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burb1996 wrote:Normally I don't really care when someone proxies stuff, so long as its a similar size/shape. But I just had to share this story with you dakka-ites as it happened today and I just had to share.


So, new IG Codex out and I have been itching to give my boys a whirl. I am working on making some punisher turrets for my russ's and even showed the guy my progress. Everything SEEMED fine until Turn one started.

"Um...excuse me, those are just regular russ's since you didnt put your punisher turrets on them" (say this in your best 400lb. sweaty, I just wanted to play anyone voice....

"Ok..were playing WYSIWYG I see....All those coke cans you plan to use for Drop pods...for get that. Oh, your incomplete models? Yeah forget that too..they are incomplete and have no weapons."


And he changed his tune pronto.....Some people.

I would be gone at this point. I wouldn't have the nerve to use any proxies against someone I didn't know beforehand. If you're looking for a real game and not just a match against a mate to test some crazy new strategy without dropping money on models you may not want to use.

Honestly I'd say the drop pod is cool enough to warrant a purchase or at least a good looking scratch build. I never considered using one before due to the lack of a plastic model ($35 is reasonable, $100 is insane).

Now when does Chaos get drop pod rules/ plastic models? Haven't drop pod attacks been in use since before the Heresy?

Mad Rabbit wrote:

Now when does Chaos get drop pod rules/ plastic models? Haven't drop pod attacks been in use since before the Heresy?

Just glue on moar skulls.

I have no problem with coke can pods.

Likewise I expect my opponent will have no issue with me using my four year old son as a Titan and send him stomping across the table in my apocalypse games...

well have to change my not right out of the vending machine from the other day....

I played a game in the park with a few friends the other day and it was warm and one of the guys left his DP at home and asked if you could use a coke can while we played and followed that up with he would have to buy a coke from the machine about 20 feet away and agreed to let me drink it if he could use it.

I can see buying drop pods being a necessity if your army banks on them every game, you're playing it in a tournament or if they're deathwinds. I use them so rarely (twice) and as nothing more than a conveyance for deep striking a squad of Sternguards so I've never had trouble using a blast template to mark it's location.

Hmmm what would you do if someone made an exact and I mean EXACT replica of a DP... except for that it was half the size of a GW one? Just wondering....




-Orkishly

Napalm wrote:I can see buying drop pods being a necessity if your army banks on them every game, you're playing it in a tournament or if they're deathwinds. I use them so rarely (twice) and as nothing more than a conveyance for deep striking a squad of Sternguards so I've never had trouble using a blast template to mark it's location.

I guess the question is, then, why field them if you're not going to buy them?

If the answer is you want to do x, y, and z, then maybe you should buy it, or
convert a good looking one.

Out of a coke can.

orkishlyorkish wrote:Hmmm what would you do if someone made an exact and I mean EXACT replica of a DP... except for that it was half the size of a GW one? Just wondering....

How would marines fit in it?

Orkeosaurus wrote:

orkishlyorkish wrote:Hmmm what would you do if someone made an exact and I mean EXACT replica of a DP... except for that it was half the size of a GW one? Just wondering....

How would marines fit in it?

Standing on shoulders.

Perturabo's Chosen wrote:Vegetable steamer sells for abut $3, and is actually pretty close of old school GW drop pods. And it opens up! Not too much conversion work to make it look good either. Call it Drop pod mrk I. Problem solved, cheap, plus (historically) accurate.

This.

If you aren't gonna' spend money on actually buying the GW model, at least attempt to make a good-build to represent it, if I brought a massive IG force to even a game with friends, consisting of army-men, even my buds will be pissed. If you aren't willing to spend $3 dollars you shouldn't be playing Warhammer you should be finding a more respectable line of work with good pay.

malfred wrote:I guess the question is, then, why field them if you're not going to buy them?

Exactly!

If you're going to field them, buy them!

I have to disagree. Like other people have said: I use them only VERY occasionally. They are not a part of my every-day list, so why would I want to spend 90 dollars or so to make 3 squads droppable? For clarification, this one of the drop pods I used, NOT A FREAKIN COKE CAN. I don't really see why somebody would get bent out of shape about this, it is darn near congruent with TLOS. Yeah, its kinda shoddy, but for those of us with CHILDREN, and a FINITE amount of disposable income, we would much rather buy something else with that hard earned 30 bucks. Elitism is just another measure of vanity.

FoxPhoenix135 wrote:I have to disagree. Like other people have said: I use them only VERY occasionally. They are not a part of my every-day list, so why would I want to spend 90 dollars or so to make 3 squads droppable? For clarification, this one of the drop pods I used, NOT A FREAKIN COKE CAN. I don't really see why somebody would get bent out of shape about this, it is darn near congruent with TLOS. Yeah, its kinda shoddy, but for those of us with CHILDREN, and a FINITE amount of disposable income, we would much rather buy something else with that hard earned 30 bucks. Elitism is just another measure of vanity.

