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Read up on some fluff my friend.

Uh that is what I did my friend. That is why I started this thread. Because I read some fluff and I wanted to ask the fair people of dakka.

The Grey Knights were founded by the loyalist remnants of the Death Guard.

In regards to Legio II and XI: anything could've happened to them, but it is certain that they are no more. In all likeliness something happened to their Primarchs during their time alone in the tube and on whatever planet they landed. It could be the taint of chaos, as there are plenty of instances where chaos has bled through or permeated a world. Such as Caliban.

One of the theories is that one of them was a stillbirth in the tube. I believe when Chaos is trying to bring Horus to chaos, he is given a vision/sent through time or something and he hits the tube one of them is in, saying something along the lines of "What a waste." The tube cracks when he hits it.

So much speculation.....

Reading that paragraph, I assumed it was his own tube he cracked. It was written with such vagueness that it was difficult to decipher whether this was some sort of time travel (given the fight with the Custodes) or just part of the Chaos-induced vision.

AHHHH!!!! MORE TIME TRAVEL MAJIG AND CRAP LIKE THAT!!!!!!!

Right, its a very vague entry. But still, it COULD mean something. But then again, it probably doesn't..

Its definatly not Balacore and Sigmar because not the same universe anymore it wasn't just you know a warp storm like before that can't be them its impossible. *Sarcasim*

The chaos gods brought horus back in time and showed him the incubators and then the warp storm happened and the emporer was there, oh and this happened "He stopped by the tank with XI upon it, he placed his hand upon the smooth steel feeling the untapped glories that might have lain ahead for grew within, knowing that it will never come to pass"

So the 15s was obviously never discovered or dead, or flew into the eye of terror and was lost.

Ok.This starting to make some sorta sense.

RxGhost wrote:I think one of the missing Primarchs is Sigmar...the other is Nagash.

Skimming through the post when I saw this. I could not allow this to go by unpunished.
Sigmar = YES!!!
Nagash = NO FETHING WAY!!! HERESY!!!

Yes! I agree with Emperors Faithful. That is blasphomy!BURN THE HERETIC!!!!!!!!!!!

Mabye the Emprah tasked one (or both) with a secret missions even the other primarchs were not aware of. Perhaps it was a totally suicide mission (hence "they are lost to us" by High Imperial)

That post has made the most sense since I started this post. That means they were sort of in like a witness protection progam, like when some one could get killed the government erases all form of info about that person.

My post? (look hopeful)
Or perhaps they had failed the Emprah and he saw this as punishment.
Perhaps there was a threat so great that it took two whole legions to take it down. (early nids or necrons or something similar)
Perhaps they went rouge like Farsight and either carved out thier own empires willingly or were cut off from the Imperium by warp storms and such.
Or mabye they REALLY got owned on Istaan V.

Yes I was talking about your post.I am thinking that the first,second and last one are the most likely.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Or perhaps they had failed the Emprah and he saw this as punishment.

Very likely.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Perhaps there was a threat so great that it took two whole legions to take it down. (early nids or necrons or something similar)

Could be but there's no fluff to support it.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Perhaps they went rouge like Farsight and either carved out thier own empires willingly or were cut off from the Imperium by warp storms and such.

Possible extrapolation of your first suggestion.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Or mabye they REALLY got owned on Istaan V.

Simply wrong.

As in SO owned, SO ass kicked, that nobody even REMEMBERS thems. (p.s. sarcasm test manchu, you failed)

Actually the last reason is starting to seem unlikley. The primarchs were the best. And the books mention no unique characters who owned like 100 space marines.

As in the Istaan V scenario? That = joke deadratman.

Sorry.

Emperors Faithful wrote:As in the Istaan V scenario? That = joke deadratman.

Sarcasm or heresy, EF? Sometimes it's hard to tell. You may eventually have to burn yourself, lol.

Way ahead of ya.

LOL!!!!!!

Ok lets gather fluff info, we know that 2 primarch are missing, horus went back in time and its possible that one of them 15 never survived.

Factor

Two primarchs were deleted from imperial records.

There were twenty legions when Horus turned, during the Great Crusade.

Possible

That the Legions were banished for some unspeakable crimes.

That one Primarch was never found.

They were mutanted/deformed and locked up somewhere for it, possible as mutants were to be purged, and the space emporeh wouldnt want people's to know.

They were taken down in some pre-heresy early nid battle.

Sent on some secret mission that would result in there death and noone as to know.

Is this all we got people's, looks like all were ever gonna get though.


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Ok lets gather fluff info, we know that 2 primarch are missing, horus went back in time and its possible that one of them 15 never survived.

Factor

Two primarchs were deleted from imperial records.

There were twenty legions when Horus turned, during the Great Crusade.

Possible

That the Legions were banished for some unspeakable crimes.

That one Primarch was never found.

They were mutanted/deformed and locked up somewhere for it, possible as mutants were to be purged, and the space emporeh wouldnt want people's to know.

They were taken down in some pre-heresy early nid battle.

Sent on some secret mission that would result in there death and noone as to know.

Is this all we got people's, looks like all were ever gonna get though.

One, mabye BOTH were never found.
I love the idea that Sigmar was a primarch. (Twin-Tailed Comet = Baby pod/capsule)

If the primarchs had never been found then their legions would have remained under the aegis of the Imperial authorities and would not have been lost. The only way for those two legions to have been lost is if their primarchs had led them to some fate outside the wishes of the emperor. Ergo, the primarchs were found and were able to screw up their respective legions.

Ah! Logic!

I hope someone hasnt made this joke yet.
Sly marbo IS the 2 missing legions.

Emperors Faithful wrote:One, mabye BOTH were never found.
I love the idea that Sigmar was a primarch. (Twin-Tailed Comet = Baby pod/capsule)

The TIME OF LEGENDS novels about Sigmar are quite specific that he was born from a woman (his mother to be precise), not a comet. Plus he didn't grow up at an accelerated rate, nor does he have a longer lifespan than the average man.