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airman wrote:Loin el johnson
he's still alive....nuff said

So are Gulliman, Russ, Jaghatai Khan, Vulkan, Fulgrim, Perturabo, Angron, Mortarion and Lorgar.

Manchu wrote:I don't understand why people like Sanguinis so much. But then again I don't understand why people like that movie (or those books) "Twilight," either. My guess is that these things are connected.

@Manchu: Before Saguinis was killed by Hours he made a small dent in The Warmaster's armor wich the emperor used to defeat Hours.

airman wrote:

Manchu wrote:I don't understand why people like Sanguinis so much. But then again I don't understand why people like that movie (or those books) "Twilight," either. My guess is that these things are connected.

@Manchu: Before Saguinis was killed by Hours he made a small dent in The Warmaster's armor wich the emperor used to defeat Hours.

Say the Blood Angels.

Great Primarch Sanguinius, Master of the Blood Angels, Favored of the Emporer, Denter of Armor.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Sanguinius#Horus_Heresy

p.s. I do not play blood angels, I play dark angels and starting to play Tzeench demons.

airman wrote:http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Sanguinius#Horus_Heresy

You do realise that all Fluff is bias depending on what viewpoint it is from? It has been stated many times there is never a 3rd Person Omnipresent "Correct" Viewpoint. EVERYTHING is coloured by who is "Writing" the facts.

Also, to have your life's achievement be "I dented some twits armour" is kind of pathetic.

Gwar! wrote:

airman wrote:http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Sanguinius#Horus_Heresy

You do realise that all Fluff is bias depending on what viewpoint it is from? It has been stated many times there is never a 3rd Person Omnipresent "Correct" Viewpoint. EVERYTHING is coloured by who is "Writing" the facts.

Also, to have your life's achievement be "I dented some twits armour" is kind of pathetic.

some other primarchs weren't present to do better ( maybe not only dent, but also scratch some paint from this armor at best )

Still, the <deleted> one has a lot of support here....

Honestly, what does it say about Sanguinius that the best that he could do was dent the armor of Horus? Compare this to Horus being afraid of Russ.


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1hadhq wrote:Still, the <deleted> one has a lot of support here....

Should that be the deleted ones?

1hadhq wrote:some other primarchs weren't present to do better

And why was that? Oh yeah, because Russ was sent half way Across the galaxy before Horus could attack Terra, and proceeds to gak himself when hearing he is days away, and so challenges The Emperor to single combat, ultimately losing the gamble.

In short: Russ is responsible for Horus Losing. Were it not for Russ, Horus would have overpowered the Emperor and Terra and blown up The Lion and The Wolf before they even reached Orbit.

Gwar! wrote:

1hadhq wrote:some other primarchs weren't present to do better

And why was that? Oh yeah, because Russ was sent half way Across the galaxy before Horus could attack Terra, and proceeds to gak himself when hearing he is days away, and so challenges The Emperor to single combat, ultimately losing the gamble.

In short: Russ is responsible for Horus Losing. Were it not for Russ, Horus would have overpowered the Emperor and Terra and blown up The Lion and The Wolf before they even reached Orbit.

It wasn't so much the imminent arrival of Russ, as having three almost full strength legions turn up! Also I doubt Russ on his own would have scared him when below him on Earth there was the Emperor, Sanguinius and Dorn (can't remember who else, but I think my point is made)

Horus' armies couldn't even shift Sanguinius out of the Eternity Gate; I mean cummon, just one (albeit strong) bloke! Just imagine how much trouble they would have if three more Primarchs and their Legions turned up! Of course Horus panicked when he heard the Space Wolves, Ultra Marines and Dark Angels were on their way!

Grim.Badger wrote:It wasn't so much the imminent arrival of Russ, as having three almost full strength legions turn up when his armies couldn't even shift Sanguinius out of the Eternity Gate; I mean cummon, just one (albeit strong) bloke!

no, Horus definately killed Sanguinius.