I'm sorry, but "I dont use them much" is not a good Excuse. I don't use Reaver titans Much, Can I use a bottle of Old Jamaican to represent that because I don't want to spend the money? yeah that Cheese Sandwitch? That's my Rhino. I Don't use them much, so I don't wanna spend the money. I dont care you have gone to the trouble of making a WYSIWYG fully painted army, I am gonna use my Sandwitches and Rum Bottles Damnit!

I have 7 Drop pods as of now, 2 of them Forge World ones. I use them both in all Podding lists, and as support in Mixed lists. That is the price I pay for wanting to use them.

That's kinda cool.

Self designed? Or a template somewhere?

Gwar! wrote:

FoxPhoenix135 wrote:I have to disagree. Like other people have said: I use them only VERY occasionally. They are not a part of my every-day list, so why would I want to spend 90 dollars or so to make 3 squads droppable? For clarification, this one of the drop pods I used, NOT A FREAKIN COKE CAN. I don't really see why somebody would get bent out of shape about this, it is darn near congruent with TLOS. Yeah, its kinda shoddy, but for those of us with CHILDREN, and a FINITE amount of disposable income, we would much rather buy something else with that hard earned 30 bucks. Elitism is just another measure of vanity.

I'm sorry, but "I dont use them much" is not a good Excuse. I don't use Reaver titans Much, Can I use a bottle of Old Jamaican to represent that because I don't want to spend the money? yeah that Cheese Sandwitch? That's my Rhino. I Don't use them much, so I don't wanna spend the money. I dont care you have gone to the trouble of making a WYSIWYG fully painted army, I am gonna use my Sandwitches and Rum Bottles Damnit!

I have 7 Drop pods as of now, 2 of them Forge World ones. I use them both in all Podding lists, and as support in Mixed lists. That is the price I pay for wanting to use them.

@ Gwar!: Ok look, obviously a sandwich is kind of rediculous. But I wouldn't stop you from using a papercraft titan you still had to put an evening into assembling.

You are not getting the point. It is not a freaking coke can. I agree totally about not using mundane items as proxies. That is lame. We agree there. What I am saying, is that if somebody took the time to create, design, and build a scratch-model, then it is not fair to say "Sorry, Gee Dub makes a plastic kit. You're SOL and can't use those here."

@ Malfred: I found a template somewhere and embellished it. Printed on 120 lb cardstock and taped together. Modifying, printing, cutting out, and assembling 3 drop pods took 4 hours.

FoxPhoenix135 wrote:@ Gwar!: Ok look, obviously a sandwich is kind of rediculous. But I wouldn't stop you from using a papercraft titan you still had to put an evening into assembling.

You are not getting the point. It is not a freaking coke can. I agree totally about not using mundane items as proxies. That is lame. We agree there. What I am saying, is that if somebody took the time to create, design, and build a scratch-model, then it is not fair to say "Sorry, Gee Dub makes a plastic kit. You're SOL and can't use those here."

Oh, yeah, I agree if its a decent Scratch Built Model, then that's all well and good, but Plain paper Models that are just made out of flimsy stock and not painted wouldn't fly with me tbh.

Ok, I get that, in a way. My only point is: everything doesn't have to be GW official to me. Otherwise: every piece of terrain and even the gameboard itself had better be from citadel. And you all know how expensive THAT would be....

I would like to see what veggie steamer they are talking about

FoxPhoenix135 wrote:I have to disagree. Like other people have said: I use them only VERY occasionally. They are not a part of my every-day list, so why would I want to spend 90 dollars or so to make 3 squads droppable?

For clarification, this one of the drop pods I used, NOT A FREAKIN COKE CAN.

for those of us with CHILDREN, and a FINITE amount of disposable income, we would much rather buy something else with that hard earned 30 bucks.

Frequency of use isn't necessarily the criteria that you should use for what you buy, though it isn't a bad one. Why, when I look at all of my gaming stuff, and how much I use it... Anyhow, the point is sometimes you need to get stuff so that you have models on the table.

That is a fine substitute for a Drop Pod, so I don't know what you're so wound up about. I don't think anybody called you any names or anything. If you field those, then that's great. People will know it's a Drop Pod, and be able to measure LOS and so forth for / to / around it. The problem that we have is when the model is nothing like what it should be, or there's no model at all. That is a problem.

And FWIW, you're not the only one with kids and an ever-decreasing budget. I'm just glad I still get to make a few decent gaming purchases each year. With plastic Valks & Shadowswords, this year's gonna be awesome!

Phloop wrote:Some people can't afford to buy a glorified terrain piece just because tthe Codex says you have to.

I'm psychic, here's what i read from those people's minds:
"I don't have money to buy a drop pod, my landraider, devastators, terminators and dread used up all my budget ..."
"I can't be arsed to spend an afternoon gluing some trash into something that remotely looks like a drop pod..."

