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Almost all the people at my LGS play 40k, WHFB or Magic the Gathering, as a result there is not much interest in other gaming systems, but now with the prices going up on GW products, there starting to look at other systems. FoW is out of the running due to the store has had 3 attempts to get it up and there still stuck with a crap load of the stuff that doesn't sell. I am going to see if i can get some interest in WM/Hordes.

The convenience aspect is important to 13-year-olds, as they don't have the research skills and patience of an adult.

Wolfstan wrote:Pirate's game is the Warhammer Ancients one, which is a good little game.

Looking back through the replies, I find myself wondering if US gamers are less likely to stray from GW than us Brits.

Man O War? Ohh, that's old.

I played a lot of stuff before GW, and I'll continue to do so. But in-store, GW pretty much rules the roost among TTGs. CCGs have GW's number, tho.

Wolfstan wrote:...I was wondering if people actually look at other systems? If not why not, what is stopping you playing another system?

Love them or hate them, GW makes the best figures out there. 40k/Fantasy is a very conversion friendly system unlike click-based stuff or even stuff from other more standard miniatures games. GW has a significant amount of their line as multi-part plastic which allows for each person to build a very unique looking army, even if they are all space marines. This is a lot harder to achieven with games using mostly/only metal figures. The final reason is that I can usually get a game of 40k pretty quickly. Pick-up games in other systems are harder to get, or at least get someone other than the same one or two opponents.

I'm thinking of getting into AT-43 I just hope there's some people around here who play it!

Wolfstan wrote:Rules of Engagement: http://www.greatescapegames.co.uk/

Do you know what scale that system is for? From the pics on the site, it seems like 25mm...



Ghidorah

Ghidorah wrote:

Wolfstan wrote:Rules of Engagement: http://www.greatescapegames.co.uk/

Do you know what scale that system is for? From the pics on the site, it seems like 25mm...



Ghidorah

28mm. You can get figures from Warlord Games, who is part owned by former employee of GW Paul Sawyer. I also used Artizan models as Bolt Action Miniatures (now part of Warlord Games) didn't do US Paras at the time. I've got a Panzer Lehr & Royal Marine force from Bolt Action & an Easy Company themed US Para force from Artizan. It's a brilliant game.

Im afraid of trying another system (i badly want to try out FoW) but since the only local gaming shop i know of (games workshop) only sells warhammer. i would gladly check out other systems but i can't seem to find any, or anyone interested.

*off topic. if anyone is near the Miranda area (South Sydney, NSW) and knows a place where they play/sell systems other than warhammer please PM or reply

I would love to try some privateer press stuff but over here it is realy pricey so for now I will stick with GW's tiny plastic people.

PP all the way.

I'm switching from GW to PP.


Better models, dope game (this is IMO).

I second what Rogue Market said:

I'm working on making a switch from GW to PP. I've stopped buying GW products already, hopefully I can keep that up...

Only other thing as well is that I am waiting for the PP to bring out the new rulebook.

Gutteridge wrote:if anyone is near the Miranda area (South Sydney, NSW) and knows a place where they play/sell systems other than warhammer please PM or reply

Try asking around on http://www.wargamerau.com/

Gutteridge wrote:*off topic. if anyone is near the Miranda area (South Sydney, NSW) and knows a place where they play/sell systems other than warhammer please PM or reply

You could try Southern Battlegamers. They meet friday nights in the Sylvania Heights community centre (near the corner of Box rd Sylvania Rd Nth). It's a 5 minute or so drive from Miranda, or about a 20 minute walk (but even I wouldn't walk it on a friday night - you do kinda have to pass the local nightspot where various RL players and their wanna-be groupies hang out (Carmens).). There is a privately run bus service that runs past there, though (from Miranda station/out the front of westfields).

They are a nice bunch and even throw their own tournament once a year (october long weekend). They have a forum section on Wargamerau here http://www.wargamerau.com/forum/index.php?showforum=226.

That's the only club I know in the area. They play 40k/WHFB and other games. I haven't seen them in a while (moved out of the area 3 years ago, so I don't get to catch up that often.).

I must say, my number one reason for sticking with Gw is the fluff.

I have looked at other games (Dark Age, AT-43, Warzone, Void etc...), and I'll even use their models in my WH40k games, but whenever I look at these other games I'm disappointed by the thin background.

I know that a 'new' game can't help this, but I'd still rather play the game with the better developed and more detailed backstory...

As if 40k has such a deep background. It's just that they have been around way longer and have been recycling a lot of stuff, oh yeah and ripping off whatever they can get their hands on. They also got a bigger writers department I guess.

That in itself isn't wrong though.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Wolfstan wrote:Pirate's game is the Warhammer Ancients one, which is a good little game.

Looking back through the replies, I find myself wondering if US gamers are less likely to stray from GW than us Brits.

Man O War? Ohh, that's old.

No, I believe he meant "Legends of the High Seas", which was released by Warhammer Historical a year or so back. It is a "pirates" adaptation of the LotR engine, in the same way that Legends of the Old West was a Wild West adaptation.

That'll be the fella.

Well, thanks for clearing that up.

Hi all.
I can understand the 2 recurrent reasons that some people give for staying with GWs 40k-/-WH.

Depth of background and minature range.

However there are several games you can use your existing minatures, and use your favorite background as a driving narrative behind the games you play.

For WH, Armies Of Arcana and No Quarter are just 2 that are rather popular.And for 40k ,Stargrunt II and No Limits work rather well.