Gwar! wrote:

1hadhq wrote:some other primarchs weren't present to do better

And why was that? Oh yeah, because Russ was sent half way Across the galaxy before Horus could attack Terra, and proceeds to gak himself when hearing he is days away, and so challenges The Emperor to single combat, ultimately losing the gamble.

In short: Russ is responsible for Horus Losing. Were it not for Russ, Horus would have overpowered the Emperor and Terra and blown up The Lion and The Wolf before they even reached Orbit.

Why should horus, this overconfident fool think for himself instead of believing the lies of chaos?
Did those "visions" include horus getting punished by russ? No? Why should "the warmaster" fear russ?

Even without russ, this "warmaster" would have lost.
Any so-called tactician, that needs 7 legions to win against 3 legions isn't such a challenge.
Same at the palace. Only 3 legions to defend, but horus can't afford to fight against 2 additional legions.


Now, its a "favourite primarch poll" and those without any fluff can keep up with russ.
So those nameless ones are super-awesome and outshine russ if we would know them.

1hadhq wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

1hadhq wrote:some other primarchs weren't present to do better

And why was that? Oh yeah, because Russ was sent half way Across the galaxy before Horus could attack Terra, and proceeds to gak himself when hearing he is days away, and so challenges The Emperor to single combat, ultimately losing the gamble.

In short: Russ is responsible for Horus Losing. Were it not for Russ, Horus would have overpowered the Emperor and Terra and blown up The Lion and The Wolf before they even reached Orbit.

Why should horus, this overconfident fool think for himself instead of believing the lies of chaos?
Did those "visions" include horus getting punished by russ? No? Why should "the warmaster" fear russ?

Even without russ, this "warmaster" would have lost.
Any so-called tactician, that needs 7 legions to win against 3 legions isn't such a challenge.
Same at the palace. Only 3 legions to defend, but horus can't afford to fight against 2 additional legions.


Now, its a "favourite primarch poll" and those without any fluff can keep up with russ.
So those nameless ones are super-awesome and outshine russ if we would know them.

I am very confused by your statements. Horus did believe the lies of chaos, and they were lies, they told him he should/would be Emprah. So Horus told Russ to go elsewhere (because he did not want to fight Russ, he was scared) then he attacked Terra. Tell me who this "Any so-called tactician" is? Sun-Tzu wrote in his book, The Art of War that in order to successfully attack an enemy in his own fortress you need at LEAST twice the force that your opponent has. Also, your generalization of Legions as a description of fighting strength is flawed in that the Legions were not held at a constant size.

It is a favorite primarch poll, and so far the Sons of Russ have shown the most interest, given the most votes, and given the most information. so i think you need to change your sentence here to "and those without any fluff can't keep up with Russ."

and in regards to your last sentence... What?

Gwar! wrote:

airman wrote:http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Sanguinius#Horus_Heresy

You do realise that all Fluff is bias depending on what viewpoint it is from? It has been stated many times there is never a 3rd Person Omnipresent "Correct" Viewpoint. EVERYTHING is coloured by who is "Writing" the facts.

Did you even read it

airman wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

airman wrote:http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Sanguinius#Horus_Heresy

You do realise that all Fluff is bias depending on what viewpoint it is from? It has been stated many times there is never a 3rd Person Omnipresent "Correct" Viewpoint. EVERYTHING is coloured by who is "Writing" the facts.

Did you even read it

Yeah, I did:

"Some say, however, that it was through this chink in Horus's armour that the Emperor was able to deliver the fatal blow. Thus the belief is that Sanguinius did not die in vain, but dying, allowed Horus to be slain and the Heresy destroyed."
"Because he is generally believed to have sacrificed himself to allow Horus, the "Great Betrayer", to be defeated"

Neither of those statements prove anything. All it shows is that he has a Cult of Personality.

um, Gwar? Were in the world do you believe that Russ was scaring the £"$% out of Horus?

It was the combined strength of the Spaz Puppy, Dark Angel and Ultramarinz legion that scared Horus, not one angry little dude.

Also, when it comes to bias, who do you think to be less reliable? Blood Angels who keep relatively stringent records? Or the Spaz Puppies who bawl out the exxagerated versions of their primarchs history or a few beers?

