the mic below her head. But nope - it's just floating in front of her as an independent model, with no clear means of propulsion. Not even a cherub or servo skull supporting it.

Then there's the book behind her back, with dripping candles above it. I dunno...it just feels like everything about this model is nonsense from any kind of practical design perspective. How is she meant to fight? She's covered in layers, scrolls and her staff looks so unimpressive.

Trying to think up a good conversion to rearrange the various parts of the model.

 
   
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 Casbyness wrote:
Got as far as my Dialogus model now.

Am I the only one who thinks the new design is just weird? Maybe even outright bad?

The old design had the hailer built into the staff. The new model is just holding a regular staff, then the laud hailer is some kind of floating ticker tape machine. From photos of the painted mini I assumed the hailer was connected to the front of the Dialogus, linking to the mic below her head. But nope - it's just floating in front of her as an independent model, with no clear means of propulsion. Not even a cherub or servo skull supporting it.

Then there's the book behind her back, with dripping candles above it. I dunno...it just feels like everything about this model is nonsense from any kind of practical design perspective. How is she meant to fight? She's covered in layers, scrolls and her staff looks so unimpressive.


She's not meant to fight, actually. Her job is more about taking care of holy scriptures, inspiring her sisters by reading them and actually writing / translating / decyphering stuff.

For the rest, well it's 40k...that kind of stuff is pretty much what the miniatures try to convey. It's impractical and over the top, indeed, but it was never meant to be pragmatic. Hell, the whole Imperium of Mankind is the very definition of bloated and impractical.

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I really like the Dialogus. Its a cool and flavorful model full of neat details. I was really pleased when I first saw it, and I can't wait to star painting mine.
   
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 Casbyness wrote:
Got as far as my Dialogus model now.

Am I the only one who thinks the new design is just weird? Maybe even outright bad?

The old design had the hailer built into the staff. The new model is just holding a regular staff, then the laud hailer is some kind of floating ticker tape machine. From photos of the painted mini I assumed the hailer was connected to the front of the Dialogus, linking to the mic below her head. But nope - it's just floating in front of her as an independent model, with no clear means of propulsion. Not even a cherub or servo skull supporting it.

Then there's the book behind her back, with dripping candles above it. I dunno...it just feels like everything about this model is nonsense from any kind of practical design perspective. How is she meant to fight? She's covered in layers, scrolls and her staff looks so unimpressive.

Trying to think up a good conversion to rearrange the various parts of the model.

It is meant to be a floating version of the lecterns you see in the main aisle of churches etc.

I'm guessing it floats the same way cherubs and servo skulls do, I don't think the IoM restricts its antigrav tech to creepy babies or skulls only.

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Antigrav tech request form in the Imperium:


Are you a :
a) Creepy baby
b) Skull
c) Low priority request


lol

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 Casbyness wrote:
Got as far as my Dialogus model now.

Am I the only one who thinks the new design is just weird? Maybe even outright bad?


Weird, yes. Outright bad? not particularly. The old one was a bad model and often just looks poorly cast.

Granted its actually an inquistorial henchman and not a Sister, but still. Almost anything is an upgrade to that- she looks like evil german torturer guy from Indiana Jones halfway through the Ark of the Covenant being opened.

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 Casbyness wrote:

Or in the case of the Canoness sprue, you can create "Olga Octavius - eight armed destroyer!"


I'm already picturing a vaguely Hindu-inspired Imperial Saint, as a proxy character model, with a halo of spectral arms emanating from her back.
   
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Hankovitch wrote:
 Casbyness wrote:

Or in the case of the Canoness sprue, you can create "Olga Octavius - eight armed destroyer!"


I'm already picturing a vaguely Hindu-inspired Imperial Saint, as a proxy character model, with a halo of spectral arms emanating from her back.

Yes, yes, the four-armed angels of the four-armed emperor shall deliver you unto his throne!

Somehow I get the impression that the Imperium, as liberal as it is normally, is really not in the mood for that sort of thing right now…

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 Casbyness wrote:
Got as far as my Dialogus model now.

Am I the only one who thinks the new design is just weird? Maybe even outright bad?

The old design had the hailer built into the staff. The new model is just holding a regular staff.


I mean, there's clearly an audio speaker built into the top of the new model's staff. The only real difference is that there's not a wire attached from the staff to something else, but that shouldn't really be too big of an issue. The floating lectern is similar to the Master of Rites, so it has precedent, and it lowkey would fit with the Dialogus very well. Especially since it has censers trailing at the bottom. In terms of modeling, I feel like if they were super faithful, it would look just like a sister version of the GSC Clamavus, which is also a potential conversion idea for a Dialogus
   
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 Casbyness wrote:
Got as far as my Dialogus model now.