Some game rules are free to down load.
So all it costs is a bit of time and creativity and you can get your own hobby!
(Rather than the 'GW hobby' determined by a corperate managment intent on getting as much of your money as they can. )

Happy Gaming ,
Lanrak.

Limited funds and player base mainly. I've dropped too much money over the past couple years on alternative systems that died out locally in 3ish months once the novelty wore off of them. There's lots of things I'm interested in but at this point unless it's something like AoA or an equivalent where I can use figs I already have or it's something really cheap like Uncharted Seas (which has all but died locally since they can't keep up with production, distribution, and promises), it probably won't happen until it gets some legs under it.

LunaHound wrote:Its the fear.

Fear of spending money into a game to have it disappear from the market , or lack of people to play with.

Yup. There you have it.

I used to play the Vs. System CCG. It had a good run, but lasted nowhere near as long as Magic or Yu-Gi-Oh. Now I have boxes of cards and nobody to play with...

*tear*

Fear is definitley the key, I have two AT-43 armies, sold my Battlefield Evolution pre paints as well as my Void, Warzone and FoW armies simply due to the lack of local opponents. ( of course now FoW has rebounded in a big way and I miss my panzergrenadiers)

I had a long ongoing conversation with Niel from Meeples and Miniatures and we basically agreed that the FLGS based play groups in the US heavily favor games that have good retail presense. IF you dont see it on the shelves in the store you play at you are not likley to play even if you could special order it from you retailer.

What GW and to a lesser degree PP and BF have that none of the other systems have is solid distribution and retail availability. This creates the solid player base and leads to a cycle that is very hard for a new game to break into.

In the UK with the gaming club based player culture and the numerous shows that are allways going on it is far more common to play multiple systems and try new games than it is here.

As always I envy my gaming brothers from across the pond.!!!

For me it needs to hold my interest and other gaming systems just aren't as interesting.

Okay, there's also money and evil glares from the better half.

I think its cause games workshop and 40k seem important. The other games dont.

Plus you know theres video games and novels and stuff to get you further immersed in the universe.

Also Most of us started with this stuff as teenagers. And like smoking it can be difficult to quit. (im not buying rigth now but Im here reading about it.)

I'd just also like to add - GW is the only one that really owns stores - so you'll see support.

When I started looking around for other stores that are indy LGS's.


I saw less 40k, more FOW, HORDES/ WM.

Money is the only thing holding me back, more work hours/better job, or a strengthening of the economy and I'm set.

Malika2 wrote:As if 40k has such a deep background. It's just that they have been around way longer and have been recycling a lot of stuff, oh yeah and ripping off whatever they can get their hands on. They also got a bigger writers department I guess.

That in itself isn't wrong though.

Yup. They've got a bigger writers department and they've been around a lot longer. That's why they have a deeper background that all those other games I mentioned.

I understand that it's not the FAULT of games like AT-43 and Void that they have less fluff. They've just been around a lot less time, and had a lot less books, games, computer games, magazines published.

However, I'm still not going to play the game if the fluff isn't very well developed, whatever the reason...

I did a transition to PP games a while ago, and I was lucky enough to bring a lot of the older guys from GW with me....eventually.

Now I've re-lapsed into GW, thanks to friends I have locally who play nothing but WHFB, and the nice tournament scene for WHFB in our area, but given the way the game is going now, I've basically gotten my armies "completed", with a few units left to do and I'm calling it quits on GW.

I'll have the models to play in any GW tournament I want - but screw buying new armies.

Oddly enough, with PP - I don't get nearly as competitive.

I have near zero pressure to paint for tournies, so I paint at my leisure, not with some artificial deadline to play in something.

PP games are inherently more "customizable" in terms of an army collection:

GW games and armies require far more models, and not only that, but they MUST be painted to be played at tournies. Given that the rules for different units vary wildly in terms of effectiveness, I don't want to waste money and a substantial amount of time to build/paint said unit.

For PP games, I can swap units around far more easily than I can in GW games, and as a result my army plays substantially differently with just a few tweaks.

The Warcaster/Warlock design aids this a bit, but because of the scale of the game a few unit or Beast/Jack swaps have a far more sweeping impact on my armies function.

Also while GW is technically more "customizable" in what you can give units, it's generally a farce. There are 1-3 builds for each given character type, with many just sucking no matter what you do.

Honestly, as someone who WAS apprehensive about playing other stuff - make the jump. The hardest thing is finding a pocket of a community to play your game in, but if you can find just a little spark to start in, you can build from there. It's totally worth it.

Well, going through the posts it would appear that over here in the UK we do get the chance to play more systems. It would appear that being a smaller country allows us to play niche systems, don't know how that pans out in the rest of Europe. The plan for our open day is to have each participating club run between 1 - 2 games. Even with say 6 clubs turning up, I can't see there being the need to have repeat systems on display. As I hope to get the local GW stores involved, this could mean that 40k, Warhammer & LoTR are taken care of by them.

Given what I know of the local clubs I can see the following games on display:

Urban War
Warmachine / Hordes
PBI
AK47
Rules of Engagement
Flames of War
AT43
Flintloque
Infinity
Hell Dorado
A Very British Civil War
Uncharted Seas
SoTR

To name a few )

Just out of interest... and if I ever came in to a large amount of money ) Are there any large conventions in the US that allow gamers to turn up and run demonstration games? Ideally on the East coast, as being 6' 5" tall, I don't want to be in the air that long! )