The Puppies are famous for exagerrating.

Emperors Faithful wrote:
Also, when it comes to bias, who do you think to be less reliable? Blood Angels who keep relatively stringent records? Or the Spaz Puppies who bawl out the exxagerated versions of their primarchs history or a few beers?

The Puppies are famous for exagerrating.

The Puppies also have at least one person who was alive at the time of the heresy, and he awakens to test the knowledge of the Wolf Priests to ensure that the records are kept accurate.

Bjorn the Fell Handed.

And where did you get this fluff that the Space Wolves are famous for hyperbole? I have not read that anywhere.

Demogerg wrote:
It is a favorite primarch poll, and so far the Sons of Russ have shown the most interest, given the most votes, and given the most information. so i think you need to change your sentence here to "and those without any fluff can't keep up with Russ."

and in regards to your last sentence... What?

Why should i change a sentence, when its ( actually right now ) 14 votes to russ and 13 votes to those without a name?

If this poll would include some letters at its last option, i would use these and not " nameless" or <deleted>.

The fact stands, with ( moar russ ) in its header and "russ" as first option here ( to catch those too lazy to scroll ), chances to win "dakkas favourite primarch" title may be not as high as expected?

Looking at the nearly non-existant votes on traitors, this has either turned into a SW-only thread or chaos isn't scared about russ but
the SW fans.

We'll see how this turn out.
My bet is 2nd place for russ.

Bjorn the Fell-Handed takes naps after battle. NAPS! Who else does that?

Emperors Faithful wrote:Bjorn the Fell-Handed takes naps after battle. NAPS! Who else does that?

Who else is 10,000 years old outside of the Warp?

Compare keeping records to shouting out verbally the legends of your primarch. Which is gonna be more accurate?

Spaz Wolz are actually a lot like catachan. (who are also famous for hyperbole)


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@Gwar: THE EMPRAH!!!!

The reason for the title is because russ was at 50% of the votes in the first iteration of this thread, but then his votes magically disapeared.

Also, 1hadhq the reason why I asked you to retype your sentence is becuase i did not understand it, I now understand that you are refering to the option <deleted from imperial records> which looks like it became bugged and is now blank.

another way to look at it is this

Russ has the most votes, and <deleted from imperial records> has more votes than Sanguinius.

...But if SANE peoplev were voting then it would Sanguinis on top, then <deleted from Imperial Records> and MAYBE Russ would scrape into 3rd.

Russ for the Win!

Emperors Faithful wrote:...But if SANE peoplev were voting then it would Sanguinis on top, then <deleted from Imperial Records> and MAYBE Russ would scrape into 3rd.

Nah, most people dont go for emo.

alcoholic space viking is where its at.

lol
Obviously, the amount of sane people in this forum are lacking.

I would have voted for th eLion given that I am a long time DA player, but after reading this last book "Fallen Angels" and seeing how easily he is played by anybody with two brain cells to rub together I couldn't do it. He's a tactical genius, but a complete idiot when dealing with people.

Then I thought Sanguinis, dude took out ten greater demons of Khorn without breaking a sweat and only got beat down by the same guy who dropped the Emperor. Then I saw Manchu's post and I just couldn't do it.

I have to go with Russ. His personality carries him through his less than intelligent decisions. I enjoyed the SW books and the Norse theme of the chapter appeals to me.

Tyras wrote:I would have voted for th eLion given that I am a long time DA player, but after reading this last book "Fallen Angels" and seeing how easily he is played by anybody with two brain cells to rub together I couldn't do it. He's a tactical genius, but a complete idiot when dealing with people.

Then I thought Sanguinis, dude took out ten greater demons of Khorn without breaking a sweat and only got beat down by the same guy who dropped the Emperor. Then I saw Manchu's post and I just couldn't do it.

I have to go with Russ. His personality carries him through his less than intelligent decisions. I enjoyed the SW books and the Norse theme of the chapter appeals to me.

Russ: So awesome even Dark Angels vote for him!

Three cheers and a mug of ale for Tyras!