Am I the only one who thinks the new design is just weird? Maybe even outright bad?
... are we talking about by itself, or compared to the old model?

Cause the old Dialogous model is in the running for the worst model GW has ever made. Was voted on DakkaDakka to be the model most in need of update half a dozen times.

The new model is massively superior, no matter its problems, to the horrid monstrosity that was the previous model.

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I liked the old models, I am sad I forgot to buy it when it went "Last chance to buy" and I just bought 4 more sob rhinos/immolators!!

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... you liked this?

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Yes. I love her absolutely dorky look!
I even saw some awesome cosplay of the model:

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 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Yes. I love her absolutely dorky look!
It's not so much the "dorky" look as much as it is the "low-quality crappy sculpt that's the worst sculpt that GW has ever done" bit.

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I can't really tell about the quality of the cast because I don't think I've ever seen a real one but I love the look on the pictures.
If you have seen one for real, does she really have a speaker inside her mouth, or is it just me? If she has I think it's brilliant!

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No, she doesn't. It's just an incredibly lazy empty half-sphere.

Spoiler:

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Oh. That's slightly disappointing. I'll try to fix that up with a bit of conversion then!
I still overall like the look of the design. I mean I like the new one too, no doubt, I'll just try to get both!

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It honestly looks like a child tried to carve it out of clay.

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I'm not sure why you dislike it so much, but since you are far from the only one, and most people hate it too, I guess I am the weird one here ^^'.

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UK

I like the old Dialogus.

I never liked the old Repentia Miastress though and both versions of the new model are far better.

 
   
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The only real problem with the old Dialogous is the glasses and mouth on the head. Now that we have lots of Sisters heads to play with, replacing that head should be a snap.
   
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 Melissia wrote:
... you liked this?

I love it. Show me another model I can use to psychologically assault my opponent just by using it.

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I loved the old Dialogous because I honestly believed for over a decade she had her mouth reformed around a speaker. Things like that had appeared in artwork before and it was appropriately grimdark. I also thought the eyes were optics that're often depicted as a bit 'bug-eyed' and the whole design was meant to have a disturbing uncanniness to it. Maybe all that just shaped my opinions about it.

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pm713 wrote:
 Melissia wrote:
... you liked this?

I love it. Show me another model I can use to psychologically assault my opponent just by using it.


You..you really want to play this game?
Spoiler:

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GaroRobe wrote:
pm713 wrote:
 Melissia wrote:
... you liked this?

I love it. Show me another model I can use to psychologically assault my opponent just by using it.


You..you really want to play this game?
Spoiler:

A lot of poor Hvarls problems stem from zooming in on a face that's not painted very well. He's much better than a Dialogous.

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 Melissia wrote:
 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Yes. I love her absolutely dorky look!
It's not so much the "dorky" look as much as it is the "low-quality crappy sculpt that's the worst sculpt that GW has ever done" bit.

Nah, she's no Pumbagore.

Certainly not the best sculpt in the world, but let's dial the hyperbole down a notch or two, mebbe?

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 Dysartes wrote:
 Melissia wrote:
 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Yes. I love her absolutely dorky look!
It's not so much the "dorky" look as much as it is the "low-quality crappy sculpt that's the worst sculpt that GW has ever done" bit.

Nah, she's no Pumbagore.

Certainly not the best sculpt in the world, but let's dial the hyperbole down a notch or two, mebbe?


I dunno. I think I prefer the pumbagore.
   
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Melissia wrote:
 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Yes. I love her absolutely dorky look!
It's not so much the "dorky" look as much as it is the "low-quality crappy sculpt that's the worst sculpt that GW has ever done" bit.


Well, I get that you don't like it, but with that you can't be taken serious. Even without considering really old models, we had Nagash (and a lot of the 4th edition Undead), the Drag Queen of Athel Loren, 4th edition Daemonettes, Dieter Helsnicht's Manticore, the BB Amazon team, the metal CSM Possessed, Dwarfs with heads as large as their bodies, most of the pre Gorkamorka Orks/Orcs, plastic Catachans, the old Necron Lord, the Epic Eldar Revenant chicken etc. pp. .

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:I'm not sure why you dislike it so much, but since you are far from the only one, and most people hate it too, I guess I am the weird one here ^^'.


Nah. I like the model too, maybe even because the slightly comically face.

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 Dryaktylus wrote:
Nah. I like the model too, maybe even because the slightly comically face.

Let's be weird together.
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Wait no that came out wrong lol

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I love the old dialogus, both on her own and for conversion bits.

Never like the Repentia Mistress except her head that I have carved out for many conversions.

Put whips on several Canoness models for my Repentia Mistresses

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