Furthermore the codex doesn't say you HAVE to use drop-pods, feel free to use a rhino or the feet-mobile.
Alternatively sell your army and play dawn of war2.

BoxANT wrote:Do I get to use a box of cards as a chimera? A shoe box as a Baneblade? Nickels as guardsmen?

I once used a remote controlled toy car as a Chimera (was funny for passers-by to see a toy car with guardsmen disembarking from it) and a wraithlord standing on a dice tin as a leman russ vanquisher (wait, what?). I think it's acceptable if you're just testing out a new (expensive) list with a very good friend and in a casual game. I'd never do such a thing in a serious game or with someone I don't know, though.

Heck, I have some foam board drop pods (I think 8) and 6 or 8 foam board rhinos for when I feel like trying out something different. They're cheap, the right size and shape, and not particularly confusing. If I used them all the time, I'd get real ones (I'm currently debating if I keep using my pvc pipe vindicators, or if I toss $80 to get real ones, and use the rhinos I've been using for vindicators as terrain.) That said, for my DIY chapter I'm working on making a convertible rhino/razorback and drop pod for each squad, just so everyone has a transport.

One army (my BTs) is more of a 'get it on the table and play' army. The other is more of a hobby army... eventually I'll get a list out of it but, heck, that might take awhile. If I'm going to bother naming my sergeants, I'm going to give them the proper models (heck, some of them even are equipped with a bolter -and- bolt pistol, shocker!)

As for other people, I don't really care for actual coke can drop pods (since they're the wrong size, but I suppose if they want to play with something smaller, I can learn to live with that.) Halfway decent proxies, as long as they're the right size/shape, I'm pretty cool with. I'd much rather see a painted force with a few proxies (that don't stick out like a sore thumb) than a 100% wysiwyg army in all it's primer (or bare plastic) glory. I mean, buy some spray paint and some washes if you're really that bad about painting FFS (which I want to experiment with using some AoBR marines, but that's beside the point.)

Scratch-built is fine with me. I'd rather face a nicely made and painted scratch-built force than some kid's unpainted GW models that his mommy and daddy bought for him.

Anybody else remember Rick Priestley's grav tank built out of an old deodorant tube? Even had the instructions in White Dwarf to build one for yourself...

Ah, those were the days.

Oh, don't get us "No Coke Can" Camp wrong, I am pretty sure no-one would mind Scratch Built Models. I know I would not.

What we Object to are shoddy Scratch Built Models that are intended to be Proxies. Examples of this are, I hate to say it, paper Drop Pods. Now, Plasticard or Cardboard Drop Pods that have been painted nicely are acceptable, because the player has made some effort.

Fair 'nuff. I play against PLENTY of crappily painted and converted armies, though. If I got too picky about how my opponents' forces looked, I'd never get to play a durned game!

Commissar Molotov wrote:Scratch-built is fine with me. I'd rather face a nicely made and painted scratch-built force than some kid's unpainted GW models that his mommy and daddy bought for him.

Anybody else remember Rick Priestley's grav tank built out of an old deodorant tube? Even had the instructions in White Dwarf to build one for yourself...

Ah, those were the days.

Yeah, it was pretty awesome, but then he gave it up. He totally turned around and deserted it. I can't believe that jerk.

My mate uses two Dreadnoughts as his two hive tyrants. Though only because his actual hive tyrant models were meant to arrive from forgeworld are now nearly a month over due.

he's the best player at our club however and is always willing to educate a newer player or help design a list with you if your developing a new army(I mean he literally knows the Tyranid, Eldar, Space Marine codexes of by heart) because of this everyone lets him of using dreads as hive tyrants.

FoxPhoenix135 wrote:I have to disagree. Like other people have said: I use them only VERY occasionally. They are not a part of my every-day list, so why would I want to spend 90 dollars or so to make 3 squads droppable? For clarification, this one of the drop pods I used, NOT A FREAKIN COKE CAN. I don't really see why somebody would get bent out of shape about this, it is darn near congruent with TLOS. Yeah, its kinda shoddy, but for those of us with CHILDREN, and a FINITE amount of disposable income, we would much rather buy something else with that hard earned 30 bucks. Elitism is just another measure of vanity.

I don't think anyone would object to a nonGW model as long at is was ~same size and looks similar. Your drop pod is nothing like the ones that I was objecting to That is to say, you have an actual model (not invisible or a coke can).

However, as for purchasing GW models in general, you are not the only one who has extremely FINITE disposable income... If you can not afford certain units, perhaps do not include them in your lists?

Commissar Molotov wrote:
Anybody else remember Rick Priestley's grav tank built out of an old deodorant tube? Even had the instructions in White Dwarf to build one for yourself...

Ah, those were the days.

I remember those, even had a few myself. Was the first scratchbuild I ever made.